Steve Smith: What happened to the 2 guard position?

[Blade]

There are really only 3 positions in the NBA - guards, wings and bigs. The traditional 5 PG,SG,SF,PF,C lineup is gone.

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

its the 2k effect.


make any player on there that's not a point guard and you getting 13 points, 2 rebounds and 1 assists.



BUT MAKE A POINT GUARD... you getting 45, 15 and 15 every game.

 

[Malta]

Towns,Embiid aint traditional big mens tho......millenial bigs have range...

Only time millenial is a positive word when discussing new age NBA centers.

KG and Tim Duncan weren't really traditional big men either, Timmy used the bank shot from 15 ft and loved taking the top of the key 19-20 footer. KG lived on the 16-20 footer as well, the jumper was a mainstay in their arsenals.


Towns/Embiid play in the post, but they've also extended beyond the "long 2s" that Timmy & KG used to take cause the analytics say it's a bad shot.

 

[Lifer11]

Just my take on it but I think it has a lot to do with small forwards becoming more athletic and better pure scorers. It made it so a lot of teams just need their 2 guard to be a catch and shoot player. If u have a guy who's 6'7-6'10 who's as quick and athletic as most 2 guards and can shoot just as well how can u not run ur offense through them, and have ur 2 guard stand in the corner to spread the floor and hit open shots?

 

[Malta]

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Mudiay has shot 47% from the field in his last 10, which also coincides with when they've started to use Jokic more on the ball, as in Mudiay is playing off the ball more like an SG would.

 

[Miggs]

@Malta What you think about the Raptors going after Favors instead of Millsap,one of the local beat writers has been pushing the idea.

Wont cost you as much and might be able to low ball Utah since they know they dont have the money to pay him along with all there other young players.

 

[GilSho]

How isn't Harden a 2 guard?

 

[TrebleMan]

Death of a shooting guard: Why the position's old form is going extinct

Snippets (can't get rid of the underline):

By that, he explained, he meant that Bryant is the last of the 1980s-90s era perimeter players who could work their opponent into the high post and easily knock down a fadeaway jumper. He could rebound his position and operate as a playmaker when need be, and he could attract the focus of the defense and let the offense revolve around him. Because defenders could manhandle point guards on the perimeter, the task of creating offense was left to more well-rounded shooting guards.

Versatility is no longer a necessity for the position — defenders can’t hand-check anymore, so the game has become more point-guard heavy. The coinciding rise of the 3-point shot has changed the role of shooting guards. Now, they’re mostly just shooters.

The once-venerated shooting guard position has been reduced to those who specialize in winning the 3-point line — the 3-and-D two-guard is ideal, one who can make opponents pay for giving too much attention to the point guard and who can keep other shooters from getting open looks on the other end.
But the direction of the game has been toward specialization of the position, aided by rule changes and changes in offensive strategy. The shooting guard is dead. Long live the shooting guard.

 

[MoneyTron]

Derozan and Klay really two of the only "traditional" SGs left. One plays the traditional spot-up shooter, the other the midrange/slashing-type that MJ molded while being very capable defenders on the other end.

D'Antoni has transformed Harden into a hybrid PG/SG monster. He's still a 2 guard in a sense but really he's the primary everything on offense for the Rockets now.

 

[GPBear]

Aren't they always saying that the positions were made up so fans could keep up anyways?

 

[Malta]

@Malta What you think about the Raptors going after Favors instead of Millsap,one of the local beat writers has been pushing the idea.

Wont cost you as much and might be able to low ball Utah since they know they dont have the money to pay him along with all there other young players.

Favors is a big improvement over Siakam, but he doesn't do much to help your spacing and he's starting to look more like a C than a PF now. The reason why the Jazz seem willing to let him go is cause they like how Lyles works with Gobert on spacing. Millsap is the big target cause of that jumper in addition to his defense, but he just said he wants to stay in Atlanta so maybe going after alternatives (Faried too) might be the answer.

Knowing the Jazz it would probably just take Jakob since he played in Utah

 

[Miggs]

Derozan and Klay really two of the only "traditional" SGs left. One plays the traditional spot-up shooter, the other the midrange/slashing-type that MJ molded while being very capable defenders on the other end.

D'Antoni has transformed Harden into a hybrid PG/SG monster. He's still a 2 guard in a sense but really he's the primary everything on offense for the Rockets now.

I have defended DeRozan for 5 years but hes never been even a decent or capable defender...he just dont care about defense because he clearly has the footwork or athleticism to be good...he lets guys waltz by him with ease.

 

[#1 pick]

We truly seeing the return of the SG position where it was mainly a position where everyone was a shooter. Michael Jordan changed what a SG was in the 90s. In the 80s, teams were calling him a small SF and a PG and he was compared to Dr. J

 

[UpAndComing]

Favors is a big improvement over Siakam, but he doesn't do much to help your spacing and he's starting to look more like a C than a PF now. The reason why the Jazz seem willing to let him go is cause they like how Lyles works with Gobert on spacing. Millsap is the big target cause of that jumper in addition to his defense, but he just said he wants to stay in Atlanta so maybe going after alternatives (Faried too) might be the answer.

Knowing the Jazz it would probably just take Jakob since he played in Utah

I wouldn't mind Favors on the Raptors

I know he limits spacing, but the amount of rebounds Valenciunes (sp?) and Favors can give the Raptors would be amazing. It's similar to Gasol and Bynum on the Lakers back in 2009/2010. Just play bully ball. Cavs do lack in size A TAD. So they can exploit that

 

[UpAndComing]

We truly seeing the return of the SG position where it was mainly a position where everyone was a shooter. Michael Jordan changed what a SG was in the 90s. In the 80s, teams were calling him a small SF and a PG and he was compared to Dr. J

Nah I think Earl "the peal" Monroe changed the idea of what a shooting guard was. And Dave Thompson (Jordan's idol)