Steph Curry has completely WARPED the way we rate players

[waltthizzney]

Kobe wasn't a great defender....he's an overrated defender.

Wade was a good defender and a great help defender

And Curry's offensive impact outweighs any defensive impact that Kobe and Wade had...

You can replace Wade and Kobe with someone Bruce Bowen or someone and be fine...

Who you gonna replace Curry with? Curry is an entire offensive system.

A great perimeter defender that was a viable offensive player is Scottie Pippen, Kawhi Leonard, Walt Frazier, Michael Jordan, Sidney Moncrief...those guys...



I wish people would stop bringing up Kobe when he was never even on the level of D-Wade....

Stef would be a spot up 6th man if he played in the early 2000s not this bs leauge today

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

All facts I just broke ya mancrush down to the molecular level

Molecular level? More like you broke his game down to fit your broken eye test and agenda. I'm amazed at just how many of y'all have been watching something for so long and yet still don't know what it is you're watching.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Curry is an offensive juggernaut. His numbers/efficiency/TS are unprecedented. Another couple years at this level and there's no denying that he is a top 5 offensive player in history. His numbers over the past 3-4 yrs say he on par with Michael fukkin Jordan in terms of gravity, plus/minus and efficiency. So yea he's an offensive juggernaut. He's an analytic nerds wet dream..

Here's the problem...we're putting wayy too much stock into offense and we're forgetting that defense also impacts the game. nikkas are getting way too carried away with Curry's offense and are forgetting that he's an average defender at best..that's called a weakness. Yet i see people are now ranking him over Kobe Bryant. Kobe didnt play defense his last 5-6yrs but in his prime he was the best 2way player in the game. That has to factor in when u compare alltime greats, but because Curry's per is so beastly people are glossing over his shortcomings on otherside of the ball. Look at Dwade...in his prime not only did he also have a 30 per season and was a beastly efficient, offensive machine..but he was an absolute tasmanian devil on D...he had his team in the top 10 in defensive ranking without a rim protector. But we're ranking Curry over him now, we're saying what Curry is doing now is better than anything he and Kobe ever did. Even though Curry doesnt even have the longevity to be ranked over Kobe and Dwade. But we'll throw that out for now

And address how the Curry effect is warping how past players even are being ranked. Steve Nash vs Jason Kidd...because of what Nash could do on offense and how he engineered top ranked offenses for years (which deserves props) he's now ranked over Kidd...despite the fact that Kidd was the best defensive and rebounding PG in his era, and was flat out a more versatile player. You can really see it getting out of control when you see nikkas using advanced offensive stats to rank Kyle Lowry over a hall of famer like Jason Kidd. Fighting tooth and nail.

Thats when you realize that people have lost perspective on the way to properly rank a player. Especially when dealing with alltime greats

At what point did you realize that what you just posted was just a bunch of nonsense?

 

[Poitier]

Molecular level? More like you broke his game down to fit your broken eye test and agenda. I'm amazed at just how many of y'all have been watching something for so long and yet still don't know what it is you're watching.

When it comes to ISO

Kobe = Actavis
Kyrie= Hi Tec
Curry = over the counter cough syrup

The overrating of "Run me off 4 screens to get a shot coach!" Curry has made me appreciate Lebron more so there is that

 

[Remote]

Kobe wasn't a great defender....he's an overrated defender.

Wade was a good defender and a great help defender

And Curry's offensive impact outweighs any defensive impact that Kobe and Wade had...

You can replace Wade and Kobe with someone Bruce Bowen or someone and be fine...

Who you gonna replace Curry with? Curry is an entire offensive system.

A great perimeter defender that was a viable offensive player is Scottie Pippen, Kawhi Leonard, Walt Frazier, Michael Jordan, Sidney Moncrief...those guys...



I wish people would stop bringing up Kobe when he was never even on the level of D-Wade....

Interesting

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

“Gravity” is the most overrated term in basketball right now. Let’s see how effective Curry’s “gravity” is on a sorry ass shooting team like the Lakers or Grizzlies where teams don’t give a fukk about leaving their man to double him because the open dude is a professional bricklayer. Easy to talk about gravity when you’re swinging it to Klay Thompson and Kevin fukking Durant.

You do realize that the '15/'16 Warriors (apart from Klay) were one of the worst shooting groups in the league, right? Draymond, Barnes, Bogut, Ezeli, Speights and Barbosa are great shooters now? How can you possibly look at the Warriors (prior to Durant's arrival), and not see what Curry's "gravity" could do? Did you forget in the 2015 and 2016 Finals where the Cavs would double/triple him and leave the role players open? Did you forget that in the 2016 Finals that the Cavs won partly because Barnes shot 5-32 on mostly open shots because the Cavs forced the ball out of Curry's hands and made players like Barnes beat them?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

According to thecoli, Draymond is a below average shooter (at best) who benefits from all the attention Curry receives, and has open shots all the time, but then they use the notion that Curry benefits from being surrounded by all these shooters, when in reality, Draymond was the best shooter out of the group (Klay aside) when Curry had one of the greatest, most efficient high-volume scoring seasons of all-time.

