Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight

[Originalman]

X-37 B

Kinetic Rods of God

Lasers

EMPs

Ionosphere data collection

Now napolean as a good hard working blue and red blooded American like yourself who is pro america. You know the key to Americas dominance is air superiority. Even the Germans in WW 2 dominated Europe because of air superiority.

American was able to get boots in Afghanistan and Iraqi in a matter of days because of air superiority going up against Russian equipment and planes that the US had a technological advances over.

That stuff you mentioned is not ready for combat. An EMP will knock out everything even our vehicles and we at the moment don't have an EMP powerful enough. Same with laser we have nothing that can fire multiple times. And the X-37 is a rocket made by NASA.

I am surprised at you the way you support the US on everything that you are not all in for this. What you a commie or you joined ISIS or something.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Now napolean as a good hard working blue and red blooded American like yourself who is pro america. You know the key to Americas dominance is air superiority. Even the Germans in WW 2 dominated Europe because of air superiority.

American was able to get boots in Afghanistan and Iraqi in a matter of days because of air superiority going up against Russian equipment and planes that the US had a technological advances over.

That stuff you mentioned is not ready for combat. An EMP will knock out everything even our vehicles and we at the moment don't have an EMP powerful enough. Same with laser we have nothing that can fire multiple times. And the X-37 is a rocket made by NASA.

I am surprised at you the way you support the US on everything that you are not all in for this. What you a commie or you joined ISIS or something.

The F-22 has no problem with this

The F-35 was meant to support troops on the ground

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is not on the department of defense. Its on congress. Its amazing how little blame congress ever gets.

its cause the congressmen keep drawing up dumb shyt and making the engineers figure it out

In Russia at least their shyt looks ugly as fukk but its damn near flawless

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Not skunk works that is Lockheed Martin. It was made by Grumman which was bought out by Northrop in the 90s.

The Mig-25 fox bat scared the shyt out of the US when they saw it. They knew they needed something go compete with it. Plus they knew the F-1111 their best fighter could not fukk with the mig-25 foxbat.

Whats wild is that as SOON as the the F-117 got shot down they closed that program with the QUICKNESS

and the Mig 25 doesn't even make sense...its so ridiculous. Its like a combination of a U-2, Blackbird, and an F-18

 

[ORDER_66]

At least the rest of the world knows the USA will use 'em

Yeah and probably strip it for parts...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yeah and probably strip it for parts...

Go foraging for contaminated depleted uranium, brehs

 

[Tony D'Amato]

its cause the congressmen keep drawing up dumb shyt and making the engineers figure it out

In Russia at least their shyt looks ugly as fukk but its damn near flawless

What? Congress doesn't have anything to do w/ the design, but the pentagon tells lockheed what they want, lockheed gives them a price and congress just approves it w/ no question asked. Then they approve so many of them w/o inquiring if they actually work. Mainly becuz lockheed amd others pay them off. Congress controlls the wallet is my point. They should be expected to do their jobs

 

[OneManGang]

Tactics of combat changed significantly since the A-10 was created and the armed forces are trying to streamline their arsenal.

Making a bunch of planes for specific missions costs more than one or two fighters that can perform well for multiple mission objectives.

All boils down to economics from what I remember while stationed in CA.​

But the A-10 is still the very best at what it does for a hell of a lot less money than the F-35. The A-10 has had weapons system and avionics upgrades almost consistently since its inception. The airframe is still in combat shape and nothing on the battlefield is as good at close air support and tank busting than it is. I am with the vets and current pilots who are lobbying to keep it in service. Its a beautiful beast imo.

 

[Dr. Sebi Jr.]

@Mephistopheles they should let Dr. Umar work on this plane. He doesn't have his degree in aerospace engineering yet, but he applied for it, so it's okay for him to say he has that degree.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

But the A-10 is still the very best at what it does for a hell of a lot less money than the F-35. The A-10 has had weapons system and avionics upgrades almost consistently since its inception. The airframe is still in combat shape and nothing on the battlefield is as good at close air support and tank busting than it is. I am with the vets and current pilots who are lobbying to keep it in service. Its a beautiful beast imo.

You won't get an argument from me against this. After seeing what the Warthog can do up-close and in-person........I don't want those problems...........

What service you in?
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[OneManGang]

You won't get an argument from me against this. After seeing what the Warthog can do up-close and in-person........I don't want those problems...........

What service you in?
​

Not in the armed forces bro but I'm a huge military aviation buff. My eyesight stopped me from pursuing a military pilot career

 

[intruder]

The thing is the U.S. is banking on it being such a smart and stealthy fighter that it will never have to get involved in a dog-fight.

The approach is while the Russian SU-30 and SU-35s, the French Rafale, and Swedish Saabs are far superior fighters in terms of flying machines the Pentagon planners are hoping that the F-35 will never have to engage in a close quarters dog-fight because they know it wont stand a chance.

The key is to sneak in on the enemy without being detected and fire at them before they even know you were ever there. Which is a great plan. You cant fight what you cant see. Especially since it's supposed to have multi lock technologies where one F-35 can detect multiple targets and assign some to another F-35 that further away to take out if the one that detected the enemy doesnt have enough arsenal to hit all the targets. Deadly shyt when you think about it

Just one problem: Radar technology is catching up. Newer radar technologies being developed by Chinese and Swedish among others can detect an F-111 and an F-22 so by default will detect an F-35.

The U.S. is gonna have to go back and order more F-22s because the F-35 will just be average at best as a fighter. It will still be a valuable attack platform but will need fighter/interceptor type planes like the F-18, F-16 or F-22 to escort it into heavily defended enemy skies.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Guy goes from flying planes to representing a company that builds planes.
Congressman wants something built in his district, even if the military doesn't need/want it.
Another guy goes from reviewing/approving/managing huge procurement contracts for the military to helping a defense contractor respond to multi-billion dollar RFP/RFQ/RFI.

I mean what could go wrong?

 

[Geek Nasty]

Tactics of combat changed significantly since the A-10 was created and the armed forces are trying to streamline their arsenal.

Making a bunch of planes for specific missions costs more than one or two fighters that can perform well for multiple mission objectives.

All boils down to economics from what I remember while stationed in CA.​

And the military learned a long time ago there's no such thing as a do it all jet. I knew this project was a boondoggle because of the history of projects like this. Some CEO bribed the hell out of whoever was in charge to push this con job through.

 

[Originalman]

And the military learned a long time ago there's no such thing as a do it all jet. I knew this project was a boondoggle because of the history of projects like this. Some CEO bribed the hell out of whoever was in charge to push this con job through.

Yep the government tried to be cheap and have one platform do it all plane. But the shyt has bite them in the ass with the F-35 costing damn near 500 billion.

Also lockheed ran game because the F-22 is top of the line and can't be sold overseas to allies.

So they said hey lets make a watered down stealth fighter that we can sell to the government as a replacement for the F-22, F-16, F-15, harrier, F-18 and A-10 and because it isnt as advanced as the F-22 congress will let us sell it to alies.......so we have the F-35.