Surprise no thread on Sting, Mean Gene and Daniel Bryan, making it into the WON Hall of Fame

[David_TheMan]

Meltzer has driven the narrative that a good work rate = you deserve to be champion

It's just not true. The idea that in 97 Jericho or Eddy or anyone like that was being buried in favor of "lesser" workers is ridiculous. Why the fukk would you give Malenko the belt over fukking Goldberg or Hogan then.

We romanticize the cruiserweights, they got 4.5 stars regularly, yes they are good workers....watch a 97 nitro..they got CDQ outside of a high spot and the finish. Same as now.

The difference is, meltzer rates these matches and people think "they're killing it, make Johnny wrestling champ TODAY" it's crazy.

Yep its some weird ass fixation meltzer and these smarks have for titles and shyt, like it means someone earned something or like its the cookie that you reward someone with. It means nothing at all, its just a prop, or narrative hook to get people to buy into what you are selling story wise.

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

Hard to take that shyt serious when Sting was left out of it for so many years while various random mofos were in.

Bet it won't take The Young Bucks that long to get in

Sting never did a Meltzer Driver

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Yep its some weird ass fixation meltzer and these smarks have for titles and shyt, like it means someone earned something or like its the cookie that you reward someone with. It means nothing at all, its just a prop, or narrative hook to get people to buy into what you are selling story wise.

Well, within the universe of wrestling kayfabe it matters, but like you said it matters as a prop to show strength in a character. People legit forget that. Was JBL a very good worker? fukk no. But as champ he was phenomenal (idgaf) because he got some REAL HEAT and everyone wanted to see him lose the strap. He probably has one 3* match in his entire run. But would Paul london had been a better choice?

 

[David_TheMan]

Well, within the universe of wrestling kayfabe it matters, but like you said it matters as a prop to show strength in a character. People legit forget that. Was JBL a very good worker? fukk no. But as champ he was phenomenal (idgaf) because he got some REAL HEAT and everyone wanted to see him lose the strap. He probably has one 3* match in his entire run.

Exactly, these was he a worker how many 3 star matches, bs is just that bs.
Its a stage production, the only thing you need is to be bought in enough to want to watch a show or pay money to go live or buy merchandise. Everything else is BS. If a wrestler can get you hooked he is effective and a good worker.

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

You would have to take a publication with such a ridiculous award in a creative performance as having some type of credibility to think that means anything.

It would be like having a Oscar category of best technical actor, its absurd, you are either the most effective actor or you aren't, how you get their is irrelevant.

Thats stupid. With that logic the music award shows wouldnt have genre categories.

 

[David_TheMan]

Thats stupid. With that logic the music award shows wouldnt have genre categories.

If you equate the designation of best technical actor vs best actor, with musical genre thats on you, but a more apt comparison would be adding technical to every category. Woudln't take long to realize how ridiculous it would be. Best Rap Artist and Best Technical Rap Artist, Best Country Artist and Best Technical Country Artist, Best Rock Artist and Best Technical Rock Artist, Artist of the Year and Technical Artist of the Year, its simply an absurd category in an arena were the technical designation makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

If you equate the designation of best technical actor vs best actor, with musical genre thats on you, but a more apt comparison would be adding technical to every category. Woudln't take long to realize how ridiculous it would be. Best Rap Artist and Best Technical Rap Artist, Best Country Artist and Best Technical Country Artist, Best Rock Artist and Best Technical Rock Artist, Artist of the Year and Technical Artist of the Year, its simply an absurd category in an arena were the technical designation makes no sense whatsoever.

Technical wrestling is a sub genre. Just like lucha or hardcore. You cant just say technical is just a part of it because its not true. Not everyone wrestles like that there is a stark difference between a Zack Sabre Jr and a Ricochet and you cant fault one for not doing what the other does. Technical wrestling doesnt just mean the basics. Its psychology and storytelling with holds. Not many people do it well and VERY few did it as well as Daniel Bryan in ROH.

 

[dh86]

Shawn Michaels had crossover fame , just like Kevin Nash despite poor drawing performance in WWE, same for Bret Hart. They were actually crossover stars. Eddie and Benoit actually made the cruiserweight division in WCW a must see, people bought tickets to shows to see them because they were entertaining and connected with the audience. Same with La Parka, Juvie, Rey, ultimo, and etc. Bryan isn't in that class and thats saying something as none of them were super high draws in the US but were better than him.

