Steve Bannon Speaks At "Black Americans For A Better Future Summit"

[King Kreole]

Why do you feel they're not taking black concerns seriously?

Because their platform hasn't included many meaningfully pro-black policies? And they haven't strongly pushed for many? And we're seeing other groups' issues prioritized?

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I would wager Obama has represented the best of the Democrats when it comes to addressing black concerns, and if this is the best they can do, they're not worth shyt.

So you honestly believe conservatives would risk losing the white Republican/ evangelical vote by courting black interests.

Why would they risk losing more votes than they stand to gain?

It would depend on the region, but the point is that the Evangelical population is a shytty bet for the future demographically. They're going to be lapped by other racial groups. Conservatives leadership knows this. There's a multiplying effect here because for every black vote they add, they take a vote away from the Democrats. For every white Evangelical/"Racist" voter they lose, that voter won't be going to the Dems. For a Republican, a black voter is pound-for-pound more valuable than an Evangelical/"Racist" white vote. The party needs to expand their racial demographic appeal. Not every Republican voter would leave the party if they expanded their message to include a more racially diverse message. They've already been testing it out. The biggest obstacle, imo, would be replacing the funding from big donors in sectors that profit from black oppression.

 

[TTT]

Because their platform hasn't included many meaningfully pro-black policies? And they haven't strongly pushed for many? And we're seeing other groups' issues prioritized?

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I would wager Obama has represented the best of the Democrats when it comes to addressing black concerns, and if this is the best they can do, they're not worth shyt.




It would depend on the region, but the point is that the Evangelical population is a shytty bet for the future demographically. They're going to be lapped by other racial groups. Conservatives leadership knows this. There's a multiplying effect here because for every black vote they add, they take a vote away from the Democrats. For every white Evangelical/"Racist" voter they lose, that voter won't be going to the Dems. For a Republican, a black voter is pound-for-pound more valuable than an Evangelical/"Racist" white vote. The party needs to expand their racial demographic appeal. Not every Republican voter would leave the party if they expanded their message to include a more racially diverse message. They've already been testing it out. The biggest obstacle, imo, would be replacing the funding from big donors in sectors that profit from black oppression.

There is no evidence that the Republicans are moving away from their strategy. In fact immigration is designed to deal with their demographic problem. The Republican evangelical vote gives them a large swathe of the South, and makes them competitive in the Midwest outside of the cities. The party by embracing Trumpism is clearly saying they have no strategy to expand their base. Which party goes balls to the wall to adopt pro-police platforms that are not dissimilar to Reagan/Nixon tough on crime stuff, look at the recent flag debates and all that stuff about the Civil War being a failure to compromise. The Democrats are an urban party, rural voters are enticed by culture wars that proclaim urban voters as leeches on the government teat. The electoral college gives power to those other smaller population states so why would Republicans try to go for Democrat voters in urban demographics when they can always win the exurban areas in PA and Ohio full of white people.

 

[King Kreole]

There is no evidence that the Republicans are moving away from their strategy.

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Reminder: All my posts contain a pre-Trump Republican caveat.

The Republican evangelical vote gives them a large swathe of the South, and makes them competitive in the Midwest outside of the cities.

Those same Southern states have the largest concentration of black population in the entire nation. The Republicans have been politically disenfranchising those voters through gerrymandering and voter suppression tactics because they feel/know that those voters are unreachable. What I'm saying is that if I was a Republican strategist, I would look at what just happened in Alabama and come to the conclusion that illegal and immoral voter suppression is not a strong enough tactic to overcome the demographic/politico-judicial shift taking place. Not every Republican voter in the South is going to flee the party if you open up your platform by dropping the most overtly racist shyt, and the ones you do lose are losing demographic relevance with each census. It's a numbers game.

The party by embracing Trumpism is clearly saying they have no strategy to expand their base.

