Steve Bannon Speaks At "Black Americans For A Better Future Summit"

[DEAD7]

It's always on the table. But political representation is a question of " What you gonna do for me?"

We have had this conversation before.
Outcome 1: Vote GOP. They will actively work against black interests.
Outcome 2: Vote Dem. Get payed lip service while the situation gradually decline.
Outcome 3: Vote 3rd Party. Wait they not viable to win. See option 1.

It's a catch -22 because it was designed as such. You won't ever see gains from such a system. To see results the paradigm must be shifted.

And what im saying is choosing an option other than #2 will give Dems an incentive to address our concerns or continue to lose to Rethugs

 

[Pressure]

Black voter turnout fail 7% between Obama and Clinton. Republicans won races that many thought would sway liberal. Lower black voter turnout was cited as a potential reason why Trump and a host of others won. Young black voter turnout is less committed to the democratic party than the Baby Boomers.

So pardon me for being dismissive of the not vote to gain power crowd, but we're currently seeing the effects of not voting or not voting liberal.

 

[bzb]

Lets stop right here... our challenges our systemic, focusing on the actors does nothing for us.

i disagree. trump is a blatant statement by the gop and those who voted or campaigned for him (including the russians) that they would rather break the system than see us take a piece of the pie.

voting gop or 3rd party is like cutting off our nose to spite our face. personally i think we should keep working to unify our vote and vote more consistently. 2008 was their racist wake up call, we can beat them at their own game when we're motivated and unified. that's why they've been so focused on suppressing, splitting up, diluting our voting power since then.

 

[Eddy Gordo]

And what im saying is choosing an option other than #2 will give Dems an incentive to address our concerns or continue to lose to Rethugs

I get what your saying. Just like most of the points you make doesn't incorporate well with reality. You suffer from a dreadful lack of imagination.

You expect a large group of people to actively go against their own interests in the short term for uncertain long term gain. That's foolish.

And even you manage to pull it off, you didn't force the Dems to make a choice to support you, you merely changed the paradigm into something unfavorable to you.

Their response is not some predetermined calculation you can predict.

The Dem response could be
Black folks want to be oppressed now.

Time to get these Jose's, Carlos, and Margaritas to the polls

 

[2stainz]

they would rather break the system than see us take a piece of the pie.

quoted for truth , Obama was scary enough..they were not willing to give any further. Hence Trump

 

[theworldismine13]

The reactionary views I see on politics

There's nothing to reconcile. The dream act covers immigrants of all races.

Similar to how programs that help minorities also help women and as a result black women get a double dipping. Affirmative Action?

its simply disingenuous to say the dream act is about all races, only like 1% are black

you do have to reconcile it, this is not theoretical, this (not being able to reconcile black issues) is one of the fundamental reasons why hillary lost

you will never excite the black base by saying how racist republicans are or by promoting programs for "minorities" when minorities include tom dikk and harry

 

[Pressure]

its simply disingenuous to say the dream act is about all races, only like 1% are black

you do have to reconcile it, this is not theoretical, this (not being able to reconcile black issues) is one of the fundamental reasons why hillary lost

you will never excite the black base by saying how racist republicans are or by promoting programs for "minorities" when minorities include tom dikk and harry

You're being disingenuous here with these blanket statements. By the numbers:

Nancy Pelosi claims 76% of Americans support the DREAM Act

Our research

As evidence for the claim, Pelosi’s spokesman pointed to a Politico/Morning Consult poll conducted Aug. 31 through Sept. 3, 2017. The poll includes responses from nearly 2,000 registered voters.

The questions didn’t mention the DREAM Act specifically, but instead asked about the main thrust of the legislation.

Here’s the question that got the closest:

"As you may know, Dreamers are young people who were brought to the United States illegally when they were children, often with their parents. Which of the following do you think is the best way to handle Dreamers?"

• 58 percent said Dreamers "should be allowed to stay and become citizens if they meet certain requirements."

