Surprise no thread on Sting, Mean Gene and Daniel Bryan, making it into the WON Hall of Fame

[David_TheMan]

The Observer audience is a smarter audience. Not a typical casual audience. So the expectations are different and his lasting impact has already been mentioned. There's nothing wrong with appreciating technical wrestling since wrestling matches are suppose to be a work of art anyway. Seeing people master holds, sequences and moves, and being able to put that together in orderly fashion is partly what makes wrestling enjoyable. (Not to fans like you, but there is a big fan base for it) We could take that aspect out of wrestling and replace all technical wrestlers with 80's Hogans in this era and people would be complaining left and right.

Observer audience is mark audience, and its catering to marks/smarks that has led to the decline in popularity of wrestling.
No one gives a damn about holds sequences and BS its about audience connection, let Al Snow tell you.

 

[StraxStrax]

Only 20 secs in Al Snow cements the fact that he doesn't have a grasp on reality

 

[David_TheMan]

Only 20 secs in Al Snow cements the fact that he doesn't have a grasp on reality

What would you be able to offer up experience wise more than Al Snow, with regard to the business of pro wrestling?

 

[Worthless Loser]

Observer audience is mark audience, and its catering to marks/smarks that has led to the decline in popularity of wrestling.
No one gives a damn about holds sequences and BS its about audience connection, let Al Snow tell you.

Who cares what Al Snow thinks? Plus, you admitted to not watching WWE since 2001 which means you are not aware how much more the WWE audience, casuals included are invested in good matches and will be quick to chant boring at bad matches. Times have changed.

Would you prefer WWE's HOF, where any shyt mid-card comedy gimmick can be a HOFer because Vince said so? The Observer HOF holds merit because it's not easy to get into. You have to have a level of accomplishment or excellence for many years that warrants you being in the HOF, and you have to get majority vote and Bryan has earned it through his excellence in the ring. You just said you don't care about ring work so of course you won't understand why Bryan is in the HOF and you'll look to a bitter soul like Al Snow to justify your argument. Times have changed.

 

[StraxStrax]

What would you be able to offer up experience wise more than Al Snow, with regard to the business of pro wrestling?

What he says at the start has nothing to do with wrestling. A person with any sense of logic knows that in sports and business that the best person isn't always who makes the most money for himself. David Beckham was the highest paid soccer player in years and people went to games just to see him play but at his best he was barely a top 50 player in the world.

 

[dh86]

Bryan Danielson should not be any hall of fame that is worth a damn.
Sorry.

Best technical wrestler for 9 years in a row. The award is now called the Bryan Danielson award.

 

[David_TheMan]

What he says at the start has nothing to do with wrestling. A person with any sense of logic knows that in sports and business that the best person isn't always who makes the most money for himself. David Beckham was the highest paid soccer player in years and people went to games just to see him play but at his best he was barely a top 50 player in the world.

You talk about a person with sense, but then you compare a professional athlete with a actor when talking about pay. SMH. You done worked yourself bro.

Who cares what Al Snow thinks? Plus, you admitted to not watching WWE since 2001 which means you are not aware how much more the WWE audience, casuals included are invested in good matches and will be quick to chant boring at bad matches. Times have changed.

Would you prefer WWE's HOF, where any shyt mid-card comedy gimmick can be a HOFer because Vince said so? The Observer HOF holds merit because it's not easy to get into. You have to have a level of accomplishment or excellence for many years that warrants you being in the HOF, and you have to get majority vote and Bryan has earned it through his excellence in the ring. You just said you don't care about ring work so of course you won't understand why Bryan is in the HOF and you'll look to a bitter soul like Al Snow to justify your argument. Times have changed.

I respect his opinion more so than smarks who've never wrestled and don't know what the real industry is about.

I'm the definition of the casual WWE fan that has ignored the product since its height, and as a casual I only know Bryan from his stint in TNA and some of his work in RoH in which I'm really not a fan of (RoH and its style).

WWE HoF is worthless just like the WoN HoF is worthless IMHO, too much politics and BS involved in selections, such as Sting only now being inducted and at the same time as Daniel Bryan. Same with Mean Gene too, how was he not already in?

As for accomplishment, this is acting, the only real accomplishment is longevity, the rest is bs, the belts mean nothing, the only thing that should mean anything is the pay.

 

[dh86]

There's hundreds of people who vote. It's not Dave picking people. Former wrestlers, current wrestlers, journalists, and historians vote

Dave obviously has influence in that his views and opinions resonate with voters. I remember him arguing that Edge should be in over Sting. Thats ridiculous, but Sting last run overruled that

 

[David_TheMan]

Best technical wrestler for 9 years in a row. The award is now called the Bryan Danielson award.

You would have to take a publication with such a ridiculous award in a creative performance as having some type of credibility to think that means anything.

It would be like having a Oscar category of best technical actor, its absurd, you are either the most effective actor or you aren't, how you get their is irrelevant.

 

[dh86]

You talk about a person with sense, but then you compare a professional athlete with a actor when talking about pay. SMH. You done worked yourself bro.



I respect his opinion more so than smarks who've never wrestled and don't know what the real industry is about.

