Steph Curry is banned from Finals MVP contention

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Curry just had one of the best [offensive] seasons of all time. At no point in Zeke's career to have the same impact.

Based on stats. You cannot compare the stats that Curry puts up today with the stats that Zeke put it without putting them in proper context. This is a completely different league where the game is played different and the players are different. This is the problem with your outlook on NBA basketball. You base everything on stats while ignoring context. I don't give a tick about his stats. There's no way that Curry has proven himself to be a better player than Isaiah was. That's just silly.

 

[King Poetic]

Bu, bu, but he's better than Isaiah Thomas

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

His Kobe comments are irrelevant here, that's a deflection.

It's not about the "comments" it's about his reasoning. He uses Curry's low FG% as reasoning to say he had a poor game, yet tried to excuse Kobe when he has a low FG%.

Your argument is weak and invalid.

Is this where I say you're just being "sassy"?

Nobody on the Warriors team actually played good defense. Kyrie burned Klay more because Klay was the primary defender. You say that Kyrie only gave Curry a few buckets but he was only on him a handful of times.

He defended him multiple times all throughout that game. Yes Klay was mostly on him, but again Curry actually did a better job than Klay did. Nevertheless the point was, Kyrie wasn't burning Curry like @CantStop made it seem he was.

Klay actually forced him into a lot of difficult shots that Kyrie just made. Curry was a on factor on defense.

Curry forced Kyrie into tough shots and to give up the ball on certain possessions too. He wasn't a non-factor. Why do you only tell half the story?

His decision making wasn't all that good either.

His decision making was about the only good thing in this game. I've already been over the game again. He was making the rigth decisions on offense, the team just weren't hitting their shots (that includes him too). They were 16-43 on uncontested shots with Curry being the main playmaker - obviously he was the main reason why they had all those uncontested shots.

He had another 4 turnovers last night.

You're absolutely clueless. I knew you'd bring this up.

how was the main generator of offens when Klay singlehandedly kept them in it in the first half? Klay has 26 of their 61 first half points and finished with 37 of their 97. Klay was the main generator on offense

When I say main generator of their offense I mean he was the one who orchestrated it; running the sets/actions, finding open players or creating secondary assist opportunities - which led to all those open shots.

I didn't say that Curry played awful but he didn't play well and it actually subpar. He didn't show up in the 4th.

What the fukk are you arguing about then? If you're here to argue over semantics of he didn't play well but he didn't play bad, what was the point in you joining the conversation? The margin of how I think he played and how you think he played is probably within proximity yet you're in here arguing some nonsense for whatever reason to get my attention. Just like you do with @Malta.[/QUOTE]

 

[eastside313]

At no point during his career was he better than Curry.

Your point? Curry won a title playing the way he does. Curry led a tea to 73-wins playing the way he does. He didn't need to change his game to win titles.

So what you're saying is, you didn't watch the clip and you never watched the '84 Finals at all?

no i didn't watch the clip and if i did see the 84 finals i damn sure dont remember it.

I never said anything about curry changing his game or anything like that. I just stated that facts of what isiah was able to do. My point was isiah also was a wonderful scorer while still being a pg and leader for his team. Steph is the best shooter in history but imo that doesnt catapult him automatically to the top of the list. Especially when its go time in the finals and he cant do it consistently like during the regular season.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Based on stats.

Why do you say this as if stats don't have any relevance?

Is it because you think Pacers' Mark Jackson is better than '15/'16 Lowry? And you can use that reasoning to explain any old bullshyt when the stats don't suit your cause?

You cannot compare the stats that Curry puts up today with the stats that Zeke put it without putting them in proper context

Lucky for you I know how to and I've given the proper context when comparing their stats.

This is a completely different league where the game is played different and the players are different.

This is painfully obvious.

Here you go again, saying a bunch of nothing for the sake of typing out a bunch of words to make it seem like you're saying something.

This is the problem with your outlook on NBA basketball. You base everything on stats while ignoring context.

This is your problem: straw man arguments.

