straight black men are being silenced

[Supper]

Not sure if I'm reading this chart right. OP said that he wanted to hear more of a perspective from the average blue collar black man. I wasn't sure if he was saying that he simply wanted to hear more from that perspective because its representative of him and the men that he knows or because he thinks the average black man is blue collar.

So my question was, is the average black man blue collar, not if black men were more likely compared to other races to be blue collar. Those are two different questions.

But according to your chart, more black men are white collar. Which could also mean that we can make a correlation to education levels and lifestyle.

I don't think it's accurate to assume that he was implying that the average black man is blue collar. But, was simply referring to the average blue collar black man trying to survive, which is a largely unheard perspective in and outside of our community, despite making up a large portion of the black male working population.

I only bring up the point because the OP appears to be tired of the dominant narrative and how the media caters to a certain narrative. Most middle-class and educated people will be a bit more tolerant and accepting of gays and their rights than blue collar and lower class people (not true always, especially when you include the religion factor). So if there is a predominance of middle-class men and women in the black community, rightly or wrongly, those are going to be the people that carry the narrative and that is what the mainstream media is going to cater to.

I also, don't think it's accurate to make this an issue of whether or not he respects people's human rights, either. Because I'm fairly sure the OP isn't denying anyone's right do as they please with whomever consenting adult they want. Nor is it accurate to assume that most "blue collar and/or lower class people" would either. Most are simply too concerned with surviving to give a hoot about how someone chooses to live their own personal life.

Now what is probably largely missing from the collective consciousness of "blue collar lower class" folks is the adoption of lgbt/gender/sexuality/intersectional theoretical principles that specifically caters to special lgbt interest academically, socially, politically, and in the media, that people who have been university educated, especially in liberal arts and social science fields in most western nations would be exposed to and be more likely to adopt. Which I would argue is something no one is morally obligated to do, as it not a matter of people's human rights, but simply the special interest of a specific group, and that there's A LOT of flaws and hypocrisies in that set of theories and practices, despite how popular and prevailing it is. But, whether or not they do is totally separate than not simply respecting people's personal autonomous rights.

In the same sense that I don't need to subscribe to academic feminism to respect women's autonomous human rights.

 

[EndDomination]

Do you think a hetero movement of black men uniting would be a good or bad thing? I dont need an explanation, just a yes or a no....

Depends on what nikkas are uniting for.

 

[dongameister]

Y'all act like black women don't care about black men. That's clearly not the case. Black women are our biggest ally.

I thougt white gays are their biggest ally according to time.com?

 

[dongameister]

other than sexual oreintation, straight black men and gay black men have the same set of experiences. How about a movemwnt that empowers black boys regardless of their sexual orentation? This doesn't mean tou have to call your self an intersectionalist and retweet amber philips.

 

[dongameister]

I know MGTOW is some alt Right I can't get p*ssy nonsense. shyt is comical

mgtow is the cousin of incels

 

[dongameister]

what is a movement of hetero black men gonna talk about? how dumbass feminists on social media speak negatively about hetero black men? Good luck getting support for that. black men do need a movement but it should beyond the mess you see on social media. And it shouldnt be antagonistic.

 

[Lotsford]

The Rekia Boyd incident happened in 2012. Years before the issue of police brutality of black people became hit the mainstream with the ferguson incident. And Rekia Boyd has had several events held in her honor even until recently, and there's currently a long running regular charity food drive in Chicago called "Rekia's Ride" set up by black MEN of New Era Chicago.

Black females made up %4 of black people kill by cops, and %5 of unarmed black people killed in 2017, and of course black males make up %96 & %95 respectively.

Only a TINY minority of black men killed by police in America result in riots. The extremely rare cases in which riots do happen is due to the culmination of pre-existing tensions between those communities and the corrupt police, the real time nature in which it happened, and the collective disenfranchisement of those underprivileged communities in which many of the members feel they have nothing to lose.

None of the 217 black men killed by police last year in 2017 resulted in a riot.



I'm sorry, but this is pure textbook black female pandering rhetorical nonsense.

Black women, by and large, do and always have been loyal to and looked after their own interest first even if at the expense of black men and boys, and many times they specifically seek to launch attacks on us over anyone else.