Again, all my posts contained the caveat of pre-Trump Republicanism. You believe the Republican Party establishment has embraced Trumpism? These people are tearing their hair out every day because Trump is fukking their messaging up. Paul Ryan is mulling stepping down for god sakes. Trump is "expanding" the party by activating previously inactive fringe right wingers who hate the Republican Establishment. Bannon's number 1 enemy isn't Schumer or Pelosi, it's McConnell and Ryan. There is a civil war going on inside both parties right now. When I'm talking about people who would me amenable to dropping the overt racist Roy Moore shyt and making concessions to black voters, I'm talking people like Jeff Flake, Bob Corker and Marco Rubio.

But to bring it back to the thread topic, I believe what Steve Bannon is doing by attending all these black economic/entrepreneur summits is forming the groundwork for a trade-off. Bannonism doesn't hold anti-black racism as its primary feature. Muslims, illegal immigrants, and the establishment are the dominant targets he goes after. I think Bannon believes he can siphon off black support from the Democrats by refocusing the ire of these overtly racist whites from black people to those three targets, which he believes the black community would have no problem decoupling from. He has said many times that the nationalist policy proposals at the heart of his ideology would be beneficial to the black community.

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The Democrats are an urban party, rural voters are enticed by culture wars that proclaim urban voters as leeches on the government teat.

While this is true, I think it may be an oversimplification. Rural voters are motivated by a number of factors. And the entire point of my posts in this thread is that politics are malleable. Democrats didn't always used to be the party of urban liberals, they were once the party of working class and labour. Republicans were once the party of middle-to-upper class urbanite and yuppies. There is no reason to believe things cannot change again.

The electoral college gives power to those other smaller population states so why would Republicans try to go for Democrat voters in urban demographics when they can always win the exurban areas in PA and Ohio full of white people.

This is a good point, and I believe the primary division in American is Rural vs Urban. I just find this strategy to be somewhat precarious. American politics is waged on the battleground of turnout. Democrats and Republicans both know that if America had 100% turnout, there would never be another Republican President.

 

[Pressure]

There's no value in talking about pre Trump. They chose this path and have fully embraced it.

 

[Eddy Gordo]

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Those same Southern states have the largest concentration of black population in the entire nation. The Republicans have been politically disenfranchising those voters through gerrymandering and voter suppression tactics because they feel/know that those voters are unreachable. What I'm saying is that if I was a Republican strategist, I would look at what just happened in Alabama and come to the conclusion that illegal and immoral voter suppression is not a strong enough tactic to overcome the demographic/politico-judicial shift taking place. Not every Republican voter in the South is going to flee the party if you open up your platform by dropping the most overtly racist shyt, and the ones you do lose are losing demographic relevance with each census. It's a numbers game.


Again, all my posts contained the caveat of pre-Trump Republicanism. You believe the Republican Party establishment has embraced Trumpism? These people are tearing their hair out every day because Trump is fukking their messaging up. Paul Ryan is mulling stepping down for god sakes. Trump is "expanding" the party by activating previously inactive fringe right wingers who hate the Republican Establishment. Bannon's number 1 enemy isn't Schumer or Pelosi, it's McConnell and Ryan. There is a civil war going on inside both parties right now. When I'm talking about people who would me amenable to dropping the overt racist Roy Moore shyt and making concessions to black voters, I'm talking people like Jeff Flake, Bob Corker and Marco Rubio.

But to bring it back to the thread topic, I believe what Steve Bannon is doing by attending all these black economic/entrepreneur summits is forming the groundwork for a trade-off. Bannonism doesn't hold anti-black racism as its primary feature. Muslims, illegal immigrants, and the establishment are the dominant targets he goes after. I think Bannon believes he can siphon off black support from the Democrats by refocusing the ire of these overtly racist whites from black people to those three targets, which he believes the black community would have no problem decoupling from. He has said many times that the nationalist policy proposals at the heart of his ideology would be beneficial to the black community.