I'm the definition of the casual WWE fan that has ignored the product since its height, and as a casual I only know Bryan from his stint in TNA and some of his work in RoH in which I'm really not a fan of (RoH and its style).

WWE HoF is worthless just like the WoN HoF is worthless IMHO, too much politics and BS involved in selections, such as Sting only now being inducted and at the same time as Daniel Bryan. Same with Mean Gene too, how was he not already in?

As for accomplishment, this is acting, the only real accomplishment is longevity, the rest is bs, the belts mean nothing, the only thing that should mean anything is the pay.

In 5 years, when 'real stars' like Baron Corbin is coaching high school football or being a bodyguard, Bryan Danielson will be making lots of money in wrestling. He will make big bucks in wrestling with or without Vince McMahon for the rest of his life. That should put him at the top in your eyes.

 

[dh86]

You would have to take a publication with such a ridiculous award in a creative performance as having some type of credibility to think that means anything.

It would be like having a Oscar category of best technical actor, its absurd, you are either the most effective actor or you aren't, how you get their is irrelevant.

Shawn Michaels isnt considered Mr Wrestlemania or is a Hall of Famer due to drawing power. Shawn, Eddie, Benoit, Angle are largely due to ring work. If anyone is in due to ring work, Bryan Danielson should. Bryan became more of a factor in pop culture than any of the 4, which is icing on the cake.

 

[dh86]

Observer audience is mark audience, and its catering to marks/smarks that has led to the decline in popularity of wrestling.
No one gives a damn about holds sequences and BS its about audience connection, let Al Snow tell you.

Dave Meltzer has held major influence in the wrestling business since 1981.

 

[Worthless Loser]

I respect his opinion more so than smarks who've never wrestled and don't know what the real industry is about.

I'm the definition of the casual WWE fan that has ignored the product since its height, and as a casual I only know Bryan from his stint in TNA and some of his work in RoH in which I'm really not a fan of (RoH and its style).

WWE HoF is worthless just like the WoN HoF is worthless IMHO, too much politics and BS involved in selections, such as Sting only now being inducted and at the same time as Daniel Bryan. Same with Mean Gene too, how was he not already in?

As for accomplishment, this is acting, the only real accomplishment is longevity, the rest is bs, the belts mean nothing, the only thing that should mean anything is the pay.

There's your problem. You are stuck in this one dimensional casual and uninformed WWE mindset and it doesn't allow you to appreciate anything else.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Observer audience is mark audience, and its catering to marks/smarks that has led to the decline in popularity of wrestling.
No one gives a damn about holds sequences and BS its about audience connection, let Al Snow tell you.

Meltzer has driven the narrative that a good work rate = you deserve to be champion

It's just not true. The idea that in 97 Jericho or Eddy or anyone like that was being buried in favor of "lesser" workers is ridiculous. Why the fukk would you give Malenko the belt over fukking Goldberg or Hogan then.

We romanticize the cruiserweights, they got 4.5 stars regularly, yes they are good workers....watch a 97 nitro..they got CDQ outside of a high spot and the finish. Same as now.

The difference is, meltzer rates these matches and people think "they're killing it, make Johnny wrestling champ TODAY" it's crazy.

 

[David_TheMan]

Shawn Michaels isnt considered Mr Wrestlemania or is a Hall of Famer due to drawing power. Shawn, Eddie, Benoit, Angle are largely due to ring work. If anyone is in due to ring work, Bryan Danielson should. Bryan became more of a factor in pop culture than any of the 4, which is icing on the cake.

Shawn Michaels had crossover fame , just like Kevin Nash despite poor drawing performance in WWE, same for Bret Hart. They were actually crossover stars. Eddie and Benoit actually made the cruiserweight division in WCW a must see, people bought tickets to shows to see them because they were entertaining and connected with the audience. Same with La Parka, Juvie, Rey, ultimo, and etc. Bryan isn't in that class and thats saying something as none of them were super high draws in the US but were better than him.

If you aren't a wrestling nerd there is a 90% or + that you don't even know who the man is. As for Bryan being a pop culture factor, how, he isn't in movies, not on different tv shows, not on day time shows, he literally is a non entity in entertainment outside of WWE and he was only a legitimate interest for what 1 year? That isn't a HoF career in the US IMHO

In 5 years, when 'real stars' like Baron Corbin is coaching high school football or being a bodyguard, Bryan Danielson will be making lots of money in wrestling. He will make big bucks in wrestling with or without Vince McMahon for the rest of his life. That should put him at the top in your eyes.

I don't know who Baron Corbin is, but its hrd for me to believe he is a real star when I don't know him from anyone else if he was on tv.
I've seen Roman Reigns and Cena commercials. I've seen Batista in movies. I've never seen Bryan and Baron Corbin in any context outside of wrestling.

There's your problem. You are stuck in this one dimensional casual and uninformed WWE mindset and it doesn't allow you to appreciate anything else.

Hard to claim I'm in a WWE mindset when I don't watch it at all and haven't since 2001, while watching TNA, NJPW, and LU

Dave Meltzer has held major influence in the wrestling business since 1981.

Who said he didn't have influence?