So, white women are disloyal to white men, the benevolent, noble, protectors, and providers that they are, while black women are so fiercely loyal to black men, the selfish, lowly, inept, good-for-nothing, scrubs that we are, huh. If only perfect black women had the flawless white men for mates, they'd be unstoppable, almost as if they were made for each other, right. I think i know where this is going.............

Basically, in the mist of all of the "wokeness", subliminally denigrate & vilify the women of the white community and the men of the black community while romanticizing the men of the white community and the women of the black community to build some kind of strange camaraderie between bw & wm(they also frequently do this with asian men, as well)- One of the many common, ridiculous, brain-dead, narratives put forth by a certain segment of the anti-bm, racist, misandrist black female collective. The kind of bs you find on LSA, swirler forums, and those IRBW fictional romance novels.

Speaking of which- Where's white women's anti-wm swirling movement? Where are white women calling for the genocide of white male babies via abortion? Where are white women writing articles labeling white men as terrorist? Where's white women bashing wm and the white community, talking about divesting from "crackerstan"?

shyt, white women will, by and large, voted against ANOTHER WHITE FEMINIST WOMAN, in favor of a clearly sexist white male who's alleged to have sexually assaulted many white women, which is how our president got into office. Black women would never vote for a black man over ANY black woman, let alone a black feminist women, especially if that black man was blatantly sexist and has alleged to sexually assault black women in the past.

^^^All of that and those white men in the alt-right movement still treat them like shyt.
Alt-right women are upset that alt-right men are treating them terribl

White women are clearly FAR more loyal to white men than black women are to black men. But, I'm not asking black women for their loyalty(not that they would ever give it). I just believe that black AA men need to be more conscious of our distinct issues that affect us internally in our community, particularly when it comes in conflict with non-AA blacks, black women, and black lgbt as well as externally, and look after them first and foremost.

So Angela Davis, Assata Shakur, Elaine Brown, Ella Baker, Catylyn Cleaver, and all the other women instrumental to black liberation were only in it for themselves at the expenses of men and boys? Angela Davis championed and continuing to champion prisoner's rights which is an overwhelming male issue. Mahalia Jackson would go using her talent of singing during the Civil Rights movement to help with the funding of Dr. King's efforts. You're saying all of these women who helped with the movement, stood side by side with black men getting hosed down and standing with them with guns were only in it for themselves at the expanse of black men?

It's not an issue of "black men are inept" and such. But I believe there are some biological truths when it comes to women. They are hypergamous by nature. In a white supremacist patriarchy, white men are the dominant figure in general society. Asian women are a good example of hypergamous tendencies in such a system. As of 2015 they marry out at a rate of 34%. Asian men 24%. They consider Asian men "herbivore men" and idealize white men in a true sense. Black women were 12%, that's about 3 times less. That is a much better example of a group of women who blatantly care nothing about their men or their race. Black women have not displayed this level of hypergamy even though they outperform black men academically and aren't the main victims of school to prison pipelines. Wenches and swirlers reading books shouldn't be the indicator of this.

As far as voting statistics you're probably right about voting a black woman over a black man that's not saying anything. The men would vote for the men too. Also a black man has already been president. But white women's support of Trump over Clinton has major external factors at play. The West is going through a period of right wing resurgence. White women voting for Trump is them upholding their status as white women. America was also the most barbaric form of slavery and racism in the West. White nationalism had a stronger pull than feminism this election. And that doesn't account for Hillary being a shyt candidate altogether. Even then it was a 53% majority Trump. When Clinton ran against Obama in the 2008 primaries, black women voted for Clinton 15% and black men 12%, smallest gender gap between any of the races.

There is a clear gender gap in support of Clinton in these data. White
women were more likely than white men to vote for Clinton (61% vs.
49%), and Latinas were more likely than Latino males to vote for her
(66% vs. 56%). There was a much smaller gender gap in support for
Clinton among blacks (12% of males vs. 15% of females).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjASegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw0jlvOUoB883xJ1vDrH_xR8




About that whole "speaking of which" though.

White feminists are the loudest ones in the mainstream talking about "white cis men are trash" The tweets with sentiments going viral talking about "Call him what he is, a White Christian Radical Terrorist" whenever some shyt happens, white women are on that wave so so heavy.

But more importantly the disloyalty of white women is deeper than that.





The first thing you must understand is that the driving force of white supremacy (when take away the economic aspect), is white generic survival.

