Spin: Why doesn't society ask young men why they've checked out?

[TM101]

Tough love and religion won't work

I mean you can keep trying but the age of the Internet has made all men a lot more aware of the bullshyt.

It ain't ALL Russian propaganda

Some of it is very real and very legit

Ironically the internet has made gainful employment and dating a lot more competitive as well.

 

[Eternally Jaded]

I'd legit say it's the decline of the church that parallels a lot of the decline in the black American community.

The church was a where you got structure and more importantly you SAW structure.

Kids raised by single parents would become friends with kids from two parent homes, you saw families worshipping together, you saw a model of togetherness that many didn't see at home.

A young couple(both 22ish) from my church announced their engagement two days ago, she's not pregnant, he's not shipping out, they just were raised around healthy models of love and family and decided they wanted that for themselves and most importantly with each other.

Watch naysayers come in and pewpew my words but I hold to it.

No the church isn't the be all end all for society but it gives and shows a blueprint of what should be.

All the younger men I knew as either babies or very young kids when I was a teen got married in their mid to early 20s, everyone in my generation (millenials) are single n deadset on mingling.

Biggest commonality? Faith is a bedrock of their lives.

 

[boogers]

Women not being submissive

because a lot of dudes on here have some unresolved oedipus shyt going on. i cant be with someone i dont respect, and i dont respect someone whos gonna wait on me hand and foot. your girl is not an extension of yourself or an accessory. same dudes demanding this have zero respect for women, yet expect to be pampered like a king? gimme a fukkin break. enjoy your hand

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Have you ever considered where you would be or how you would be if you didnt have that?

You are right. Men do what they have to do. So if they aint doing it, obviously they dont have to. Thats the issue. Manhood aint fun. Pretty sure your peoples had you doing shyt you didnt like and didnt want to do. I know my pops did. Every real man did. Because aint nobody bout to choose that shyt. Men do what they gotta do and what they are taught to do. So if there is no necessity to do it and they arent being taught they aint doin it.

Best believe if a man is allowed to be lazy and weak he will be. There is a reason you dont put animals raised in captivity in the wild. They have not developed the skills needed to survive like that.

This is the stuff people dont think about when the talk that GMB, red pill stuff. If you dont have a man in the house teaching these young men and refusing to allow them to be bytch ass nikkas then that is exactly what they will be. What happens to society when you have a bunch of bytch ass nikkas? Go outside and take a look around.

Real talk, nobody really cares what anybody went through in the past like that or what you been through. I can empathize, but I won't sympathize for anything. We all been through rough shyt in our lives. I had cancer at 17, got put on probation at 18, was sleeping in my car at 19. I did what I had to do regardless of the situation. These youngsters need to learn that, as a man NO ONE CARES GET OUT AND GET IT.

 

[FTBS]

Real talk, nobody really cares what anybody went through in the past like that or what you been through. I can empathize, but I won't sympathize for anything. We all been through rough shyt in our lives. I had cancer at 17, got put on probation at 18, was sleeping in my car at 19. I did what I had to do regardless of the situation. These youngsters need to learn that, as a man NO ONE CARES GET OUT AND GET IT.

And if no one teaches them? And worse yet if someone enables them? Then what...they just magically gonna learn outta nowhere?

It aint about sympathy, its about reality. If you dont have the knowledge, training, or the skills, you can't use them. You wouldnt expect a boxer with zero training to step into a ring and just figure it out against an experienced fighter. We all need to be taught and shown the way.

 

[Ohene]

they don't really give a fukk

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Our Internet obsession mixed with an evergrowing wealth disparity - there's no shortage of people helping you deflect blame and deny the undeniable

A lot of shyt would be fixed if we all collectively logged off and put the phones down.

We don't seem capable of this, and we're very much being discouraged from even considering that option

 

[SNG]

Our Internet obsession mixed with an evergrowing wealth disparity - there's no shortage of people helping you deflect blame and deny the undeniable

A lot of shyt would be fixed if we all collectively logged off and put the phones down.

We don't seem capable of this, and we're very much being discouraged from even considering that option

Because people love to be heared on the internet. Because they are reaching out to someone who will listen to they problems or help them feel valid in they real life of misery. It’s that false dopamine hit that you get.

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Because people love to be heared on the internet. Because they are reaching out to someone who will listen to they problems or help them feel valid in they real life of misery. It’s that false dopamine hit that you get.

I agree, but we have zero media literacy and might as well actually be illiterate at this rate. Get your dopamine the other ways, how we did when things were better

It's a cycle and it breaks when we all log off

Social media and platforms driven by algorithms specifically

 

[Amo Husserl]

Society ain't gone ask shyt 'cause society can't ask the question by its definition.
The think pieces pacify enough people to think lip service enough. Nobody wanna put in work anymore.
The masses too comfortable, too many people burnt out on their daily to work together and get anything done.
Too many people lookin' for the better deal and can be easily bought off... what do you expect?

 

[SNG]

I agree, but we have zero media literacy and might as well actually be illiterate at this rate.

It's a cycle and it breaks when we all log off

Agreed like I said before there’s all these free books online nikkaz basically have a free worldwide digital library but would rather be consumed with listening to black women talk shyt about black men all day to validate in they mind and to others why they ain’t shyt.

 

[RaspberryFitted]

Uh, yes. Some of us millennials dealt with the exact same shyt Gen Z men are dealing with, it just wasn't as widespread yet. We supposed to be black men too, this stuff only gets discussed when it affects the mainstream (i.e. whites). If we made it through the bullshyt we are in a position to steer the young men in the right direction or at least show them what the future holds if they don't get right.

