The Case Against CM Punk: Why his UFC Dream Deserved To Die

[Art Barr]

Some of that shyt you wrote is true but you're side stepping the point. We're only talking about Punk deserving to be in the UFC. How cool of a guy he is and what he accomplished outside of fighting is irrelevant.

He got gifted a fight on name alone. I can't waltz into the the PGA/NBA/NHL just because I'm an inspirational guy.

"so, if you diss'n that,..you must be born well off or you have done sumfin to trump punk." this is particularly horseshyt. See, if it's me, I want to be there because I earned it. So that other big players in whatever organization I'm working into, they can't deny that I belong.

He didn't care that he was gifted, that people that it was bullshyt. Whatever, that's on him. Standards are still standards though, and we have every right to hold him to them just like anybody else. Don't give a shyt who you are, back of the line motherfukker. Earn your way in. He would've *never* made it through regional tournaments. Success in one endeavor does not and should not lead to automatic line jumping in another. Prove yourself.

No no no,....
You can critique him being a shyt novice in the octagon.
Yet, so was one of the best counter punchers and pedigreed boxers of all time as well.
Before he was exposed for roid usage.
I don't mind the critique of him in the octagon.
Yet people have taken his performance in the octagon.
to extend to trying to judge him past being an octagon novice.
Plus, ignoring the facts punk was going to go the long way to do this.
Yet was offered by white to take the shortcut close to forty years old.
Just like a former past drawing pedigreed heavyweight and prodigy style talent at middleweight before being outclassed by rjj.
Whom lost the most demoralizing victory in mma history as well.
What I am commenting on easily that the collective you are missing is.
I am not critical of cm punk as a person like others are.
You can not be critical of him in that manner.
Especially, if you yourself have not ever created a real top of the industry grassroots draw yourself in your personal interest and professionally have not assailed to the absolute best in the industry.
As at numerous times in the Indies or WWE he was the absolute best talent on several wrinkles of time and in several different incarnations and relaunches.

What I am addressing is the negative overswelling of being demonstrative to punk outside of the octagon.
Which punk does not deserve and someone critical of him in that manner.
We need to check their pedigree alternative.
As real talk, you can not be critical of punk outside an octagon.


nikkaz need to pattern themselves after him and show his passion to succeed. Not be demonstrative to them cause cm punk you can pick up on what principals it takes to do to make it.



Art Barr

 

[dh86]

No no no,....
You can critique him being a shyt novice in the octagon.
Yet, so was one of the best counter punchers and pedigreed boxers of all time as well.
Before he was exposed for roid usage.
I don't mind the critique of him in the octagon.
Yet people have taken his performance in the octagon.
to extend to trying to judge him past being an octagon novice.
Plus, ignoring the facts punk was going to go the long way to do this.
Yet was offered by white to take the shortcut close to forty years old.
Just like a former past drawing pedigreed heavyweight and prodigy style talent at middleweight before being outclassed by rjj.
Whom lost the most demoralizing victory in mma history as well.
What I am commenting on easily that the collective you are missing is.
I am not critical of cm punk as a person like others are.
You can not be critical of him in that manner.
Especially, if you yourself have not ever created a real top of the industry grassroots draw yourself in your personal interest and professionally have not assailed to the absolute best in the industry.
As at numerous times in the Indies or WWE he was the absolute best talent on several wrinkles of time and in several different incarnations and relaunches.

What I am addressing is the negative overswelling of being demonstrative to punk outside of the octagon.
Which punk does not deserve and someone critical of him in that manner.
We need to check their pedigree alternative.
As real talk, you can not be critical of punk outside an octagon.


nikkaz need to pattern themselves after him and show his passion to succeed. Not be demonstrative to them cause cm punk you can pick up on what principals it takes to do to make it.



Art Barr

CM Punk got his break in WWE because Shawn Michaels saved him from getting fired in ECW, then half the roster popped for roids lol cut the shyt

 

[Art Barr]

CM Punk got his break in WWE because Shawn Michaels saved him from getting fired in ECW, then half the roster popped for roids lol cut the shyt

First off, if we talking about who earned a place in the WWE.
Hbk never even himself worked up in the manner that cm punk did.
So, just stop with the grandiose deflection not welled in anything really tangibly real.
Like I said,...
The collective you has taken this as a chance to tear down the guy who did the impossible.
You can never ever be demonstrative to him about that.
If you are people need to check just what the fukk you were doing and became a success at.
in your personal interest that drew to being the absolute best.

