Spin: Why doesn't society ask young men why they've checked out?

[AnotherRoute]

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/tomi-lahren-says-what-happened-to-young-men-they-are-lazy-and-dont-want-to-have-families-the-want-to-order-door-dash-from-their-mom-basement.1085778/

I feel like the right and left have all of these think pieces on why young men do what they do but no one ever asks young men why. It's like being examined under a microscope at times.
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What's the deal with this?

Because if they ask why. The next step would be doing something about it and in today’s world of engagement doing something takes away from the think pieces.

 

[Ozymandeas]

I don’t know but I will say I was surprised that the Red Pill culture spilled over into politics. It makes sense in hindsight. You have millions of angry, disillusioned dudes out there. I’m just saying if you told me during the Obama years (let’s say 2012) that we were headed towards a large percentage of young men voting Republican, I would’ve doubted it.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Tough love and religion won't work

I mean you can keep trying but the age of the Internet has made all men a lot more aware of the bullshyt.

It ain't ALL Russian propaganda

Some of it is very real and very legit

 

[The Guru]

Negativity bias i very human. They are inundated with negativity, pessimism like no generation before them. They don't believe in either the purpose or success of marriage, having children, building themselves up. If you think there is no station, no role or place out there, you'll give up before you try. If you feel there is no justification for your efforts and suffering you check out.

 

[maxamusa]

Someone made a thread on here asking for the opinions of young men


The thread was full of 40 yr old married men calling kids cowards for not cold approaching in public, great advice in 2002, not so much now


No one wanted to hear their opinions


They just gonna be told they hate women. Any critique of women in any way seems to bring that trope up

The majority of the coli is middle aged kidless men apparently. You think they actually have any insight of what is going on IRL with young men in America

 

[Coco Loco]

Lack of real motivation and goals is crazy. Grown men with no direction and just accepting it. No college, no trade, no military. Literally sit around all day in their parent’s house on the internet or playing video games. Reason why Trump and his dumbass fan base is gaining in this demo. They are literal bums and too stupid to realize it because they’re not educated. So they just blame others for circumstances. They’re addicted to porn/social media and aren’t capable of holding real conversations or getting play from women and barely trying. They pay money to watch other people have fun online. Every other awkward person is being labeled with ADHD or on the spectrum

Which creates a cycle of no accountability, which breeds contempt and resentment

The crazy thing about this is black men can create opportunities for each other to prosper. But a lot of us want to be our own boss. All these Coli 6 figure six cert nikkaz up in here and they ain’t working together in investing or starting up they own retirement homes or funeral homes together.

I've said this many times. Men can create opportunities for boys/men. Either they don't or they do but the boys/men don't want to put in the hard work like the boys/men before them

You not being too tough, they just a bunch of mama's boys who been coddled they whole life. I was raised by men, men who were in the military and were in the trades(my dad was a lineman before he became a network engineer, my grandad and uncle were plumbers and HVAC techs(shoutout @cheek100 I know how hard those two masters licenses you got are cause my kinfolk did it.) my other uncle an electrician. Real men who did men's work and did man shyt. Call it toxic all you want but it's the truth, these new dudes not raised that way. Even in my house growing up I had 3 older brothers, no sisters. House full of testosterone. No excuses, either you succeed or you don't cause nobody cares about the excuses. If you get hit, fight back better not run to mama or you gonna get beat harder later. I don't feel sorry for these new dudes complaining about not being able to find work when construction sites, trucking companies, etc etc are all vastly understaffed and desperate for help. I hear all the time from UNEMPLOYED YOUNG MEN 'I don't want to do that.' And it honestly DISGUSTS me. What's a better option, being unemployed at your parents house? Men do WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. Only a woman or children talk about what they want to do, as a man you don't have that option. Get your ass up and get it, I'm tired of seeing women outhustling these young men out here, it's fukking pitiful.

