Steve Bannon Speaks At "Black Americans For A Better Future Summit"

[theworldismine13]

Illegal immigrant isn't a racial construct.


I've always said that black people should run for office and liberal policies help black people more than hurt them. I'm also pro labor rights. That's completely at odds with conservatives.

Every time we have one of these threads y'all think it's c00ning to be honest.

But let's not waste time, look at the most conservative states and cities and look at how black people are performing.

Actually illegal immigration is very much a racial construct

I think you are missing the point, you said that that black people should not expect anything specific for black people

You need to reconcile that statement with your being adamant about voting democrat

 

[Pressure]

The reactionary views I see on politics

Actually illegal immigration is very much a racial construct

I think you are missing the point, you said that that black people should not expect anything specific for black people

You need to reconcile that statement with your being adamant about voting democrat

There's nothing to reconcile. The dream act covers immigrants of all races.

Similar to how programs that help minorities also help women and as a result black women get a double dipping. Affirmative Action?

 

[DEAD7]

Wouldn't a better strategy be to run or encourage people to run instead of hoping a candidate you agree with will show up?

Dems need black support. We should leverage it for our benefit.
Being willing to vote Republican or 3rd party when our issues are not being addressed by Democrats creates an incentive to represent us that doesnt exist right now.

Simply giving them the vote because the other guys "worse" while black wealth evaporates, and incarceration rates remain insane is in my opinion suicide.

 

[Pressure]

We have this conversation over and over. Let's save me. Some time.

White racism was a large factor for people choosing Trump as their candidate.

Low voter turnout is why she lost in key areas and they can be directly attributed to what I listed.

Nice try though.

ain't nothing to learn.

Increased voter turnout is a better target than trying to flip voters.


Also, hoteps...

I'm glad you brought this up. I was talking to a republican strategist here in Charlotte and he was talking what they need to win the Charlotte mayorship and City Council seats.

He said rather quickly, "Low voter turnout. Our base pretty much always comes out."

to give some perspective, high turnout KS around 15.6 percent in the city of Charlotte for local elections.

I want to say only 5-8 percent voted in the primaries.

THAT IS LESS THAN THE BLACK POPULATION.

if black people voted at a high clip during the primaries we basically get to pick our representation.

This is a strategist. Charlotte is a democratic city. He didn't shyt on his base. He said his base always comes out to vote. Lower voter turnout means less liberal voters. Meaning more conservative victories.

Local and state elections affect blacks more than any presidential election.

Not voting or only voting every 4 years are both bad practice.

I'm disengaging from this.

Okay...well how does not voting change that?

“If you are bored and disgusted by politics and don't bother to vote, you are in effect voting for the entrenched Establishments of the two major parties, who please rest assured are not dumb, and who are keenly aware that it is in their interests to keep you disgusted and bored and cynical and to give you every possible reason to stay at home doing one-hitters and watching MTV on primary day. By all means stay home if you want, but don't bullshyt yourself that you're not voting. In reality, there is no such thing as not voting: you either vote by voting, or you vote by staying home and tacitly doubling the value of some Diehard's vote.”
-David Foster Wallace

 

[Pressure]

Dems need black support. We should leverage it for our benefit.
Being willing to vote Republican or 3rd party when our issues are not being addressed by Democrats creates an incentive to represent us that doesnt exist right now.

Simply giving them the vote because the other guys "worse" while black wealth evaporates, and incarceration rates remain insane is in my opinion suicide.

Dems really only need to black support in more conservative, rural, racist areas.

They gain nothing by not voting and they gain nothing by voting for racists.

If black people aren't getting what they want from their politicians they should run and press the issue. Complaining about what candidates you're given us a very juvenile approach to politics.

 

[acri1]

Fair enough, but what we have now is blatant neglect... surely you see the problem with automatically giving our vote to a party that is doing nothing for us?Exploring other options(3rd parties included) should definitely be on the table.

Because you have to be pragmatic.