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While this is true, I think it may be an oversimplification. Rural voters are motivated by a number of factors. And the entire point of my posts in this thread is that politics are malleable. Democrats didn't always used to be the party of urban liberals, they were once the party of working class and labour. Republicans were once the party of middle-to-upper class urbanite and yuppies. There is no reason to believe things cannot change again.


This is a good point, and I believe the primary division in American is Rural vs Urban. I just find this strategy to be somewhat precarious. American politics is waged on the battleground of turnout. Democrats and Republicans both know that if America had 100% turnout, there would never be another Republican President.

Have you ever actually lived down south in like say Mississippi?

 

[King Kreole]

Have you ever actually lived down south in like say Mississippi?

lol no, why?

 

[King Kreole]

There's no value in talking about pre Trump. They chose this path and have fully embraced it.

Who is "they"?

 

[Eddy Gordo]

lol no, why?

Because you are severely misconstruing the white southern voter and thier motivations.

You believe there is moderate Republican base down south.
There is not. It does not exist.

You believe you can bridge the gap by supporting black interests with the GOP under the guise of nationalism.

That gap is to big. The agenda for the GOP down south for 60 years was to shyt on black folks. That is the entire reason white folks vote for them down south and black people don't.

The GOP ain't the GOP without shytting on black folks to them.

Not to mention black people view nationalism different on a fundamental level. White Americans view nationalism as a way to defend home against the other " Muslims, illegal immigrants, Mexicans". Whoever the 6 o clock news says is the threat.

Black folks view white people as that threat. Even moreso conservative leaning ones.

I'm not saying shyt can't change ,it most definitely can. But the likelihood of
A. The GOP being willing to reach out to black voters and risk losing major support down south.
B. The GOP presenting itself as a significantly better option than the Dems for black folks.
C.Black people actually voting for GOP while they been consistently going Dem more than any other demographic in the country.
is laughable at this current point. The amount of propaganda needed would be astounding.

Also stop with the pretrump talk. On some level your right. If conservative party leadership got what they wanted this could've been possible. Might even have been the plan.

But white voters wanted the Trump's and the Roy Moore's of the world. To me that just means they have some irreconcilable differences with black voters at this point.

 

[BillBanneker]

Have you ever actually lived down south in like say Mississippi?

dude is an obvious trumpian troll

 

[King Kreole]

Because you are severely misconstruing the white southern voter and thier motivations.

You believe there is moderate Republican base down south.
There is not. It does not exist.

That anti-black racism is deeply interwoven into all of American life, but especially in the South, is undeniable. But to flatten conservative ideology into a monolith is mistaken, imo. There are gradations of overt racism. Someone like Richard Shelby is different than someone like Roy Moore. The people who support them are different as well. "Moderate" is a relative term.

You believe you can bridge the gap by supporting black interests with the GOP under the guise of nationalism.

That gap is to big. The agenda for the GOP down south for 60 years was to shyt on black folks. That is the entire reason white folks vote for them down south and black people don't.

The GOP ain't the GOP without shytting on black folks to them.

shytting on black folk has been the GOP playbook for a long time, yes. What I'm saying is that we are living in a tumultuous time where a lot of social and economic reorganization is taking place, and with change comes opportunities. You may be right that the gap is too big to traverse for Southern Republican voters, but I'm not so sure. I think if you were to ask them to rank the threats to their livelihood between black people, Muslims, illegal immigrants and the establishment, black people would be last in that list. That is a new shift.

Not to mention black people view nationalism different on a fundamental level. White Americans view nationalism as a way to defend home against the other " Muslims, illegal immigrants, Mexicans". Whoever the 6 o clock news says is the threat.

Black folks view white people as that threat. Even moreso conservative leaning ones.