There are two types of men. Men who know no one's coming to save them, and men who think someone is supposed to save them. The latter will spend an eternity waiting instead of going out and getting it no matter what

I have too many male cousins who thought jail and bsing around was fun or didn't want to be a square by getting a real job. Now they're in their mid 30's or late 40's, didn't graduate high school or barely graduated, and no real work history or a pot to piss in. Once their mamas, grandmamas, or a woman who's letting them stay with them die or break up with them, they are cooked!!!

 

[FTBS]

Tough love and religion won't work

I mean you can keep trying but the age of the Internet has made all men a lot more aware of the bullshyt.

It ain't ALL Russian propaganda

Some of it is very real and very legit

You cant do tough love without the love, attention, validation, consideration, respect all in addition to the tough part. You cant do religion when you are living contrary to the very principles you claim to espouse.

A lot of folks mistake abuse and bullying for tough love and tradition and blindly following people for faith.

 

[gtj1982]

No one ever asks the right question. Every demographic is feeling slighted but don't want the ask the obvious question. "Why are we clinging to capitalism?"

It's what creates the conditions for all this malaise across demographics.

 

[the cac mamba]

No one ever asks the right question. Every demographic is feeling slighted but don't want the ask the obvious question. "Why are we clinging to capitalism?"

what should we replace it with?

 

[Boxchevy]

Because feminist framing rules academia, politics, and media; and for all feminist lip service around the patriarchy harming men/women's role in enforcing it as well, it isn't something that manifests in dialogue.

Men get knocked over the head with a bat that says bootstraps.

I got this reply the other day, on another site around that accountability conversation.

This is the logic we're dealing.

"Black women are not the ones recruiting your black boys into the streets and into gangs. Black women are not the pioneers of gangster wrap glorifying killing black men and boys, and making fast money in the streets. Black women aren’t over represented in the prison system, and they aren’t the ones whose college enrollment numbers keep declining. Black men don’t get to be absent from the home and then complain about how the children are turning out. Black girls and boys are growing up in the same environments, but black girls are doing better on most metrics. At what point do black men start taking accountability for their own actions?"

She had a good response..

 

[Cloutius Maximus]

The majority of the coli is middle aged kidless men apparently. You think they actually have any insight of what is going on IRL with young men in America

Uh, yes. Some of us millennials dealt with the exact same shyt Gen Z men are dealing with, it just wasn't as widespread yet. We supposed to be black men too, this stuff only gets discussed when it affects the mainstream (i.e. whites). If we made it through the bullshyt we are in a position to steer the young men in the right direction or at least show them what the future holds if they don't get right.

 

[Neuromancer]

Someone made a thread on here asking for the opinions of young men

It was me.

 

[ajnapoleon]

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/tomi-lahren-says-what-happened-to-young-men-they-are-lazy-and-dont-want-to-have-families-the-want-to-order-door-dash-from-their-mom-basement.1085778/

I feel like the right and left have all of these think pieces on why young men do what they do but no one ever asks young men why. It's like being examined under a microscope at times.

What's the deal with this?

They won’t like the answers


They will say it’s woman bashing

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/tomi-lahren-says-what-happened-to-young-men-they-are-lazy-and-dont-want-to-have-families-the-want-to-order-door-dash-from-their-mom-basement.1085778/

I feel like the right and left have all of these think pieces on why young men do what they do but no one ever asks young men why. It's like being examined under a microscope at times.

What's the deal with this?

I work with a lot of young men and their ability to adequately express themselves is very much lacking.

You have to speak to them a VERY specific way or they'll shut down.

I usually have to ask them something like "What do you think is the best way to solve this problem?" Or.."If you were in _____ position how would you like me to handle it?"

Otherwise it's a crash and burn. There is such a huge gap between how younger people communicate and older people communicate I honestly don't think most older people know how to communicate with them effectively.

I had to learn myself after I got cussed out 100 times.



Haven't had a single one crash out on me in almost a year. I'm doing good.

 

[SpikeLee Cumbersmith]

You checking out is a you thing. If you can't get your life together fux you. Participation trophies mf!
Just be out of the house when I come by to put your mom or grandma in the small package position. Useless Fuxs!