Spoken Reasons Talks How Hollywood Used Him And Breaks Down The Youtube Game As One Of It's First

[Mr. McDowell]

I watched the whole video about a week ago, and I agree with you.

Sucks to say, but he was on the right track when he linked with CAA (or whatever agency it was). Where he messed up (and this is paraphrasing his own words) was when he wanted to go with the folks instead of white people.

Both Russ & CAA can be classified as "the machine", but one of those machines is built for the business he was/wanted to be in, and the other made his name/money/bones in another business.

This isn't a "white is right" post, but sometimes you have to go where you're uncomfortable to get things done right than go where you're comfortable and have things done wrong. In this case, based on what he said himself, things were going well with CAA.

That doesn't always mean 'white', but in this case, even the way he broke it down, he shoulda leaned heavier towards his agency than Russ/ADD. They were sending him real scripts, getting him to tape and go on auditions etc. I'm sure 2-3 years ago they had a digital arm or at least an agent or 2 on staff who could link him directly with YouTube.

I hope the breh bounces back, because I actually do think he's talented and he has a "voice". He just needs to get his head on straight, assess what went wrong and what went right and start trying to rebuild the bridge on the pathway to the things that went right instead of focusing on those who wronged him.

Easier said than done, but doing is way better than saying.

Agency was UTA. But other than that, post was spot on. It's tough being a social media star. The audiences don't overlap as much as people think they do. When you do something in one lane, it's really hard to break out in another one. Tyler Perry is incredibly successful, yet anytime he tries to do something outside of his wheelhouse, his audience shuns it.

 

[Arris]

I honestly think same thing that happened to him is currently happening to those Dormtainment brothas.

They started around the same time, 2008-09, constantly cranking out videos and building a base. They were both passed by the Vine generation of stars (King Bach, DC Young Fly... etc etc), but still managed to work a deal with All Def Digital. Moved out to L.A., then bam... they go radio silent.

I believe DT is signed with Kevin Hart's company now, and they still do weekly podcasts but their videos came to an absolute halt.

I actually think they just comfortably faded to the background. I think they mainly write now, but I have seen them in some videos the past year.

 

[Easy-E]

Saw this last week.

It's a damn good video.

"Black Hollywood"is a farce and "getting famous" is as stupid a pursuit as has ever been.

Make your art. But, your not making much money.

 

[Easy-E]

aye man this is a 1 hour and 33 minute video...


TIME STAMP THIS SHYT MANE

It's a lot of fat just watch after the 30 minutes mark and for the next 30 mins

Highlight: Russell Simmons didn'tpay him

Got so bad he lived in his car WITH A KID

He went to crowd funds movie and Russell donated 30kto get a producer credit AND STILL DIDNT PAY HIM

He out signed to ADD because he ran outta money and they kept closing on him because he was their only "star"

He wasn't even able to write any of the stuff he petformedt

 

[Easy-E]

I don't think so but what did happen was when he signed with Russell he got his adsense put back on the videos on his channel so he could eat again. Before he signed with Russell they got removed and he made it seem like signing with Russell was the only way he could get the ad money from his own youtube channel back.

Youth e is becoming a hard place to make money if you are independent

I believe they wanna be able to pass any copyright suits or bad publicity to the "handles" of the talent

There wasn't even a number for to talk to anyone

 

[cjlaw93]

Ran and got a white manager off top he went on a c00n tangent at the end saying some Umar/ Jay Morrison shyt..shyttin on Blacks but askin for our money

 

[dynamik]

Years ago when I did stand-up back in 2011 or 2012, I did a show with him. Real cool and humble dude.

 

[Guvnor]

I watched the whole video about a week ago, and I agree with you.

Sucks to say, but he was on the right track when he linked with CAA (or whatever agency it was). Where he messed up (and this is paraphrasing his own words) was when he wanted to go with the folks instead of white people.

Both Russ & CAA can be classified as "the machine", but one of those machines is built for the business he was/wanted to be in, and the other made his name/money/bones in another business.

This isn't a "white is right" post, but sometimes you have to go where you're uncomfortable to get things done right than go where you're comfortable and have things done wrong. In this case, based on what he said himself, things were going well with CAA.

That doesn't always mean 'white', but in this case, even the way he broke it down, he shoulda leaned heavier towards his agency than Russ/ADD. They were sending him real scripts, getting him to tape and go on auditions etc. I'm sure 2-3 years ago they had a digital arm or at least an agent or 2 on staff who could link him directly with YouTube.

I hope the breh bounces back, because I actually do think he's talented and he has a "voice". He just needs to get his head on straight, assess what went wrong and what went right and start trying to rebuild the bridge on the pathway to the things that went right instead of focusing on those who wronged him.

Easier said than done, but doing is way better than saying.

So in other words he should have sold out to cash in and not had fukked with Russell?

It's crazy cause as successful as Russell can make you he is known for giving bad deals. Even with Def Comedy Jam he gave bad deals and I think he owned the Intelectual Property of those performances too.

 

[Easy-E]

I honestly think same thing that happened to him is currently happening to those Dormtainment brothas.

They started around the same time, 2008-09, constantly cranking out videos and building a base. They were both passed by the Vine generation of stars (King Bach, DC Young Fly... etc etc), but still managed to work a deal with All Def Digital. Moved out to L.A., then bam... they go radio silent.

