Surprise no thread on Sting, Mean Gene and Daniel Bryan, making it into the WON Hall of Fame
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Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
I HAVE A COUPLE WINS OVER THIS GUY, BROTHER!
Also...
Journal of Manly Arts
MCMAHONS RUNNING THE BUSINESS EVEN LONGER THAN WE THOUGHT, DUDE!These motherfukkers were working, doing gimmick matches and sports-entertainment in 1873???!!McMahon, called "the Green Mountain Boy" continued wrestling throughout the United States and Canada and went undefeated until 1878. On July 22,1873 in Troy, N.Y. McMahon met Thomas Copeland of Montreal. The match was billed for the championship of the U.S. and Canada. McMahon was strongly favored and there was little betting despite the heavy odds being offered. Another collar-and -elbow wrestler named Homer Lane served as the referee. Copeland won the initial fall in six minutes, only to lose the next two in a little less than a quarter of an hour. McMahon completely out-classed his opponent and it was suspected that he let Copeland take the opening fall.
The following month at Harry Hill's Coliseum in New York City McMahon was matched with Albert Ellis, "the champion wrestler of England ". The venue was packed with fans, many having made the trek from Boston, Chicago, Baltimore and Philadelphia. Ellis weighed in at 138 pounds, compared to McMahon's 192 lbs. Due to the weight difference the match was held under Devonshire and Cornwall rules, similar to collar-and elbow but requiring the use of a jacket.Ellis' corner disputed the fall and the match was nearly broken up over the ensuing controversy. Ellis gamely consented to continue and allow his opponent the fall. The Englishman was given the second fall on a foul. Going for the winning fall Ellis cleverly avoided several falls, when upon being thrown by McMahon he swiftly reversed himself before hitting the ground and landed face down. The fans heartily cheered his displays of dexterity. McMahon finally managed to slam Ellis flat on his back, thus winning the contest. A newspaper account reports, " A Great deal of money changed hands on the event."
Exactly a year later, again at Harry Hill's, McMahon and Ellis met for a rematch. Ellis had stayed in America wrestling exhibitions and working as a stonemason.
Each man put up $500 and the match was again under the jacket rules. It was further stipulated that choking and kicking above the knees was barred. Harry Hill was the third man in the ring. McMahon tried over and over again to throw the diminutive wrestler but was out-foxed by his technique. McMahon used an inside leg lock and sent Ellis earth-bound, only to have the Englishman turn and land on his hips. Tired and angry, the American shouted, "If that wasn't a fall, I will leave", whereupon he jumped out of the ring. Hill gave the wrestlers a five-minute rest and stated that if only one man returned to the ring he would be awarded the entire stake. McMahon composed himself and returned to the ring. Hill discussed the match with both wrestlers and than declared the bout a draw. Yet a third match was held, this time for $700 a side. McMahon won.
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prophecypro
Hollywood North
Bout damn time Sting made it in.
I started to really pay attention on how the Observer cast the votes last year and all the reasons they were giving for why Sting shouldn't be in had me like
but in the same breath everyone there was like "So yeah Edge is definetly a unanimous pick"
I guess somehow the logic was as the franchise Sting didn't move the needle in terms of draws and ratings like NWO, Flair and Goldberg idol for WCW but Edge did in terms of ratings during the ruthless aggression era
I started to really pay attention on how the Observer cast the votes last year and all the reasons they were giving for why Sting shouldn't be in had me like
but in the same breath everyone there was like "So yeah Edge is definetly a unanimous pick"I guess somehow the logic was as the franchise Sting didn't move the needle in terms of draws and ratings like NWO, Flair and Goldberg idol for WCW but Edge did in terms of ratings during the ruthless aggression era
Bryan deserves it off the lead up and conclusion to Mania 30 alone, in front of a crowd that got gut punched by the streak ending he had them with him still from the moment he came on the ramp until the closing credits of the show, that's the stuff of legend.
Mean Gene doesn't need explaining. Everybody knows who he is
Stannery or whatever it's called now aside
positive historical influence on the business; drawing power; in-ring ability as well as longevity.
Even if you conceded the draw thing the other 3 parts of their criteria were met in 2002
WAY too much of WCW's woes from 1990-1994 got placed on and used against Sting because he was on the top of the card.
I will argue with anyone Hogan/Randy Savage would've have fared just as awful under the booking/management circumstances had either come there two years before they did
WCW was horribly mismanaged and was trying to be a territory in the 90's when that shyt was DEAD until Eric Bischoff got ahold things and specifically of Turner's checkbook
Jim Herd, Kip Fry tv execs, pizza chain dudes who knew zip about wrestling and that's putting it politely
Ole Anderson, Bill Watts, racists still deeply rooted in Deep South mid 80's rasslin' headed into the 90's. Dusty a territory guy stubborn in his ways.