This is very true. The question for me is whether or not black people are in a position to reject potential advancement in the form of nationalist policies so that we can stop white racists from shifting their sights to another group. I personally think it's immoral to abdicate one's duty to their fellow humans by allowing another group to become the target of ire, but I don't know if I can make that case when it comes to thinking on behalf of the entirety of the black community. Black people have been abused in a more vicious and damaging manner than any of these groups, been abused for longer than any of these groups, and it's pretty bullshyt that we're being put on the front lines of this battle, asked to forgo whatever leverage within the Democratic Party to fight on behalf of these other groups. It's some WW2 black soldiers as cannon fodder shyt.

I'm not saying shyt can't change ,it most definitely can. But the likelihood of
A. The GOP being willing to reach out to black voters and risk losing major support down south.
B. The GOP presenting itself as a significantly better option than the Dems for black folks.
C.Black people actually voting for GOP while they been consistently going Dem more than any other demographic in the country.
is laughable at this current point. The amount of propaganda needed would be astounding.

My posts haven't been about what is most likely to actually happen, this conversation has been about hypothetical ways in which we could use our political power in more effective manners. If I was a betting man, I would bet nothing will change, black people will get lapped by the Hispanic voting block, and be consigned to relative political irrelevancy in the future.

 

[King Kreole]

dude is an obvious trumpian troll

yeah love trump #maga

 

[Pressure]

Who is "they"?

Voters. A party is nothing without its voters. A strongmajority of conservatives and evangelicals still support Trumpism. Hell almost 2/3 supported Moore.


Like I said, talking about conservatives PRE TRUMP IS POINTLESS BECAUSE THEY GOT A TASTE AND THEY STILL ENJOY IT.

 

[King Kreole]

Voters. A party is nothing without its voters. A strongmajority of conservatives and evangelicals still support Trumpism. Hell almost 2/3 supported Moore.


Like I said, talking about conservatives PRE TRUMP IS POINTLESS BECAUSE THEY GOT A TASTE AND THEY STILL ENJOY IT.

Evangelicals are by and large one issue voters on the issue of abortion, so they represent the ideological fringe of the Republican Party (and even then, their support for him is dropping). But there are a lot of conservatives/Republicans that got a taste of Trump and swallowed it down like a bitter pill. A lot of conservatives "support" him begrudgingly out of tribalism. There are also a lot who don't support him at all anymore. Every week we see his approval rating drop. The "Resistance" () has a lot of Republicans in its ranks.

The idea that Trump is enjoying universal, uncontested popularity throughout the Republican party isn't grounded in reality. If those Evangelicals represented the totality of Republican voters and have the power to elect a President, do you think Roy Moore would have lost to Doug Jones? The Republican Party is a coalition of different groups coming together. Some are neocon war hawks who don't give a shyt about abortion, some are fiscal budget hawks who don't give a shyt about states rights, some are conservative cultural warriors who don't give a shyt about the tax rate, etc. To posit that they're all enjoying Trumpism doesn't seem correct to me. I mean, half the Republican leadership hates this guy more than the Dems do.

 

[Pressure]

Evangelicals aren't one issue voters. You clearly have not spent much time if any living in the south.

 

[King Kreole]

Evangelicals aren't one issue voters. You clearly have your spent much time if any living in the south.

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JW: Young evangelicals today care only about one issue: abortion. But the Bible doesn’t really have anything much to say about abortion. How come abortion has emerged as the millennials’ big issue?

FF: It’s been growing ever since the beginning of the ’80s. In the past it was not much of a concern to evangelicals, most of whom were like liberal Protestants, supporting what they called therapeutic abortions—abortion in the case of rape or incest, but also harm to the mother. The harm included psychological harm, so that could mean almost anything. What they didn’t like was what they call abortion on demand, which is what Roe v. Wadeprotects.

Abortion had always been a Catholic issue, and evangelicals couldn’t stand the Catholics. It took years to convince them that abortion was murder, as the Catholics said. Then they became more Catholic than the Catholics on this issue, because it connected with what they saw as part of the destruction of the patriarchal family, which they have been supporting all these years.

Would you care to respond to anything else in my post?