 

[THE MACHINE]

It's funny how shooting and making difficult contested shots is why Kobe stans say Kobe is better than Bron but now they wanna talk about "all-around versatility and defense".

Lebron puts up better all-around numbers than Kobe for a decade and it's "shooting and Kobe's shot selection" is more important than passing, playmaking, rebounding, defensive versatility, etc.

Now Curry is on another planet than Kobe as a shooter while being a better playmaker and nikkas juelzingz

You see how they talk about rebounds, assists, floor generalship and pace now that they got Lonzo?

 

[360Waves]

You do realize that the '15/'16 Warriors (apart from Klay) were one of the worst shooting groups in the league, right? Draymond, Barnes, Bogut, Ezeli, Speights and Barbosa are great shooters now? How can you possibly look at the Warriors (prior to Durant's arrival), and not see what Curry's "gravity" could do? Did you forget in the 2015 and 2016 Finals where the Cavs would double/triple him and leave the role players open? Did you forget that in the 2016 Finals that the Cavs won partly because Barnes shot 5-32 on mostly open shots because the Cavs forced the ball out of Curry's hands and made players like Barnes beat them?

Thanks for proving my point.

Listen man, if you can defend in this league you can win games. The Celtics have consistently been a sorry ass shooting team but manage to rip off win after win because they play at a fast pace and defend. The Dubs even in their early years were like that. It has very little to do with Curry’s “gravity.”

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

When it comes to ISO

Kobe = Actavis
Kyrie= Hi Tec
Curry = over the counter cough syrup

The overrating of "Run me off 4 screens to get a shot coach!" Curry has made me appreciate Lebron more so there is that

The problem with you is (and folks alike), is that not only do you not know how to gauge a player's ISO ability properly, but you fail to realize that NBA basketball isn't a 1v1 sport. You're talking about ISO, ISO, ISO all the time as if that's the ONLY thing matters, which is funny because rarely ever do teams give Curry an opportunity to score in ISO, because they're too afraid of his range/handle. It's the whole reason defenders swarm the vicinity he's in, the moment he crosses halfcourt.

Curry used to score in ISO predominately in Jackson's offense, but the problem with that was, the only player it would benefit was Curry, because that style of play wasn't using his gravity and off-ball ability to get his teammates open looks, and general offensive flow. Now that they do, ever since Kerr took over, players like Barnes, Iggy and Draymond etc get easier shots because of how Curry's used.

Curry could go back to just scoring in ISO, but ultimately what purpose what that serve other than to appease the sensibilities of someone who only cares about 1v1 basketball and not actually winning the game?

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Kobe wasn't a great defender....he's an overrated defender.

Wade was a good defender and a great help defender

And Curry's offensive impact outweighs any defensive impact that Kobe and Wade had...

You can replace Wade and Kobe with someone Bruce Bowen or someone and be fine...

Who you gonna replace Curry with? Curry is an entire offensive system.

A great perimeter defender that was a viable offensive player is Scottie Pippen, Kawhi Leonard, Walt Frazier, Michael Jordan, Sidney Moncrief...those guys...



I wish people would stop bringing up Kobe when he was never even on the level of D-Wade....

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

wrong thread..

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Thanks for proving my point.

Listen man, if you can defend in this league you can win games. The Celtics have consistently been a sorry ass shooting team but manage to rip off win after win because they play at a fast pace and defend. The Dubs even in their early years were like that. It has very little to do with Curry’s “gravity.”

Except I didn't "prove" your point. I drowned it.

What does that have to do with the Warriors having the greatest producing offense of all-time in 2015/16 (when they won 73 games, nonetheless), with players like Draymond, Bogut, Barnes, Ezeli, Iggy, Barbosa etc as Steph's support cast - players who range from below-average shooters to flat-out bad? How can you not see that Steph's "gravity" was the cause behind all of that?

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Wrong thread...

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

I am talking about on defense...

Kobe's and Wade's defense isn't that valuable...

No smart and forward thinking coach is looking at Curry vs. Wade and being like..."Well Wade plays better defense, so I'll take Wade..."

Put 05-06 wade in curry shoes in that game 7 against CLE and the warriors win in 2016. I fukk with curry but justat the blatant disrespect for bean and wade. Both were better defenders than curry and Wade put up one of the most historical finals ever in 06, albeit he spent a lot of time at the free throw line

Curry also has the benefit of having a top 10 ATG three point shooter and great defender in Klay hanging in the back court with him.