Watts wanted strictly mat based wrestling and no over the top rope or on the top rope stuff in an age when a more Japanese/Lucha hard hitting athletic style of high spot movement was starting to emerge so you could see where things were headed even then, and Bischoff was smart enough to start stealing those type of cats from ECW (Eddie, Benoit, Jericho, Rey etc) as WCW began to stop acting like some lame ass outdated territory and started behaving like a global brand. (Sadly them not pushing those guys I just mentioned up in the mix at the top of card in the late 90's was a huge part of their collapse but still)
NOBODY you can name could've drawn a dime during that 1990-1994 period in WCW under those circumstances. Being a "draw" requires moving parts like a vehicle with some sense of direction
Mean Gene doesn't need explaining. Everybody knows who he is
Stannery or whatever it's called now aside
positive historical influence on the business; drawing power; in-ring ability as well as longevity.
Even if you conceded the draw thing the other 3 parts of their criteria were met in 2002
WAY too much of WCW's woes from 1990-1994 got placed on and used against Sting because he was on the top of the card.
I will argue with anyone Hogan/Randy Savage would've have fared just as awful under the booking/management circumstances had either come there two years before they did
WCW was horribly mismanaged and was trying to be a territory in the 90's when that shyt was DEAD until Eric Bischoff got ahold things and specifically of Turner's checkbook
Jim Herd, Kip Fry tv execs, pizza chain dudes who knew zip about wrestling and that's putting it politely
Ole Anderson, Bill Watts, racists still deeply rooted in Deep South mid 80's rasslin' headed into the 90's. Dusty a territory guy stubborn in his ways.
Watts wanted strictly mat based wrestling and no over the top rope or on the top rope stuff in an age when a more Japanese/Lucha hard hitting athletic style of high spot movement was starting to emerge so you could see where things were headed even then, and Bischoff was smart enough to start stealing those type of cats from ECW (Eddie, Benoit, Jericho, Rey etc) as WCW began to stop acting like some lame ass outdated territory and started behaving like a global brand. (Sadly them not pushing those guys I just mentioned up in the mix at the top of card in the late 90's was a huge part of their collapse but still)
NOBODY you can name could've drawn a dime during that 1990-1994 period in WCW under those circumstances. Being a "draw" requires moving parts like a vehicle with some sense of direction
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sorry for the wall of text, its dead at the office this morning and i'm slightly hungover from that damn Vikings game last night
David_TheMan
Veteran
flavor of the moment wrestler with no lasting impact on the business and who didn't elevate the business or achieve cross over fame.
It would be be like putting someone in the acting all of fame or mentioning in the same breathe as the greats off of one roll or 1 year of work out of 10+ years
The Rainmaker
Mr. Money in the Bank
Where is the neg button?
Here Comes the Pain
Superstar
daniel Bryan making it onto the hof.Sting just now getting inducted.
Yeah the Committee need to go ahead and commit that. Hof is
Dammit Hogan
Worthless Loser
Blackpilled
a)You don't need cross over fame to make it to the HOF. That's foolish to suggest.
b)Being hot in WWE is not the only way you can make the HOF because WWE is not the end all be all.
c)Bryan's lasting impact is being one of the greatest in ring wrestlers in the last 10 plus years.
d)He was voted in by the Observer audience (which includes known names in the wrestling business) because Bryan won the Observer's Most Outstanding Wrestler Award 5 STRAIGHT YEARS from 2006 to 2010 and because he won the Observer's Best Technical Wrestler Award 9 STRAIGHT YEARS from 2005 to 2013. To honor his retirement Meltzer changed the name to the Bryan Danielson award.
It really doesn't matter what you think or any WWE 'supremacist' think. Those accomplishments says it all.
StraxStrax
I'm selling these fine leather jackets
Both WWE Champions wouldn't not be wrestling in the WWE had Bryan not paved the way. You can hate them all you want but there might not be another wrestler who has had more influence on wrestling styles of the current WWE roster then Daniel Bryan.
David_TheMan
Veteran
I would think you would need to have some crossover effect to be in a HoF for the little time he actually had on top.
Not WWE soley but other prominant promotions should factor, has to be more than high school gyms.
What lasting impact does Bryan have at all?
Observer doesn't mean shyt and talking about technical wrestling in a fake competition is ridiculous on its face.
I'm not a WWE fan, haven't watched it since 2001.
I don't know who the WWE champs are that said what does it matter who the champs are in WWE, the biggest match they have recently was Brock/Goldberg, which is a non-title match by two part timers who have more spark and charisma than any of their indy darling call ups.
Worthless Loser
Blackpilled
The Observer audience is a smarter audience. Not a typical casual audience. So the expectations are different and his lasting impact has already been mentioned. There's nothing wrong with appreciating technical wrestling since wrestling matches are suppose to be a work of art anyway. Seeing people master holds, sequences and moves, and being able to put that together in orderly fashion is partly what makes wrestling enjoyable. (Not to fans like you, but there is a big fan base for it) We could take that aspect out of wrestling and replace all technical wrestlers with 80's Hogans in this era and people would be complaining left and right.