One party goes out of its way to antagonize black people (they have been and still are using the southern strategy) and pretty much runs on racial resentment. The other party is basically just the status quo. It'd be nice if there was a better option but it's better for black people if Democrats are in power than if Republicans are and that's really all it comes down to. Considering Republicans already control every level of government anyway, voting 3rd party right now only helps them.

The Dems aren't perfect or even good but they're still more likely to support policies that are better for the black community (such as criminal justice reform and ending the drug war) than Republicans.

 

[SuperNintendo Chalmers]

Dems need black support. We should leverage it for our benefit.
Being willing to vote Republican or 3rd party when our issues are not being addressed by Democrats creates an incentive to represent us that doesnt exist right now.

Simply giving them the vote because the other guys "worse" while black wealth evaporates, and incarceration rates remain insane is in my opinion suicide.

Man I love my community but we are so politically immature and unsophisticated.

There are no permanent enemies or friends in politics. Only agendas and interests.

We get caught up in this Dem vs Repubs, white liberal vs white conservative shyt too much. We act like we enjoy the full rights of citizenship instead of recognizing that we are second class citizens and need to make alliances when needed, leverage our political power to make material gains via public policy and administrative rules.

 

[SuperNintendo Chalmers]

And of course there will be overlap in ideologies when it comes to white and black nationalists.

The fukk you think nationalism is?

 

[Pressure]

We act like we enjoy the full rights of citizenship instead of recognizing that we are second class citizens

 

[DEAD7]

If black people aren't getting what they want from their politicians they should run and press the issue. Complaining about what candidates you're given us a very juvenile approach to politics.

I think I see some bootstraps on your perspective




This suggest an agency blacks simply dont have... and the first step is getting blacks to realize we are being slowly bushed blindly supporting Dems



edit: And your whole position hinges on there being a non racist side of the coin we will have to agree to disagree on your "good whites" theory.

 

[Pressure]

I think I see some bootstraps on your perspective




This suggest an agency blacks simply dont have... and the first step is getting blacks to realize we are being slowly bushed blindly supporting Dems

Conservatives do more harm than democrats. Stop it.

And politically everyone should be self-interested. If you're not a felon, you're pretty much free to run in most elections.


But like I said, if you feel like black people aren't getting what we need from politicians then the logical next step is to run candidates and vote. Voting isn't bootstraps.

 

[DEAD7]

Because you have to be pragmatic.

One party goes out of its way to antagonize black people (they have been and still are using the southern strategy) and pretty much runs on racial resentment. The other party is basically just the status quo. It'd be nice if there was a better option but it's better for black people if Democrats are in power than if Republicans are and that's really all it comes down to. Considering Republicans already control every level of government anyway, voting 3rd party right now only helps them.

The Dems aren't perfect or even good but they're still more likely to support policies that are better for the black community (such as criminal justice reform and ending the drug war) than Republicans.

The idea is that the Democratic Party would be better if they had to work for our vote, and they would certainly have to if we switched sides.


To be honest I didnt expect so much push back from a make them earn our vote argument... pure GoP hate must be fueling this, cause it doesnt make any since.







Sidenote: Dems are all lip service on ending the drug war... blacks should have jumped on the Ron Paul train.

 

[DEAD7]

And politically everyone should be self-interested. If you're not a felon, you're pretty much free to run in most elections.


But like I said, if you feel like black people aren't getting what we need from politicians then the logical next step is to run candidates and vote. Voting isn't bootstraps.

 

[acri1]

The idea is that the Democratic Party would be better if they had to work for our vote, and they would certainly have to if we switched sides.


To be honest I didnt expect so much push back from a make them earn our vote argument... pure GoP hate must be fueling this, cause it doesnt make any since.







Sidenote: Dems are all lip service on ending the drug war... blacks should have jumped on the Ron Paul train.

So we're just gonna completely ignore the GOP (and why most black people don't want them in power) and only talk about the Democrats?

 

[Reality Check]

Maybe Democrats will actually pass policies that advance blacks without our guaranteed support.

That would involve Dems having a legitimate say in this. Republicans control White House, Senate, and House of Representatives. Dems can't pass anything without Republican support, and any Republican who works across the aisle is branded a RINO or would worry about facing the wrath of Breitbart.