The biggest movie star in the world may finally have a flop on his hand

[TransJenner]

He left his managers? That makes a lot of sense. I'll elaborate in a second.


I dont agree wm27 was the catalyst though and think it was mainly fast five. Fast five was already going to be big,but it had the added effects of being the first film starring vin diesel and rock side by side which was a huge deal as both were once seen as the next generation of action stars.


Anyway,it makes a lot of sense that he changed managers.


Because rocks film choices since fast five have been very very smart. He's been attaching himself to nothing but established franchises. And even the original film,San Andreas, was a disaster film. Big budget disaster films are about the safest box office bets ever. Look at 2012 and day after tomorrow.


I think rocks draw as a movie star has been overblown and hidden by the fact he's taking roles that almost assuredly will be successful at the box office. He takes very little risk.


Baywatch itself is a franchise with worldwide recognition. That show was huge,and then selling it as "21 Jump street" style reboot was smart as hell. But apparently the movie is absolute garbage. It seemed like a safe bet if they could just make something watchable.


Truth is,before fast five rock was a struggling star,most of his films flopped terribly and he was reduced to being a star for kids films the only thing he was seeing success in.

And look at his next film,jumanji,yet another established franchise.

So him switching managers makes sense because he went from repeatedly trying and failing to be the draw of original films,to grabbing a role in every single established franchise he could find. Whoever manages him now saved him.

I think his wife manages him or ex wife
He has a girlfriend too but we know the reason he has her

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

the movie must truly suck. if it was even slightly good it wouldnt be talked about like this.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Movie drawing has changed. It use to be what you did at the US box office. Now Hollywood takes into account the overseas box office and the back end sales of digital and DVD formats, to determine if a film is a success or not. If the film makes 80-100m worldwide at the cinema, it will be a success and with the DVD/Digital if they can add another 40-50m worldwide it makes its budget back x2

 

[prophecypro]

It just think it didnt look good and was kind of obnoxious and thats why people didnt watch.
They are kinda over these reboots of old cheesy shows that are designed not to reinvent them but mock the concept (Charlie's Angels. Starsky and Hutch, Dukes of Hazard, 21 Jump Street all worked to a degree but they are now kinda predictable)
Rock just needs to pick better projects in reaction to a change in the market about these movies that's all.

I do think attaching himself to franchises may not always be the way to go if audiences start to feel he's totally changing up the movie from they are familiar with. I'm talking about the upcoming Jumanji, which I dont think will do well cause its nothing like the Robin Willams movie and its got 2 other people in it who audiences might be fatigued with soon. Plus there's been some low-key bad press about Karen Gilliam's outfits in the movie.


I wouldn't worry though, both in Wrestling and film he's shown a good habit of adjusting when audiences reject him to win them back. Moana was a creative and commercial success highlighting his heritage and I think he'll find something interesting. Ironically the fact he tried different movies in the mid 00s helped his box office appear beyond wrestling (Gridiron Gang, Southland Tales, Game Plan) helped him. I know its a risk to slim down and do some range and people say thats not what they want from the Rock but I think its okay to try a passion project along with a box office movie so long as he finds the good directors and writers and come up with something creative. Will Smith got too market obsessed and controlling of even his interesting movies and Rock needs to avoid that. I know these stars see Cruise still going with that formula but thats not always the way it works out for all.

 

[prophecypro]

Also regarding his box office before Mania 27 and Fast Five, he was a moderate success which is why he was still getting a ton of movies. I dont really think he was strugglign for 7 years.

Batista jumped out the gate with Guardians and Spectre but the jury is still out because no one talks about how he made a handful of movies before and after those and were essientally were smaller films straight to on demand or did small performance

 

[(Lean Ambrose)]

@R=G ya boy dwayne kissed another man in a movie but this time it flops


With that said it should be fine him and efron can make the budget back with a few ms over

Are you Woahmygoodness?...
If so I think I negged you during that late' 16 sign up...
My bad G...
Been wondering where you been...

