Tech Industry job layoffs looking scary

[Dorian Breh]

Shouldn't you be busy sorting packages at your Warehouse job?

Yea sure I work at a warehouse. And I clean houses. And dig ditches. Whatever makes you feel better.

Shouldn’t you be trying to learn how to something useful and differentiated?

 

[#BOTHSIDES]

Every thread crying about not being able to compete in the job market

Maybe if you had skills you’d be less scary…

Anybody who works with these Indian nikkas know 90% of them are average or below average. Can’t even understand what they’re saying in meetings. They be gotdamn arguing with each other on calls.

It just comes down to they’re cheaper

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

For example, for those schools the kids have shown that they can learn and ace college-level Multivariable Calculus courses by the time they’re 15 or 16. If you can do that then you’re clearly made from something different. Not to mention all the extracurriculars.

I try not to talk too much about real life on here, but taught calc in the bay at a two year for a minute, just as a thing to do after work.

There were a decent amount of 14-15 year olds in the class.

They weren't abnormally smart or gifted, they were just exposed to these concepts at a younger age, normally by parents or classmates.

 

[JT-Money]

Yea sure I work at a warehouse. And I clean houses. And dig ditches. Whatever makes you feel better.

Shouldn’t you be trying to learn how to something useful and differentiated?

Not going to do it.

 

[IIVI]

I try not to talk too much about real life on here, but taught calc in the bay at a two year for a minute, just as a thing to do after work.

There were a decent amount of 14-15 year olds in the class.

They weren't abnormally smart or gifted, they were just exposed to these concepts at a younger age, normally by parents or classmates.

We’re not talking about only taking Calc I though, these kids are literally acing Multivariable Calculus at their State Universities before they could drive. I actually have seen a kid like that who basically had the highest grade in my college’s Diff Eq and Physics III course that semester. My friend was like “Man, that kid is still in high school and I see his mother drop him off. I don’t think he drives.” I would not be surprised if they were going to one of those high-tier colleges and that was just an extracurricular on their transcript.

That’s just not normal and if so is more along the lines of their parents knowing those subjects very well and teaching it to their kids night after night, which isn’t common and the kid would still have to be smart.

All of that is why I didn’t bother to pretend I was/am anything special in school because these professors have either been in a class with or taught some kids who aced all this shyt when they were 18. They probably are amused when they see some mid-level A-student who thinks their Einstein. While I’m somebody who found this stuff easy (usually constantly finish top 3-5 in my classes without too much effort) and am interested in it, I know I’m not an ultra genius like the people who go to those schools.

In fact, many of the Caltech, M.I.T and Stanford grads have more than one major. One major is a piece of cake for those people:

https://commencement.caltech.edu/documents/28434/2024_COMMENCEMENT_PROGRAM_FINAL_CLAUSER.pdf

I remember my school had a total graduate class of four Physics majors. Look at Caltech and how many double majored in Physics, Math and some kind of Engineering or Computer Science. Them people ain’t normal.

End of the day, I think people who graduate from these schools have a much higher chance of getting into Google than people working at Google ever had a chance and breaking into these schools, much less getting through it.

 

[JT-Money]

Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out​

Welcome to Silicon Valley's entry-level job recession

New grads are being increasingly excluded from a job market that prefers automation and more seasoned workers.

sfstandard.com

New graduates are being increasingly excluded from a job market that prefers automation and more seasoned workers.

Johnn Cabacungan, a 21-year-old from Los Angeles, flashed a toothy smile as he looked for his crew Saturday in the crush of people outside UC Berkeley’s California Memorial Stadium after commencement. A media studies major, Cabacungan has a string of internships at Adobe and other companies on his résumé and served as president of UC Berkeley’s consulting club. He’s the kind of gunner who in recent years would have had a cushy job waiting for him.

Instead, he has eight interviews lined up, including at major tech firms, but no certain roles.

“I’m scared, to be honest,” he said. “I’ve had trouble finding a job. Most people are having trouble.”

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

We’re not talking about only taking Calc I though, these kids are literally acing Multivariable Calculus at their State Universities before they could drive. I actually have seen a kid like that who basically had the highest grade in my college’s Diff Eq and Physics III course that semester. My friend was like “Man, that kid is still in high school and I see his mother drop him off. I don’t think he drives.” I would not be surprised if they were going to one of those high-tier colleges and that was just an extracurricular on their transcript.