• 18 percent said Dreamers "should be allowed to stay and become legal residents, but NOT citizens, if they meet certain requirements."

Combined, this totals the 76 percent Pelosi cited.

Backing up her point about Republican support, the poll found 69 percent of Republicans and 84 percent of Democrats surveyed favored one of these two options.

Other polling

The late August poll backs up Pelosi’s claim. But we wanted to know whether other polls had asked similar questions and whether they told a different story.

Kathleen Frankovic, a leading expert on public opinion polling, told us there haven’t been many recent surveys specifically on the DREAM Act. The new version of the bill was only introduced in July 2017.

She said in an email that other polling has shown "general support for a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants."

She cited a September 2017 poll by The Economist/YouGov in which 69 percent favored either a path to citizenship or legal status when asked "Which comes closest to your view about illegal immigrants who are living in the U.S.?" The question did not specifically ask about Dreamers.

Frankovic cautioned: "Since wording can affect answers on this subject, politicians can pick and choose the numbers they want to cite, the ones that make the strongest case for their position."

A question in a CNN/ORC poll from March 2017 offers a more detailed description of the type of immigrant that should be considered for legal status. It results in a higher favorability rating.

Respondents were asked: "Now, thinking about how the U.S. government should treat illegal immigrants who have been in this country for a number of years, hold a job, speak English and are willing to pay any back taxes that they owe. Would you favor or oppose a bill that allowed those immigrants to stay in this country rather than being deported and eventually allow them to apply for U.S. citizenship?

Ninety percent said they favored such a bill.

Gallup polls

Three Gallup polls in recent years show increasing support for a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. as children.

• A December 2010 Gallup poll found 54 percent of Americans, at that time, supported allowing "illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. as children to gain legal resident status if they join the military or go to college." It found 66 percent of Democrats favored it, while only 34 percent of Republicans backed the idea.

• A July 2015 Gallup poll found 65 percent of U.S. adults favored a plan to allow immigrants who were living illegally in the U.S. to remain in the country and become citizens if they met certain requirements over time.

• One year later, a July 2016 Gallup poll, found 84 percent of U.S. adults favored that idea. Looking at the parties, 91 percent of Democrats and 76 percent of Republicans supported it.

• A previous Politico/Morning Consult poll from April 2017, found 78 percent of respondents backed the idea of a path to citizenship or legal status under certain requirements.

• Explaining his desire to find a legislative solution, President Trump claimed in September 2017 that 92 percent of Americans "agree on DACA," the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. PolitiFact national examined support for the temporary protection program and found high favorability ratings, but not as high as 92 percent. It rated Trump’s claim Half True.

Our rating

Rep. Nancy Pelosi recently said 76 percent of "the American people support us passing the DREAM Act … with citizenship and legalization as part of it all. … More than 60 percent of Republicans support that."

We interpreted the second part of her claim to mean three-quarters of Americans support either a path to citizenship or legal status, particularly for immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children.

A September 2017 poll by Politico/Morning Consult backs up these figures, as does an April 2017 poll by the same group.

Gallup polls from recent years show increasing support for the key points of the DREAM Act, ranging from 54 percent in 2010 to 65 percent in 2015 to 84 percent in 2016.

Additional surveys show about two-thirds to three-quarters of respondents have backed a path to citizenship for immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally, under certain conditions.

Pelosi’s claim is backed up by the polling.

We rate it True.

The majority of Americans both democrat and republican support the dream act in some kind of way. What point are you trying to make?


People do so for a variety of reasons some do them for social/moral issues and others do so because it makes sense economically. Don't believe me, here's an interactive map:


Interactive Map > Center for the Study of Immigrant Integration (CSII) at USC > USC Dana and David Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences


Or for just an overview:

New Study of DACA Beneficiaries Shows Positive Economic and Educational Outcomes - Center for American Progress



Or you can pull some interesting numbers from here:

• A few things that stand out:

• 81% of DACA recipients immediate family members are registered to vote.
• DACA workers wages increased significantly (based on the argument against illegal immigrants this should also raise rates for blacks too...)