Stats (in the traditional sense) aren't the only reason why I think Curry is better than Zeke ever was at any point of his career. Better skillset, more individual success and against more defensive attention. Another problem wit you is there's other data you can use to demonstrate Curry's impact more clearly instead of using the box score. And no I'm not talking about metrics like PER or WinShares.

I must reiterate I'm not talking about an all-time list (just at both player's apex). I know how you tend to skip over details.

There's no way that Curry has proven himself to be a better player than Isaiah was. That's just silly.

The fact you even think this is mind-boggling, yet not surprising. Curry's impact on offense this season was basically a perimeter version of '00 Shaq. Yet you're telling me he wasn't even better than Zeke at his peak?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I never said anything about curry changing his game or anything like that. I just stated that facts of what isiah was able to do. My point was isiah also was a wonderful scorer while still being a pg and leader for his team. Steph is the best shooter in history but imo that doesnt catapult him automatically to the top of the list. Especially when its go time in the finals and he cant do it consistently like during the regular season.

i) Who the fukk is catapulting him to the top of the list? He shouldn't be on any all-time list at this stage of his career.
ii) Have you not been watching him over the playoffs:

did you not see him average 34 points on 50% shooting and 9 assists against the T'Blazers in the second round?
did you not see him average 32.7 points on 47% shooting and 7.7 assists against OKC in the WCF after they were down 1-3, and the main reason why they won three straight to win that series?

And he did this all the while coming back from a knee sprain early and he's still dealing with mobility issues.

 

[onelastdeath]

The Steph hate is insane to me. Don't know how you can hate that guy.

nikkas in here talking about he's trash and his wife deserves to get beat

I can't yo

 

[Newzz]

He's a better player than Zeke ever was at any point of his career

 

[Eastside Get The Money]

Trophy is reserved for Klay we all know this
Warriors have a perfect duo. Steph carry them through 82, Klay come in for the final 16

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Why do cats have a problem with this? Are you telling me that Curry this season wasn't a better player than Zeke was at his peak?

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Not often I say someone is a fkin loser but jesus christ this Gil dude is actually a fukking loser. Holy shyt can't even scroll past his post as usual cause he has like 75% of the post on here all of which are lengthy as fukk. Give it a fukking rest breh.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Trophy is reserved for Klay we all know this

How did you come to this conclusion?

Draymond has been the Warriors best and most consistent player in this series.

Warriors have a perfect duo. Steph carry them through 82, Klay come in for the final 16

But it wasn't just him though. He and Green basically had equal impact when Curry was out and when Curry did come back he closed that Portland series for them (last two games) and closed that OKC series for them (three games - Klay being the best player in G6).

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Not often I say someone is a fkin loser but jesus christ this Gil dude is actually a fukking loser. Holy shyt can't even scroll past his post as usual cause he has like 75% of the post on here all of which are lengthy as fukk. Give it a fukking rest breh.

Tell these dudes to stop posting dumb shyt and I'll stop typing "lengthy" posts.

 

[Eastside Get The Money]

How did you come to this conclusion?

Draymond has been the Warriors best and most consistent player in this series.

But it wasn't just him though. He and Green basically had equal impact when Curry was out and when Curry did come back he closed that Portland series for them (last two games) and closed that OKC series for them (three games).

Breh Draymond probably my favorite player in the league, got homies that are homies with him. But Klay literally shot them into the finals. Dray is the renaissance man and is respected for that but they don't advance without Klay

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Breh Draymond probably my favorite player in the league, got homies that are homies with him. But Klay literally shot them into the finals. Dray is the renaissance man and is respected for that but they don't advance without Klay

What does that have to do with the Finals MVP?

Stop giving all the credit to Klay for that OKC series, in the last three games (where GS went 3-0):

Curry was the top scorer with 36 points on 54% shooting (7-12 3-pt shooting) and 8 assists in Game 7 of the WCF
Curry was the top scorer with 31 points on 45% shooting in Game 5 of the WCF
Klay was the top scorer with 41 points and Curry scored 31 points in Game 6 of the WCF

It wasn't just Klay, it was Curry too. He was actually the Warriors best player over the back end of the WCF.

Back to the FMVP - Draymond has been GS's best player up to this point, not Klay and not Curry.