White liberal women are the reason Western European genetics will be a memory in less than 5 generations. The whole reason Trump won and why right wing support has jumped all across Europe recently is because of the immigration crisis. This is an issue championed strongly by white women in the Western World.

You can only make a white child with two white parents. White people are 5% of the global population. They are having birth rates below replacement level.

This massive influx of non white people into Europe under these conditions could cause the end of whiteness as we currently know it. Especially when some of them come from cultures where you take multiple wives. White women don't care about this.

Angela Merkel to them is an example of how white women have caused the fall of Europe.

Fertility rate in Germany rises to 33-year high

Immigration was a key factor in Germany’s reversal of the declining rates of the 1990s. Among women with German citizenship, birthrates rose from 1.42 to just 1.43 in the years 2014 to 2015. For women with non-German citizenship based in Germany, however, rates in the same period rose from 1.86 to 1.95.


Sweden's deputy PM crying because the country can't take in any more refugees. They are a self proclaimed feminist government.

Sweden's deputy prime minister cries while announcing refugee U-turn



The growing alt right cites these reasons for saying women cannot be trusted because they have no in group loyalty. They say giving them the right to vote was a mistake for the survival of the race.

The Coli loves to scream about wenches but women have signs saying "free hugs and kisses" for refugees in Europe. This is what race betrayal looks like. It's not reading a book.




Black women are not like this. They aren't like Asian women. What Dave Chapelle said in The Bird Revelation is true.

http://scrapsfromtheloft.com/2018/01/03/dave-chappelle-the-bird-revelation-2017-full-transcript/

A lot of black dudes haven’t been getting “me too-ed.” I don’t want to jinx myself. You know why, though? Obviously, black women go through the same thing, right? The reason is because black women from slavery won’t tell on us. Because they know that no matter how bad we black dudes are, white dudes are very mean. They’re scared to see us get punished. My wife is Asian. She’d tell on me in a goddamn second. [laughing] [laughs] Ain’t no fukking up in the Chappelle household.

 

[Kerkum]

other than sexual oreintation, straight black men and gay black men have the same set of experiences. How about a movemwnt that empowers black boys regardless of their sexual orentation? This doesn't mean tou have to call your self an intersectionalist and retweet amber philips.

Exactly. This is so stupid, nikkas think cause I’m gay that means I’m immune to white supremacy or some shyt. Most people can’t tell I’m gay anyways but they are my blackness.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

So Angela Davis, Assata Shakur, Elaine Brown, Ella Baker, Catylyn Cleaver, and all the other women instrumental to black liberation were only in it for themselves at the expenses of men and boys? Angela Davis championed and continuing to champion prisoner's rights which is an overwhelming male issue. Mahalia Jackson would go using her talent of singing during the Civil Rights movement to help with the funding of Dr. King's efforts. You're saying all of these women who helped with the movement, stood side by side with black men getting hosed down and standing with them with guns were only in it for themselves at the expanse of black men?

It's not an issue of "black men are inept" and such. But I believe there are some biological truths when it comes to women. They are hypergamous by nature. In a white supremacist patriarchy, white men are the dominant figure in general society. Asian women are a good example of hypergamous tendencies in such a system. As of 2015 they marry out at a rate of 34%. Asian men 24%. They consider Asian men "herbivore men" and idealize white men in a true sense. Black women were 12%, that's about 3 times less. That is a much better example of a group of women who blatantly care nothing about their men or their race. Black women have not displayed this level of hypergamy even though they outperform black men academically and aren't the main victims of school to prison pipelines. Wenches and swirlers reading books shouldn't be the indicator of this.

As far as voting statistics you're probably right about voting a black woman over a black man that's not saying anything. The men would vote for the men too. Also a black man has already been president. But white women's support of Trump over Clinton has major external factors at play. The West is going through a period of right wing resurgence. White women voting for Trump is them upholding their status as white women. America was also the most barbaric form of slavery and racism in the West. White nationalism had a stronger pull than feminism this election. And that doesn't account for Hillary being a shyt candidate altogether. Even then it was a 53% majority Trump. When Clinton ran against Obama in the 2008 primaries, black women voted for Clinton 15% and black men 12%, smallest gender gap between any of the races.