That’s just not normal and if so is more along the lines of their parents knowing those subjects very well and teaching it to their kids night after night, which isn’t common and the kid would still have to be smart.

All of that is why I didn’t bother to pretend I was/am anything special in school because these professors have either been in a class with or taught some kids who aced all this shyt when they were 18. They probably are amused when they see some mid-level A-student who thinks their Einstein. While I’m somebody who found this stuff easy (usually constantly finish top 3-5 in my classes without too much effort) and am interested in it, I know I’m not an ultra genius like the people who go to those schools.

Was teaching at a two-year feeder to Berkeley, UCLA, Stanford, and the occasional prestige out-of-state.

Kids start at Calc. I (in California its a, b, c, d. C/D = multivariable calc) and obviously progress through to linear and maybe diff.

Here are some paths I've seen.

Parents throw their kids in Kumon programs at a young age. The kids cry and fight but eventually acquiesce. Eventually gain maturity through the years. The parents who know enough to have their kids in Kumon programs, know enough to mature them for the next decade.

Kids who grew up in a place serious about academics. They come over here and are more mature than peers.

Kids learn proof work in their teens due to exposure.

Kids taking Calc a/b at 14 and c/d at 15. Now they have the maturity to take basic linear and maybe diff.

More importantly, if they've already been exposed to the basic sequence and proofs, they might open Axler's treatment (Linear Done Right) or an advanced calculus book. They can start number theory work and so on.

They run circles around people who are in even AP computational math classes. They have been exposed to way more than even the teachers of such classes.

He/she ran circles around you due to mathematical maturity and exposure to concepts at an earlier age.

Most people are not exposed to abstract concepts until undergrad. They have to learn and process the vernacular, change their model of thinking, and so on while handling the workload.

If some guy has a 2-4 year head start, yea, he looks like a genius because he no longer has to worry about vernacular and nailing down basic concepts.

They're thinking beyond 'em.

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

In fact, many of the Caltech, M.I.T and Stanford grads have more than one major. One major is a piece of cake for those people:

https://commencement.caltech.edu/documents/28434/2024_COMMENCEMENT_PROGRAM_FINAL_CLAUSER.pdf

I remember my school had a total graduate class of four Physics majors. Look at Caltech and how many double majored in Physics, Math and some kind of Engineering or Computer Science. Them people ain’t normal.

Lot of people with exposure to advanced concepts, organization, and discipline at a young age (discussed in previous post). You're correct, not normal.

Not really genius either.

There's a reason a lot of them come from certain types of families and feeder schools.

That's often the selection mechanism. They sort into certain places where that shyt is valuable.

Erik Demaine is perhaps a legit genius. Also, his dad, with no formal education, home schooled him and from a young age had him on his own curriculum.

This ain't simple.

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

End of the day, I think people who graduate from these schools have a much higher chance of getting into Google than people working at Google ever had a chance and breaking into these schools, much less getting through it.

I don't know what this means. See that's the thing. All this, "I went to x school" is good for a job, maybe two.

Maybe good for grad school, some prestige.

At a certain point, like the Marine Corp, can you charge that fukking machine gun when I need you to charge that machine gun?

 

[IIVI]

Lot of people with exposure to advanced concepts, organization, and discipline at a young age (discussed in previous post). You're correct, not normal.

Not really genius either.

There's a reason a lot of them come from certain types of families and feeder schools.

That's often the selection mechanism. They sort into certain places where that shyt is valuable.

Erik Demaine is perhaps a legit genius. Also, his dad, with no formal education, home schooled him and from a young age had him on his own curriculum.

This ain't simple.

I think you’re underestimating the rarity of these people, which to me makes them genius-level. It’s more rare to graduate with a Physics degree from one of these schools than to make it into the NBA. Similar for their engineering classes. These people are a cut above most people.

 

[IIVI]

Was teaching at a two-year feeder to Berkeley, UCLA, Stanford, and the occasional prestige out-of-state.

Kids start at Calc. I (in California its a, b, c, d. C/D = multivariable calc) and obviously progress through to linear and maybe diff.