 

[R=G]

No movie star has a perfect career, why are nikkas acting like Rock should be anything different?

He's been on such a roll since 2011..his haters are happy as fukk...lol

 

[September]

Why do nikkas keep sleeping on Moana? shyt is one of the best Disney movies and arguably Rock's best movie, yet no one ever talks about it when talking about Rock movies

And when you watch the film it's impossible to not see or hear Rock in the movie

It's one of his best movies, but it had nothing to do with him, which is why no one mentions it.

Moana wasn't big because of the Rock. It's Disney. Their films have to be REALLY bad for them to fail.

The Rock made Moana blow up as much as Kristen Bell and Jonathan Groff made Frozen the most successful Disney film since The Lion King.

The Rock could've been replaced by Jason Momoa in Moana and you would've had the same outcome.

 

[Spyro]

It's one of his best movies, but it had nothing to do with him, which is why no one mentions it.

Moana wasn't big because of the Rock. It's Disney. Their films have to be REALLY bad for them to fail.

The Rock made Moana blow up as much as Kristen Bell and Jonathan Groff made Frozen the most successful Disney film since The Lion King.

The Rock could've been replaced by Jason Momoa in Moana and you would've had the same outcome.

While I get what your saying, Rock in that movie is literally him. I can understand you saying Kristen Bell or Tom Hanks etc etc, but Maui looks like him tattoos and all, sounds exactly like him and even the way he acts it's him.

It's not like Planet 51 where he voices some ginger white guy who is nothing like him, in Moana it's basically an animated Rock movie

 

[September]

While I get what your saying, Rock in that movie is literally him. I can understand you saying Kristen Bell or Tom Hanks etc etc, but Maui looks like him tattoos and all, sounds exactly like him and even the way he acts it's him.

It's not like Planet 51 where he voices some ginger white guy who is nothing like him, in Moana it's basically an animated Rock movie

The movie is based on Polynesian culture.
The character has Polynesian tattoos because he is a traditional Polynesian character. That is the only physical similarly the character has to the Rock.

He is supposed to be the light hearted secondary character. The comic relief. Like The Rock.

It's just a case of casting someone that fits the character that they had already came up with, not changing the character to conform to the voice actor.

Not that certain people don't add quirks to their voice acting, but Maui would've remained largely unchanged had someone else played him.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

If that's the truth then you should be able to provide some evidence of said comments.

Also it should noted that WWE allowed Rock's contract to expire. He was still willing to work with them but they just let his contract lapse for no apparent reason. Vince tried to call and smooth shyt over but Rock wasn't trying to hear it.

Yeah, Rock was pissed about that. I think that surprise segment in the WM23 buildup was like the first time he even talked to them in the 2 years that passed afterwards.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Also regarding his box office before Mania 27 and Fast Five, he was a moderate success which is why he was still getting a ton of movies. I dont really think he was strugglign for 7 years.

Batista jumped out the gate with Guardians and Spectre but the jury is still out because no one talks about how he made a handful of movies before and after those and were essientally were smaller films straight to on demand or did small performance

Neither of those are Batista's first movies, he started out in a few direct to DVD flicks and then had roles in stuff like The Main with the Iron Fist, RIddikk, and House of the Rising Son.


You're right though about Rock. The idea that his film career was struggle is bullshyt. Most of his movies did well even if they weren't some of the top grossing films of the year. We all shyt on the quality of those family movies he was making, but all but one of them turned a profit for Disney.

 

[Heelish]

It's not like Planet 51 where he voices some ginger white guy who is nothing like him, in Moana it's basically an animated Rock movie

 

[TheGreatShowtime]

Almost all of his original films (not sequels or reboots) have done terrible in the box office. The only original (not sequel or reboot) movie that The Rock made that I actually enjoyed was The Rundown.

I see from his IMDB page that he's making San Andreas 2 and a reboot of Big Trouble in Little China. I wouldn't be surprised if both of those movies flop too

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Some of these arguments are pathetic....."If you take away half his filmography a good chunk of his movies are flops"