• The overwhelming majority of DACA workers have graduated high school, 25% have a bachelors and over half either have a bachelors,associate or are working towards it.
• The metrics hold true across the spectrum
• The majority of those who registered under DACA are Hispanic/Latino (broad), then Asian, then White, then black

So now that information is out there, what non emotional conversation would you like to have based around facts?

 

[mastermind]

No one in this thread supports Bannon and I dont believe anyone in HL voted for Trump(now that unclehotep and cacplanet are gone).

breh, if you are taking Steve Bannon's views on black people serious and listening to him then you are mentally ill.

 

[DEAD7]

i disagree. trump is a blatant statement by the gop and those who voted or campaigned for him (including the russians) that they would rather break the system than see us take a piece of the pie.

Our oppression continues regardless of who's in power the left or the right.
This focus on the actors really does nothing.
You could literally remove them insert new politicians and change nothing.
Its as if we know our problems are systemic, but we don't understand what systemic means... after Trump they will still exist, get rid of Trump Pence slides in and they still exist... The actors are near meaningless in my opinion.





As to the latter point, what do you have against the breaking of an oppressive system that sees no value in black life?

 

[mastermind]

I have him blocked, but im assuming you all are debating with that confused clown TWIM

 

[Eddy Gordo]

Our oppression continues regardless of who's in power the left or the right.
This focus on the actors really does nothing.
You could literally remove them insert new politicians and change nothing.
Its as if we know our problems are systemic, but we don't understand what systemic means... after Trump they will still exist, get rid of Trump Pence slides in and they still exist... The actors are near meaningless in my opinion

Then why is your answer to a systemic problem, to continue to operate within that system?

 

[DEAD7]

Then why is your answer to a systemic problem, to continue to operate within that system?

My answer is and has always been to shrink/weaken the state... what im suggesting in this thread though is for the black community to create an incentive for Dems to address our issues by not automatically granting them our support/vote.
I'm unclear though, are you against that?

 

[qashif]

how many black Democratic Senators are in Congress?

 

[Eddy Gordo]

My answer is and has always been to shrink/weaken the state... what im suggesting in this thread though is for the black community to create an incentive for Dems to address our issues by not automatically granting them our support/vote.
I'm unclear though, are you against that?

I disagree with the methods moreso than the outcome.

When you talk about the methods to achieve most of your goals politically I just make the face as I read. It's like you find the most ass backward way to attempt success.

 

[theworldismine13]

You're being disingenuous here with these blanket statements. By the numbers:

Nancy Pelosi claims 76% of Americans support the DREAM Act




The majority of Americans both democrat and republican support the dream act in some kind of way. What point are you trying to make?


People do so for a variety of reasons some do them for social/moral issues and others do so because it makes sense economically. Don't believe me, here's an interactive map:


Interactive Map > Center for the Study of Immigrant Integration (CSII) at USC > USC Dana and David Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences


Or for just an overview:

New Study of DACA Beneficiaries Shows Positive Economic and Educational Outcomes - Center for American Progress



Or you can pull some interesting numbers from here:

• A few things that stand out:

• 81% of DACA recipients immediate family members are registered to vote.
• DACA workers wages increased significantly (based on the argument against illegal immigrants this should also raise rates for blacks too...)

• The overwhelming majority of DACA workers have graduated high school, 25% have a bachelors and over half either have a bachelors,associate or are working towards it.
• The metrics hold true across the spectrum
• The majority of those who registered under DACA are Hispanic/Latino (broad), then Asian, then White, then black

So now that information is out there, what non emotional conversation would you like to have based around facts?

I have no clue as to what you are trying to prove

Are you suggesting that black people will be motivated to vote for the Democrats because they are promoting the dream act?

Are you disputing that only 1% of daca is black?