I believe DT is signed with Kevin Hart's company now, and they still do weekly podcasts but their videos came to an absolute halt.

They legit putting their eggs in the "group" basket

It's five of them and they all tryna make it at the same time. And they stopped the thing that made them hot..making YouTube skits.

Scarf because that lining moving

He wore it again in a new video and was wondering why

I watched the whole video about a week ago, and I agree with you.

Sucks to say, but he was on the right track when he linked with CAA (or whatever agency it was). Where he messed up (and this is paraphrasing his own words) was when he wanted to go with the folks instead of white people.

Both Russ & CAA can be classified as "the machine", but one of those machines is built for the business he was/wanted to be in, and the other made his name/money/bones in another business.

This isn't a "white is right" post, but sometimes you have to go where you're uncomfortable to get things done right than go where you're comfortable and have things done wrong. In this case, based on what he said himself, things were going well with CAA.

That doesn't always mean 'white', but in this case, even the way he broke it down, he shoulda leaned heavier towards his agency than Russ/ADD. They were sending him real scripts, getting him to tape and go on auditions etc. I'm sure 2-3 years ago they had a digital arm or at least an agent or 2 on staff who could link him directly with YouTube.

I hope the breh bounces back, because I actually do think he's talented and he has a "voice". He just needs to get his head on straight, assess what went wrong and what went right and start trying to rebuild the bridge on the pathway to the things that went right instead of focusing on those who wronged him.

Easier said than done, but doing is way better than saying.

Was already homeless
Has a kid
Failed once before
May be broke
Entertainment "friends" turned their back
The saturation of the social media game
Already screaming "black ppl don't support their own"

Time for a square job, breb

I actually think they just comfortably faded to the background. I think they mainly write now, but I have seen them in some videos the past year.

They still want a show for all five of them

The thing I've seen them do over the years r their podcast, a straight to DVD movie and on "That Guy" (YouTube series by Black & Sexy TV)

They never mention writing scripts

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Years ago when I did stand-up back in 2011 or 2012, I did a show with him. Real cool and humble dude.

I got video of him performing for an event in the vault. I need to release. I got a lot of stuff sitting in the vault.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

So in other words he should have sold out to cash in and not had fukked with Russell?

It's crazy cause as successful as Russell can make you he is known for giving bad deals. Even with Def Comedy Jam he gave bad deals and I think he owned the Intelectual Property of those performances too.

Now he’s making money on Prime Video. That is standard business bolded. They got paid whatever upfront plus the exposure that propelled a LOT of careers in exchange for the rights of their recorded performance.

 

[steadyrighteous]

So in other words he should have sold out to cash in and not had fukked with Russell?

It's crazy cause as successful as Russell can make you he is known for giving bad deals. Even with Def Comedy Jam he gave bad deals and I think he owned the Intelectual Property of those performances too.

This is the kinda language that got him in this predicament in the first place. What is it about avoiding a bad deal and sticking with a good situation that would have made him a "sellout"?

Did you watch the video? He said it himself. In the meeting with the agency (UTA, the homie @Quantan corrected me) he said to all those agents, he laid it out - "I ain't with no fukk shyt, I'm not gonna sell my soul, I'm not gonna wear a dress and do no gay shyt" etc. etc. (which is a lot of the shyt nikkas believe in that probably only happens to 5-10% or less people) and they said cool. And from there they started getting him auditions and he ended up in a movie with Sandra Bullock and Melissa McCarthy in under a month and it was all on his terms. From YouTube to a real movie. Breh, some of the biggest YouTubers right now couldn't get into a movie if they tried. The Logan Paul's etc. People on the "real" side of the business do not fukk with YouTubers, but Spoken Reasons got a shot.

Russell Simmons had zero track record in the digital space, and outside of Def Comedy Jam, has no TV or movie track record. And his recent #MeToo stuff aside, All Def Digital has been declining slowly but surely, as has All Def Music.
UTA on the other hand is one of the biggest talent agencies on Earth and could plug you with almost anybody in film, TV or content you could ever imagine.

So if you watched his video and heard everything he said and the lesson you took from it is "He fukked with Russell so he didn't sell out," then I don't know what to tell you.

It's not a black or white thing. It's a "this machine is built for TV and movies" and "this dude has several ventures and most don't pan out" thing.

 

[lotteryplaya]

I remember seeing him in a successful movie with Melissa McCarthy one night when I couldn't find anything else to watch. They had him playing a criminal and a snitch. Surprised he fell off this fast after blowing up so fast. Thought he would keep getting that industry push. A Katt Williams/Eddie Griffin had enough talent and material to say a lot of wild conspiracy type stuff like this and still have a successful career after but I don't know if SR does. Since he has a child I hope he can generate income somehow but his traditional entertainment industry days may be over.

 

[Geek Nasty]

Breh take some time out and watch that shyt. I'm tired of catering to ADD folks, no pun intended lol.

It's one thing if this was a video where you could time stamp it, but the thing is this whole thing is worth watching really to hear his story from the start. To try and put time stamps on it wouldn't let you hear the whole story.

It's a fukking 1 1/2 hour video, who's got time for that

 

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