Here are some paths I've seen.

Parents throw their kids in Kumon programs at a young age. The kids cry and fight but eventually acquiesce. Eventually gain maturity through the years. The parents who know enough to have their kids in Kumon programs, know enough to mature them for the next decade.

Kids who grew up in a place serious about academics. They come over here and are more mature than peers.

Kids learn proof work in their teens due to exposure.

Kids taking Calc a/b at 14 and c/d at 15. Now they have the maturity to take basic linear and maybe diff.

More importantly, if they've already been exposed to the basic sequence and proofs, they might open Axler's treatment (Linear Done Right) or an advanced calculus book. They can start number theory work and so on.

They run circles around people who are in even AP computational math classes. They have been exposed to way more than even the teachers of such classes.

He/she ran circles around you due to mathematical maturity and exposure to concepts at an earlier age.

Most people are not exposed to abstract concepts until undergrad. They have to learn and process the vernacular, change their model of thinking, and so on while handling the workload.

If some guy has a 2-4 year head start, yea, he looks like a genius because he no longer has to worry about vernacular and nailing down basic concepts.

They're thinking beyond 'em.

Again, and as you mentioned, it’s not normal.

They can go through the same curriculum but doesn’t mean every student would respond in the same fashion (which itself is a non-homogenous, non-linear partial differential equation with a ton of variables that need to line up).

A lot of kids get forced math/school like this and hate it then shut down. A lot of people out there didn’t make it into Caltech and many didn’t finish school after getting drilled like that. Some kids cannot sit through, have deficits, simply ain’t smart enough, etc.

I’ve been to a private school where they separate students based on their potential. There are intrinsic differences and strengths/weaknesses for everyone.

 

[Yapdatfool]

It just comes down to they’re cheaper

And that's something you can't out skill cause that's done in every industry.

Employers want to hire the cheapest labor possible for the work
Employees want the most benefits/pay for their labor/time

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

I think you’re underestimating the rarity of these people, which to me makes them genius-level. It’s more rare to graduate with a Physics degree from one of these schools than to make it into the NBA. Similar for their engineering classes. These people are a cut above most people.

STEM undergrads from these and other "elite" schools far outnumber athletes in the big 4 leagues. Not even close.

But that kind of goes back to the thing.

Professional sports bounded by age. Have to achieve a certain amount before your body breaks.

I mentioned Erik Demaine earlier because he has a great quote about being a child prodigy or whatever--eventually you get older.

Many of the fast trackers fizzle out and don't shoot the moon. Life is more important.

Many people figure it out after exposure and maturity. They can kill it at Google, Meta, or wherever and often surpass the elite school group.

So ignoring the fact that places like Google/Meta are actually elite grad schools on steroids. This idea that a Google/Meta/Apple employee couldn't get into CalTech at 17, whether true or not, is sort of silly.

I've said it before....

That Stanford bumper sticker is cool for parents or whatever. That Cal State Dominguez Hill or UC Santa Cruz or Carnegie Mellon sticker has people in the same place, doing the same shyt, especially in tech.

Also...



Many such cases.

 

[JT-Money]

Walmart Is Laying Off 1,500 Corporate Employees: 'Reshaping Our Structure'​

Walmart Layoffs Impact 1500 US Workers in Tech, Advertising | Entrepreneur

Walmart is laying off 1,500 corporate employees at its Bentonville, Arkansas, headquarters and other offices across the country. Read more about Walmart layoffs, here.

www.entrepreneur.com

Bentonville, Arkansas, or hub in Sunnyvale, California, Walmart is eliminating 1,500 jobs at these locations and other offices across the country.

Walmart Chief Technology Officer Suresh Kumar and U.S. Chief Executive Officer John Furner informed staff in a memo on Wednesday, which reportedly said the company is reducing roles on its global technology team, advertising business, and the e-commerce fulfillment team that handles digital orders.

 

[KingTut]

Just had more layoffs, mostly senior engineers and managers. Director pulled us remaining into a meeting and told us we’re gonna start using AI to fill in the gaps for now.

My homie who graduated from Berkeley and worked at 3 FAANG orgs got laid off a year ago and is still out of work.

I’m bout to just gon head and stack my next four paychecks and hit up trade school. We’re so fukked.