There is a clear gender gap in support of Clinton in these data. White
women were more likely than white men to vote for Clinton (61% vs.
49%), and Latinas were more likely than Latino males to vote for her
(66% vs. 56%). There was a much smaller gender gap in support for
Clinton among blacks (12% of males vs. 15% of females).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjASegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw0jlvOUoB883xJ1vDrH_xR8




About that whole "speaking of which" though.

White feminists are the loudest ones in the mainstream talking about "white cis men are trash" The tweets with sentiments going viral talking about "Call him what he is, a White Christian Radical Terrorist" whenever some shyt happens, white women are on that wave so so heavy.

But more importantly the disloyalty of white women is deeper than that.





The first thing you must understand is that the driving force of white supremacy (when take away the economic aspect), is white generic survival.

White liberal women are the reason Western European genetics will be a memory in less than 5 generations. The whole reason Trump won and why right wing support has jumped all across Europe recently is because of the immigration crisis. This is an issue championed strongly by white women in the Western World.

You can only make a white child with two white parents. White people are 5% of the global population. They are having birth rates below replacement level.

This massive influx of non white people into Europe under these conditions could cause the end of whiteness as we currently know it. Especially when some of them come from cultures where you take multiple wives. White women don't care about this.

Angela Merkel to them is an example of how white women have caused the fall of Europe.

Fertility rate in Germany rises to 33-year high

Immigration was a key factor in Germany’s reversal of the declining rates of the 1990s. Among women with German citizenship, birthrates rose from 1.42 to just 1.43 in the years 2014 to 2015. For women with non-German citizenship based in Germany, however, rates in the same period rose from 1.86 to 1.95.


Sweden's deputy PM crying because the country can't take in any more refugees. They are a self proclaimed feminist government.

Sweden's deputy prime minister cries while announcing refugee U-turn



The growing alt right cites these reasons for saying women cannot be trusted because they have no in group loyalty. They say giving them the right to vote was a mistake for the survival of the race.

The Coli loves to scream about wenches but women have signs saying "free hugs and kisses" for refugees in Europe. This is what race betrayal looks like. It's not reading a book.




Black women are not like this. They aren't like Asian women. What Dave Chapelle said in The Bird Revelation is true.

DAVE CHAPPELLE: THE BIRD REVELATION (2017) - Full Transcript - Scraps from the loft

A lot of black dudes haven’t been getting “me too-ed.” I don’t want to jinx myself. You know why, though? Obviously, black women go through the same thing, right? The reason is because black women from slavery won’t tell on us. Because they know that no matter how bad we black dudes are, white dudes are very mean. They’re scared to see us get punished. My wife is Asian. She’d tell on me in a goddamn second. [laughing] [laughs] Ain’t no fukking up in the Chappelle household.

1.We are talking about present times. None of those people you listed would be familiar to a new wave feminist outside of use for a list or reading recommendation in a "debate". What would be the point in bringing them up now? I could easily list black men, but there's no point: It isn't relevant right now. Stay within the parameters of the original conversation? You can try.
2.You just made a white genocide (lol) post on a black website. Where did you get this info? Why is this relevant to Black Americans? You don't have to, I know where. It's not relevant by the furthest stretch of the imagination.
3.A comedian's anecdote isn't factual. It's called "playing up the crowd". Data is useful, you should do more research outside of your sphere of comfort. It's okay to be wrong. We're all wrong sometimes.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Exactly. This is so stupid, nikkas think cause I’m gay that means I’m immune to white supremacy or some shyt. Most people can’t tell I’m gay anyways but they are my blackness.

No, it means you put your behavioral group before your race; alignment with folks who are only trying to get a better seat at the table.
Since you're here, tell us all about:
Bug Parties
Underage "trade"
and other things that y'all do that you think folks aren't aware of...since we're generalizing with a broad stroke brush.
Who started the old "dl" witch hunt? The same people you think have your back because you both black and may enjoy the company of men? Smarten up and get over being called mean names.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

The gay black women running BLM don't give a flying fukk about heterosexual black men. Stop with the general bullshyt points.

Those hoes representing BLM don't even represent the typical black female.

The person decided to list black female civil rights pioneers from the 60s...to prove a point. Your post bodied the concept before it got off the ground but the person still tried anyway. Strange. Posts from this thread will be chopped up, misconstrued, and distributed on a few other sites...that WE ain't on. Hyperagency.

