Steve Bannon Speaks At "Black Americans For A Better Future Summit"

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dudes in here really giving the gop the benefit of a doubt like they would be interested in promoting issues important to black people? :gucci:

@Call Me James hit the nail on the head that you guys have never lived below the mason dixon or in areas where the confederate flag was once embedded in the state flag. you dudes on that 'give them a chance' bs are the type to show up at a kkk rally talking about 'how can we work together' only to be hung from a tree.

look, we don't have to scare the dems into supporting black issues. if we keep voting like we did in alabama and in 2007 for obama we can take what we want. black people already have a good start at political representation and infrastructure in place with the dems. we only need to be more consistent with our voting power to take what we want. that's on us. switching to the gop or some other 3rd party would not only be starting over, but counterproductive. the gop roadmap for the next 8 years (at least) includes nothing for black folks.
 
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@Call Me James hit the nail on the head that you guys have never lived below the mason dixon or in areas where the confederate flag was once embedded in the state flag. you dudes on that 'give them a chance' bs are the type to show up at a kkk rally talking about 'how can we work together' only to be hung from a tree.
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No one is advocating appealing to members of the Aryan Nation. The people who this idea would be targeting at are those Republican voters who swung the election to Doug Jones by either abstaining from voting or voting Democrat. A refusal to acknowledge variances within the Republican Party base is juvenile and reeks of partisan hackery. Trump's support amongst Evangelicals has dropped 17%. There are obviously unreachable people who are fully sunk in their hatred of liberals/black people/whoever, but the Alabama election results point to some level of malleability within the entirety of the Republican voter base.

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look, we don't have to scare the dems into supporting black issues. if we keep voting like we did in alabama and in 2007 for obama we can take what we want. black people already have a good start at political representation and infrastructure in place with the dems. we only need to be more consistent with our voting power to take what we want. that's on us. switching to the gop or some other 3rd party would not only be starting over, but counterproductive. the gop roadmap for the next 8 years (at least) includes nothing for black folks.
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This is political suicide. We've consistently been the most loyal voter base of the Democratic Party for a generation now, and they've continued to take our vote for granted.The Obama Administration is proof that even when we have symbolic "representation", our interests will be subordinated to those of other groups. To just continue doing what we've been doing and expecting a different result is madness. Again, the idea isn't to switch our vote over wholesale to the Republican Party in its current incarnation, it's to shop the vote around and force concessions from the Democratic Party that we're single handedly holding up and is supposed to be representing us, a byproduct of which would be the moderate wing of the Republican Party shifting in the direction of our interests to weaken their opponents. That this mere idea of showing a political spine and independence provokes such rancorous dissent is really worrying.
 
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^ you're just wrong. you completely disregard that we can control the agenda when we consistently vote in numbers. something we admittedly have done a poor job of. again, this is why the gop pursues voter suppression and they fight for gerrymandering. we have never flexed our voting muscles like we did in 2007 and this week. that's the challenge.

you also disregard that we have a framework for establishing our own political base and strength by further penetrating the infrastructure the dems have in place. we can build off of that and eventually branch off.

the key to our success is establishing an agenda for our people, building on the infrastructure we have access to, voting consistently and in numbers.

it's not rocket science, but we have the gop and "independents", and even some dems fighting against us, people in our own community that want us to take a dumb approach by saying give the other guy a chance or split the vote, and some who are complacent or uninterested.
 
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^ you're just wrong. you completely disregard that we can control the agenda when we consistently vote in numbers. something we admittedly have done a poor job of. again, this is why the gop pursues voter suppression and they fight for gerrymandering. we have never flexed our voting muscles like we did in 2007 and this week. that's the challenge.
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We have been voting in numbers for a long time, breh. Black people, particularly black women, are some of the most active and loyal voters in the entire population. Our turnout rates have been matched only by whites for the past 20 years or so, even surpassing them for the two Obama elections.

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Add that to the fact that the white share of the electorate has been nosediving.