Millennials had 24/7 access to the Internet from the time they were elementary schoolers?

 

[Mrhateeverything]

shyt is harder today …..internet and modern luxuries or not so they checkout . It’s not a mystery why this gen gets so discouraged . They cant afford a place to live how the hell they going to afford a family and kids
A reason hella people not having kids today

Housing unaffordable , living is ridiculous high priced .
My pops got a house when he was younger making barely over minimum wage and with a second grade education like 45 years ago

He wouldn’t have been able to do that today.


Also every gen always complains about the next ones up being lazy and not wanting to work and of course like clock work we have some people in here saying the same old kids are lazy shyt .

I know this is talking about getting married and having kids but this plays a part

'Nobody Wants to Work Anymore' Meme Cites Real Newspaper Articles

Clippings from 14 articles published between 1894 and 2022 all appeared in newspaper archives.

www.snopes.com

 

[Gloxina]

It’s been cooked since the nuclear family was broken in our community. When you have kids having them raised under a two parent home is vital. All this gender wars shyt is chickens coming home to roost in our community. Let the social media, porn and videgames take over pacifying nikkaz from the real shyt and you see how easy it is to checkout when you have dopamine in the palm of yours hands when before you had to work for it. This society wants men pacified so it’s easier to control them.

I agree with this. Social media has done great harm to young men and young women in different ways.

 

[Piffery]

She had a good response..

*He

And no, he didn't.

Black boys and black girls aren't living in the same material reality and black girls don't have the likes of Kimberle Crenshaw twisting the stats to paint black girls as vulnerable in public education as black boys are the over-policing and educational neglect.

https://x.com/DrTJC/status/1845750338298474770?t=0kAKzFjcFodY9FC7Pe6OxA&s=19

(The second tweet gets into Crenshaw and the subject of the following sentences)

Black women aren't told out of one side of their mouths to "start their own programs for women," whilst out the other black feminists have gone out of their way to obstruct the likes of Barack Obama, for daring to try and assist boys of color directly- because "we're dealing with the same things," until it's time to explain all of the ways in which black boys are allegedly coddled and black men are overly centered.

Opinion | The Girls Obama Forgot (Published 2014)

The president's initiative for black boys is premised on a mistaken notion.

www.nytimes.com

https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/my-brother-s-keeper-initiative-faces-calls-for-inclusion-of-girls

Also as detailed here by Richard Reeves; a male advocate hailing from the Brookings Institute, recent Melinda Gates Grant recipient, and author placed on Obama's most recent reading list, in this clip:

https://x.com/Gentlemen_Alive/status/1814290581998240248?t=ZeKEw8z2N02f_YaLaXIJSQ&s=19

People like the person who replied to me have one perspective and that's of the black community as overwhelmingly/oppressively patriarchal and that dictating all analysis that follows, which is just a limiting premise.

It is not a good response to just start spewing Reaganism's at people.

Everyone should be "accountable," but I reject the simplistic "either or's" his post presented.

Some black women do contribute towards everything stated in that post, most don't but some do, and that's the case for black men as well; black women have pushed their sons to "provide" through illegal means.

They also do crime themselves, my mother was dealing drugs, my older sister was gangbanging; I was doing neither.

Women's physical violence is overlooked and woman's weapons are their words; meaning they'll commission violence out/create situations that lead to crime, or directly facilitate crime, and not get time all the same.

Black women as the main physical abusers of black boys/disciplinarians of black boys do teach black boys violence and do push them way and into untoward places from trauma and rejection.

There is no group of women as represented in the prison as their male counterparts, so what even is that point? It just circles back to my point around schooling.

I have a long history of telling black men to do better, especially on this site (on this account and my other account of the same username, with a letter off, that I can't recall why I had to switch away from?) and for those takes (or maybe just bad posting) I was negged into oblivion.

I like accountability.

I don't believe the dominant feminist thought in academia/movement amongst politically minded black women takes account for their actions, and as those who know numbers don't tell the full story; they should be just as critical of established narratives and assumptions as they encourage black men to be.

But they aren't.

Edit:

Black men and women need to work together, which would take black feminists/those on the left acknowledging that we have different hurdles and that assistance is provided to black women in some areas that isn't otherwise.

Unheard Voices: The Importance of Intersectionality in Responsiveness and the Systematic Ignoring of Black Men by Elected Officials - Political Behavior

All citizens are not listened to equally, despite the importance of responsiveness and listening to different theories of democracy. We take an ‌intersectional‌ ‌approach‌ ‌to‌ make several novel predictions about how citizens’ identities, the topic of constituent messages, and the identities of...

link.springer.com

"Based on existing studies and theories about intersectionality, we examine elected officials’ responsiveness and propose that the combination of the identity of the constituent, the identity of the elected official, and the substance of the constituents’ requests strongly influences responsiveness. Using a large-scale (N = 23,738) audit study of state, county, and local elected officials, we collect data on elected officials’ responsiveness to constituent requests along two behavioral measures - if officials open and reply to constituents’ emails.

We confirm many of the same basic inequalities in responsiveness along the lines of race and gender that have been observed by others, and going beyond existing studies, we find that Black men are systematically ignored by elected officials– even more than Black or White women. This happens irrespective of the kinds of messages that Black men send to elected officials. This emphasizes the importance of constituents’ identities when understanding responsiveness from elected officials."

Corporate American outreach to black women that didn't exist in the inverse; this is alongside things like black girls code, black girls rock, etc; we get things like "black boy joy," forced memes that won't resonate with the majority of the demographic that needs to be reached.

https://www.jpmorganchase.com/newsroom/press-releases/2022/jpmc-commits-30m-to-help-close-wealth-gaps-for-black-and