 

[Gravity]

other than sexual oreintation, straight black men and gay black men have the same set of experiences. How about a movemwnt that empowers black boys regardless of their sexual orentation? This doesn't mean tou have to call your self an intersectionalist and retweet amber philips.

This is disingenuous because you’re not acknowledging the fact that white society is deliberately trying to promote homosexuality on to blacks. You’re also not acknowledging the fact that white society treats black boys differently based on their sexuality as well. You basically want us to ignore the agenda to promote homosexuality on our boys(and girls) which actually makes you complicit with it.

Yes there are blacks who are gay and they should be included in our fight for empowerment. That doesn’t mean that we can’t push back against the gay agenda while promoting heterosexuality at the same time tho. We should accept gay blacks because they’re black not because they’re gay.

We have to accept harsh truths and let go of this white liberalism shyt. Homosexuality(the white liberal alternative lifestyle agenda altogether) is detrimental to rebuilding a community. I know that whites have made that politically incorrect, but it’s the truth. We had to rebuild the black family which is man-woman+children. The promotion of homosexuality acceptance directly contradicts that.

Again, I’m not saying that gay blacks shouldn’t be accepted. I am saying that the promotion of that orientation/lifestyle shouldn’t be accepted. I say that homosexuality is just like recreational drug use. Sure there are those how engage in it but that doesn’t mean that it’s a lifestyle that should promoted on the public because it breeds dysfunction.

 

[Lotsford]

1.We are talking about present times. None of those people you listed would be familiar to a new wave feminist outside of use for a list or reading recommendation in a "debate". What would be the point in bringing them up now? I could easily list black men, but there's no point: It isn't relevant right now. Stay within the parameters of the original conversation? You can try.
2.You just made a white genocide (lol) post on a black website. Where did you get this info? Why is this relevant to Black Americans? You don't have to, I know where. It's not relevant by the furthest stretch of the imagination.
3.A comedian's anecdote isn't factual. It's called "playing up the crowd". Data is useful, you should do more research outside of your sphere of comfort. It's okay to be wrong. We're all wrong sometimes.

1. He made the claim black women have always looked out for themselves and their own self interests at the sake of exploiting black men when that is simply not true. This current wave of 3rd wave feminism where college educated black women are championing LGBT rights and stuff is not a situation of black women forsaking men. When Huey Newton gave a speech about why we shouldn't silence and oppress gay people and women was he selling out too? Or did he have enough sense to know the opression of women and gays in black male society is wrong, unsustainable, and causes backlash. When the white trans activists scream about "violence against trans" to push their goals and cite murder statistics, they aren't talking about white ones getting murdered. Of the 26 killed last year, all but 3 were black. Male aggression unless targeted correctly gives them all kinds of avenues to push nonsense. Stop giving them fodder.

Marrying out is closely tied to education level of the group, black women currently outperform men academically yet marry out at half the rate.

2. First off, 2 places. One is Frances Cress Welsing, a black woman who explains this very well. She predicted Trump winning while most people I know thought it was impossible. Is a Trump presidency relevant to black Americans? And why did he win? Why are white power groups recruiting on college campuses and around the county so hard? White genetic survival. The other source is obvious.



It's relevant to black Americans and all black people because unless you know why certain things are happening in Europe you'll stay confused. Why is feminisation of the black man a thing? Why do they call themselves "cucks" as an insult? Why do they want a border wall? It's all about genetic survival. Refugee influx and open borders is mandated by the European Union. They are punishing Hungary for putting up a border barrier. Why would they be so obsessed with that? And why are white women so ok with this? Because they lack in-group loyalty.

Richard Von Coudenhove-Kalergi was the pioneer for what is now known as the European Union. These are his personal views on race in 1925.

Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi - Wikipedia

The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. [...]

3. He's right though. If Rick Ross can go out and say he doesn't sign female artists because he can't stop himself from fukking them, you know there's all kinds of fukked up shyt going on behind the scenes. Data outside the sphere of comfort, look at education rates, domestic violence rates, who marries out more, all signs point to black female loyalty.