If you aren't a wrestling nerd there is a 90% or + that you don't even know who the man is. As for Bryan being a pop culture factor, how, he isn't in movies, not on different tv shows, not on day time shows, he literally is a non entity in entertainment outside of WWE and he was only a legitimate interest for what 1 year? That isn't a HoF career in the US IMHO


I don't know who Baron Corbin is, but its hrd for me to believe he is a real star when I don't know him from anyone else if he was on tv.
I've seen Roman Reigns and Cena commercials. I've seen Batista in movies. I've never seen Bryan and Baron Corbin in any context outside of wrestling.


Hard to claim I'm in a WWE mindset when I don't watch it at all and haven't since 2001, while watching TNA, NJPW, and LU


Who said he didn't have influence?

Now you've resorted to making things up. Show me a non WWE Roman Reigns commercial. Right now.

 

[David_TheMan]

Technical wrestling is a sub genre. Just like lucha or hardcore. You cant just say technical is just a part of it because its not true. Not everyone wrestles like that there is a stark difference between a Zack Sabre Jr and a Ricochet and you cant fault one for not doing what the other does. Technical wrestling doesnt just mean the basics. Its psychology and storytelling with holds. Not many people do it well and VERY few did it as well as Daniel Bryan in ROH.

I disagree that technical wrestling is a genre at all, fact of the matter is all wrestling is is psychology and storytelling period, that is all every form of wrestling is, atleast in the western sense.

I don't consider hardcore a genre either.

Lucha would be a different genre of wrestling due to completely different norms in the pro wrestling form.

IMHO

 

[David_TheMan]

Now you've resorted to making things up. Show me a non WWE Roman Reigns commercial. Right now.

 

[dh86]

I disagree that technical wrestling is a genre at all, fact of the matter is all wrestling is is psychology and storytelling period, that is all every form of wrestling is, atleast in the western sense.

I don't consider hardcore a genre either.

Lucha would be a different genre of wrestling due to completely different norms in the pro wrestling form.

IMHO

When Bryan was on the NXT game show, he was made 0-12, yet the fans voted him #1 every week. Why?

 

[dh86]

Public service announcement, not a commercial. Hence "pop culture". Del Rio did the same thing.

 

[dh86]

Shawn Michaels had crossover fame , just like Kevin Nash despite poor drawing performance in WWE, same for Bret Hart. They were actually crossover stars. Eddie and Benoit actually made the cruiserweight division in WCW a must see, people bought tickets to shows to see them because they were entertaining and connected with the audience. Same with La Parka, Juvie, Rey, ultimo, and etc. Bryan isn't in that class and thats saying something as none of them were super high draws in the US but were better than him.

If you aren't a wrestling nerd there is a 90% or + that you don't even know who the man is. As for Bryan being a pop culture factor, how, he isn't in movies, not on different tv shows, not on day time shows, he literally is a non entity in entertainment outside of WWE and he was only a legitimate interest for what 1 year? That isn't a HoF career in the US IMHO


I don't know who Baron Corbin is, but its hrd for me to believe he is a real star when I don't know him from anyone else if he was on tv.
I've seen Roman Reigns and Cena commercials. I've seen Batista in movies. I've never seen Bryan and Baron Corbin in any context outside of wrestling.


Hard to claim I'm in a WWE mindset when I don't watch it at all and haven't since 2001, while watching TNA, NJPW, and LU


Who said he didn't have influence?

Dave Meltzer has more influence than Al Snow without ever taking one bump, is my point. How was Shawn Michaels, Bret or Nash crossover stars? Bret was a B list celebrity in Canada and was treated as such there, but none of them received more mainstream publicity than Daniel Bryan. Benoit, Eddie, and Rey are mostly known for their WWE careers, but they are Hall of Famers because of ring work, especially Benoit. Theres no lane to say Chris Benoit was a better wrestler than Daniel Bryan, and in every other way, Bryan far surpasses Benoit's wildest imagination. If Bryan had no charisma, and isnt a non factor, why isnt the WWE firing him? Scared that hes the one man that would bolster the domestic market share of a company?

 

[David_TheMan]

Public service announcement, not a commercial. Hence "pop culture". Del Rio did the same thing.

a commercial is a commercial.
I've seen more reigns commercials than bryan. Sorry

 

[dh86]

a commercial is a commercial.
I've seen more reigns commercials than bryan. Sorry

Paul Heyman & Gabe Saplosky both stated that in 2010, the plan was to take over TNA, hire Daniel Bryan and build the company around him. Why do u think?