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What more do we need to do to "control the agenda"? Being one of the top 2 most active voting blocs is obviously not cutting it. Just saying "keep doing what we've been doing and hope Democratic leadership takes us seriously" is not a message of action, it's a prayer.

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you also disregard that we have a framework for establishing our own political base and strength by further penetrating the infrastructure the dems have in place. we can build off of that and eventually branch off.
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This is a fair point, and as I said upthread, if we could penetrate the Democratic infrastructure and gain actual power within the party, I'd be all for it. I have no loyalty or special feelings towards either party. A political party is just a shell coalition holding a group of individual constituencies together. But the fact that we already have a foothold in the Democratic Party is why I'm not advocating switching wholesale to the Republican Party, I'm advocating threatening to decouple from the Democratic Party in order to force concessions on our issues and gain the leverage to meaningfully change the infrastructure of the Democratic Party in our favour.

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the key to our success is establishing an agenda for our people, building on the infrastructure we have access to, voting consistently and in numbers.

it's not rocket science, but we have the gop fighting against us and people in our own community that want us to take a dumb approach by saying give the other guy a chance or split the vote.
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I agree with you on that being the key to our success, but building on the infrastructure is near impossible if the organism the infrastructure is housed within isn't susceptible to change because you refuse to use the leverage at your disposal. You seem to think that by simply asking harder, the Democratic Party leadership will finally wake up one day and decide out of the goodness of their hearts to privilege the black voter base over their corporate paymasters and demographically bullish Hispanic voter base. Who needs voter suppression when you have a strategy like that.

Black Voters Are So Loyal That Their Issues Get Ignored
 
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you're cherrypicking voting stats. first, the midterm, local, state turnout is way lower than national elections. those are as important, if not more important. second, we vote at a rate of around 10% lower than whites. third, we have to be more unified with our voting power in order to have increased influence.

this isn't about loyalty or asking it's about voting our interests and pushing candidates to support our agenda. an example is how a small, but rabid base called the tea party forced the gop further right. we can also promote and support our own candidates or candidates who are in line with our agenda.

^ these are clear paths to getting where we want to be. we don't have to ask or beg the dems for anything. they originally opened the door for us under the pretense of handing out crumbs, but now that we're in we have a better opportunity to infiltrate and expand. splitting the vote or going gop is unnecessary and counterproductive.
 
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bzb said:
you're cherrypicking voting stats. first, the midterm, local, state turnout is way lower than national elections. those are as important, if not more important. second, we vote at a rate of around 10% lower than whites. third.
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The turnout charts I provided include midterm races, hence the drop every non-Presidential year. Turnout drops for every race in midterm years, but the black vote is still always right behind the white vote. Not sure where you're getting that 10% number from. Since 2000, the biggest gap from the black voter turnout to the white voter turnout has been 8% in 2006. Every other year we have been within 5%, except for 2012 when we beat them by 6%.

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State and local races are very important, so I would appreciate any stats/sources on racial turnout (specifically intra-Democratic Party voters) on them if you have any.

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third, we have to be more unified with our voting power in order to have increased influence.
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This is a strange point to me because the black vote is already more unified than just about any other Demographic...it consistently and overwhelmingly goes to the Democrats.

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this isn't about loyalty or asking it's about voting our interests and pushing candidates to support our agenda. an example is how a small, but rabid base called the tea party forced the gop further right. we can also promote and support our own candidates or candidates who are in line with our agenda.
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Promoting and supporting our own candidates who are in line with our agenda is great! But according to you, they must be within the Democratic Party, which exerts influence on candidate choice. So say we promote a candidate who will champion our interests. What incentive does the Democratic Party apparatus have to support that candidate in the primary with funds and access if there are other candidates representing other interests, and they know we'll end up voting for whichever candidate wins the primary anyway? Why would they go with the pro-black candidate when they can go with the pro-corporate candidate? They know the black supporters will vote for the pro-corporate candidate, but the corporations will just as soon support the Republican in the election. We've sold our vote before the market has opened. This is why the Democrats have consistently put up candidates who don't take black interests seriously.
 
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