 

[Gravity]

1. He made the claim black women have always looked out for themselves and their own self interests at the sake of exploiting black men when that is simply not true. This current wave of 3rd wave feminism where college educated black women are championing LGBT rights and stuff is not a situation of black women forsaking men. When Huey Newton gave a speech about why we shouldn't silence and oppress gay people and women was he selling out too? Or did he have enough sense to know the opression of women and gays in black male society is wrong, unsustainable, and causes backlash. When the white trans activists scream about "violence against trans" to push their goals and cite murder statistics, they aren't talking about white ones getting murdered. Of the 26 killed last year, all but 3 were black. Male aggression unless targeted correctly gives them all kinds of avenues to push nonsense. Stop giving them fodder.

Marrying out is closely tied to education level of the group, black women currently outperform men academically yet marry out at half the rate.

2. First off, 2 places. One is Frances Cress Welsing, a black woman who explains this very well. She predicted Trump winning while most people I know thought it was impossible. Is a Trump presidency relevant to black Americans? And why did he win? Why are white power groups recruiting on college campuses and around the county so hard? White genetic survival. The other source is obvious.



It's relevant to black Americans and all black people because unless you know why certain things are happening in Europe you'll stay confused. Why is feminisation of the black man a thing? Why do they call themselves "cucks" as an insult? Why do they want a border wall? It's all about genetic survival. Refugee influx and open borders is mandated by the European Union. They are punishing Hungary for putting up a border barrier. Why would they be so obsessed with that? And why are white women so ok with this? Because they lack in-group loyalty.

Richard Von Coudenhove-Kalergi was the pioneer for what is now known as the European Union. These are his personal views on race in 1925.

Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi - Wikipedia

The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. [...]

3. He's right though. If Rick Ross can go out and say he doesn't sign female artists because he can't stop himself from fukking them, you know there's all kinds of fukked up shyt going on behind the scenes. Data outside the sphere of comfort, look at education rates, domestic violence rates, who marries out more, all signs point to black female loyalty.

It’s ironic that you post videos of Frances Cress Welsing because she contradicts all the shyt you’re saying in favor of gay acceptance. I don’t think that anybody condones the oppression of subset of blacks but there’s a huge middle ground between oppression and promotion. LGBT advocates like to paint anybody who’s not down with the promotion of those lifestyles with being oppressors of those lifestyles. That’s very dishonest. Just because I do t think that smoking frack should be promoted doesn’t mean that I think that black crackheads should be oppressed.

Interracial marriage is a 2-way street. If it were just up to black women their IR marriage rates would be much much higher. Even with the racial politics as they are with white women being at the top of the desireabikitt hierarchy and black womwn being at the bottom, white women still marry out at lower rate. You cold only imagine what black women’s IR rate would be if they were as desired by non black men as much as white women are.

Of course there and always has been individual black women loyal and down with black men but as a collective the loyalty just hasn’t been there It’s not really out of malice but moreso our of weakness.

 

[Lotsford]

It’s ironic that you post videos of Frances Cress Welsing because she contradicts all the shyt you’re saying in favor of gay acceptance. I don’t think that anybody condones the oppression of subset of blacks but there’s a huge middle ground between oppression and promotion. LGBT advocates like to paint anybody who’s not down with the promotion of those lifestyles with being oppressors of those lifestyles. That’s very dishonest. Just because I do t think that smoking frack should be promoted doesn’t mean that I think that black crackheads should be oppressed.

Interracial marriage is a 2-way street. If it were just up to black women their IR marriage rates would be much much higher. Even with the racial politics as they are with white women being at the top of the desireabikitt hierarchy and black womwn being at the bottom, white women still marry out at lower rate. You cold only imagine what black women’s IR rate would be if they were as desired by non black men as much as white women are.

Of course there and always has been individual black women loyal and down with black men but as a collective the loyalty just hasn’t been there It’s not really out of malice but moreso our of weakness.

What is "all the shyt" I'm saying about gay acceptance? All I said was the persecution of gays and murder of trans women was wrong. That's where it stops. I didn't say Thugger wearing dresses is cool, I didn't say we need more gay TV shows. None of that.

It would still be lower than Asian women. IR standards are correlated with education not beauty standards. Black women could go shack up with Billy Joe or white men in liberal circles who are all about that. But black women routinely choose black men more than Asian women choose their men. I do not believe that's just because "no white man will marry them." The liberal ass school I go to, seeing interracial couples semi frequently, they could if they wanted to as much as Asian women or black men.

I still fail go see collectively where the loyalty hasn't been there. If they were unloyal and hated black men so much they would have voted Hilary over Obama in the 2008 primary.