Stock > Zeke

[OneManGang]

Bullshyt. He couldn't even score when his team needed him to do it the most. You take prime Isiah and put him on those Jazz teams that went to the Finals and they come away with one of those. That's when Utah needed Stockton to step his scoring up.

You have a good point here. Im not saying Stockton was AI or anything, but i think his offensive output kind of gets downplayed due to his pass first nature, and his role in Jerry Sloan's offensive schemes.

 

[Majestic Pape]

Actually ya he did, from 89-93 Isaiah and the Pistons couldnt get by Mike and the Bulls. MJ basically ended the Bad Boys era. They won those rings IMO at a time when the NBA was going through a changing of the guard as the Celtics and Lakers dynasties were ending.

You do realize the Pistons won titles in 1989 and 1990, right? This fukking guy.

And how are you going to say the Pistons didn't win until the Lakers/Celtics dynasties ended, but give credit to the Bulls, who didn't win until the Pistons started to fall off? Isiah was the guy stopping Jordan from winning earlier in his career.

And I don't see how you can shyt on the titles the Pistons won to try to prop up a guy who DIDN'T win titles.... especially when the Pistons did it by beating down the young, close-to-prime version of the old guys who stopped the Jazz from winning.

 

[MoneyTron]

Actually ya he did, from 89-93 Isaiah and the Pistons couldnt get by Mike and the Bulls. MJ basically ended the Bad Boys era. They won those rings IMO at a time when the NBA was going through a changing of the guard as the Celtics and Lakers dynasties were ending.

Don't talk about basketball on here ever again pleighboi.

 

[OneManGang]

You do realize the Pistons won titles in 1989 and 1990, right? This fukking guy.

And how are you going to say the Pistons didn't win until the Lakers/Celtics dynasties ended, but give credit to the Bulls, who didn't win until the Pistons started to fall off?

ya thats a neg rep. I meant 89 and 90. In the years 90 - 93 they still played well but couldnt reach the Finals again. Sorry. But the rest of my point remains.

Good point also, but i say it that way bc Larry Bird was past it at that point for the Celts, and the Lakers had an aging Kareem Abdul Jabar. Pistons had a relatively younger squad but couldnt keep up with the Bulls anymore.

EDIT: All im saying is the ring argument is a weak one when comparing the two guys, who i think are neck and neck.

 

[OneManGang]

At least i admitted i messed up and didnt edit it like a bytch. Dam, you nikkas dont make mistakes? lol,

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

Actually ya he did, from 89-93 Isaiah and the Pistons couldnt get by Mike and the Bulls. MJ basically ended the Bad Boys era. They won those rings IMO at a time when the NBA was going through a changing of the guard as the Celtics and Lakers dynasties were ending.

nikka are you from Salt Lake City?

 

[OneManGang]

nikka are you from Salt Lake City?

shyt was like 24 years ago and i was off by a fukkin year.
Can i have a serious debate with you nikkas? Its not like im saying Zeke is garbage. Dam

 

[Street Knowledge]

They're both overrated, but Zeke was way better. Stockton was never a superstar like that, and hes the reason the Jazz lost in the playoffs in the second half of the 90's he could never step up And provide the 2nd scorer Malone needed. All those big APG years Never added up to any type of playoff success. I find it interesting when they took the ball out of his hands more in the late 90's is when the Jazz had their biggest years success wise

As for Zeke he Gets WAAAAY to much credit for those Last 2 titles, and he was nowhere as regarded during the late 80's as people say in retrospect. Not in any All NBA teams of MVP voting

 

[Street Knowledge]

It was kindoff a transition era when the pistons won. La was almost done and they were injured in the 89' finals. The celtics were Larry Holmes status and the bulls weren't good yet. Once the Bulls put a squad around mike The bad boys were finished

 

[OneManGang]

They're both overrated, but Zeke was way better. Stockton was never a superstar like that, and hes the reason the Jazz lost in the playoffs in the second half of the 90's he could never step up And provide the 2nd scorer Malone needed. All those big APG years Never added up to any type of playoff success. I find it interesting when they took the ball out of his hands more in the late 90's is when the Jazz had their biggest years success wise

As for Zeke he Gets WAAAAY to much credit for those Last 2 titles, and he was nowhere as regarded during the late 80's as people say in retrospect. Not in any All NBA teams of MVP voting

It was kindoff a transition era when the pistons won. La was almost done and they were injured in the 89' finals. The celtics were Larry Holmes status and the bulls weren't good yet. Once the Bulls put a squad around mike The bad boys were finished

Pos Rep, dap. You basically said what i was trying to say, but went a lil overboard with the "over rated" part. Both are legends, but i think Zeke is being a little too hyped in here as far as his place in history over Stockton.

 

[Street Knowledge]

If you listen to nikkaz you'd think isiah was a serious MVP Canidate year in year out, or Consistent all NBA First team guy(of all nba period) and he was never that.

He lead the pistons nowhere when he was putting up big numbers and when he got the most stacked teams in the NBA and won titles where the gap between him and Dumars was smaller them the gap between every other 1A and 1B on title squads. Hes a HOFamer and had BIG BIG time clutch Gene but people make it seem like he was right behind Jordan/bird/magic in terms of best players In the 80's and I'm like

 

[verbaltelekinesis]

Actually ya he did, from 89-93 Isaiah and the Pistons couldnt get by Mike and the Bulls. MJ basically ended the Bad Boys era. They won those rings IMO at a time when the NBA was going through a changing of the guard as the Celtics and Lakers dynasties were ending.

The Pistons won back to back championships in 89 and 90. WTF are you talking about?

 

[OneManGang]

The Pistons won back to back championships in 89 and 90. WTF are you talking about?

you late fam, check the last few posts i made. It was an honest mistake, but the rest of my post rings true. MJ ended the Bad Boys era. 91-93.

 

[manyfaces]

nikkas gonna think what nikkas gonna think, like Bird was past his prime in 87 when the Pistons eliminated them. Or the didn't lose the finals that years on phantom foul call by Laimbeer on Kareem. Let's not try to discredit Zeek and those Bad Boys teams accomplishments to prop up Stockton. If anybody's team success can be discredited by facing other aging teams, it's moreso the Jazz than Pistons. They didn't become a real contender until Hakeem, Barkley, and Drexler were either out of the league or on the extreme downside of their careers. In fact in 87-90, probably Stockton and Malone's greatest years statistically, they were losing in conference playoffs, once in the first as 2 seed, while the Pistons were winning championships.


And lets stop the myth of Stockton being a great defender. He was crafty and dirty with some quick hands, but he was never a great one on one defender.

I'm not shytting on Stockton in any way, but some of you are twisting the narrative of these 2 players stories to support your point. Ultimately I guess it comes down to your preference of what you want in your pg. Some like the pass first types who run the offense to a t. I think being a pg, a floor general, is more than just knowing when to set somebody else up. A general, in addition to knowing when to defer, also knows when they need to attack and when to incite the troops, something Isiah excelled at.

Zeek...That's my pg.

 

[Real Talk of NY]

Reading this thread you'd think Isiah won all them chips all by himself. Like he didnt play with Joe Dumars, Lambier, Aguirre, Rodman.

Utah just had Stockton and Malone and a bunch of white dudes.

nikkas gonna keep ignoring this

look at their stats in 91- 92

Stock
16ppg 48% 14 dimes 3 steals

Isiah
18ppg 44% 7 dimes 1 steal