Punk can say he was an absolute best.
Hbk can not say that ever incomparison to punk especially and punk is way better in any and every incarnation in relation to hbk as well.
So, if this turns into comparative rants against punk vs hbk you will lose.
As punk surpassed any and everything hbk did on just the indy's plus recreated his highest drawing Indy moment in the WWE to a top drawing draw.
Plus, hbk's crowning undertaker series of matches.
punk also eclipsed in one program as well at mania, wholeheartedly in every aspect as well, too.


Art Barr

 

[dh86]

Punk is going to get demolished on the lower level, too. Mickey Gall is directly from the lower level. He had all of 2 fights. Gall is literally the lowest level guy they could get for Punk that wasn't an amateur and had some kind of decent look to him. Gall himself will likely get smashed in his next fight. Only hardcores and Bad MMA connoisseurs are going to watch the type of shows Punk SHOULD be fighting on at his skill level.

Im running to 5dimes when they put up the Gall vs Sage betting lines. Mickey gonna get beat like Punk did

 

[dh86]

First off, if we talking about who earned a place in the WWE.
Hbk never even himself worked up in the manner that cm punk did.
So, just stop with the grandiose deflection not welled in anything really tangibly real.
Like I said,...
The collective you has taken this as a chance to tear down the guy who did the impossible.
You can never ever be demonstrative to him about that.
If you are people need to check just what the fukk you were doing and became a success at.
in your personal interest that drew to being the absolute best.

Punk can say he was an absolute best.
Hbk can not say that ever incomparison to punk especially and punk is way better in any and every incarnation in relation to hbk as well.
So, if this turns into comparative rants against punk vs hbk you will lose.
As punk surpassed any and everything hbk did on just the indy's plus recreated his highest drawing Indy moment in the WWE to a top drawing draw.
Plus, hbk's crowning undertaker series of matches.
punk also eclipsed in one program as well at mania, wholeheartedly in every aspect as well, too.


Art Barr

This is no comparison thread between Punk and Shawn. I only brought up Shawn because he was a consultant on ECW writing team and got them to stop burying Punk. No one is tearing down Phil Brooks as a person, we dont know Phil Brooks as a person, thus we arent going to be told to admire Phil Brooks as a person either. He worked no harder than the guys before or after him that made big money in wrestling, and as hard as he worked last 18 months, theres many mma fighters that worked just as hard while having a full time job. Phil and Vince both worked to launch the CM Punk name to the point where UFC felt he was a viable drawing card (TBD) on a PPV. Phil got paid over a million dollars to go forward with the plan. Phil jumped in line of many fighters dying for the same oppurtunity. Life isnt fair. All of these things are known, but Dwayne Johnson did a shytload more for WWE than Punk ever did for UFC, but Punk bytched about it, and last week still claimed that his oppurtunity is "different". While speaking of UFC being his "dream" and having so much respect for fighters, he denigrated many of them for being much less off financially. No one likes hypocrites

 

[Art Barr]

This is no comparison thread between Punk and Shawn. I only brought up Shawn because he was a consultant on ECW writing team and got them to stop burying Punk. No one is tearing down Phil Brooks as a person, we dont know Phil Brooks as a person, thus we arent going to be told to admire Phil Brooks as a person either. He worked no harder than the guys before or after him that made big money in wrestling, and as hard as he worked last 18 months, theres many mma fighters that worked just as hard while having a full time job. Phil and Vince both worked to launch the CM Punk name to the point where UFC felt he was a viable drawing card (TBD) on a PPV. Phil got paid over a million dollars to go forward with the plan. Phil jumped in line of many fighters dying for the same oppurtunity. Life isnt fair. All of these things are known, but Dwayne Johnson did a shytload more for WWE than Punk ever did for UFC, but Punk bytched about it, and last week still claimed that his oppurtunity is "different". While speaking of UFC being his "dream" and having so much respect for fighters, he denigrated many of them for being much less off financially. No one likes hypocrites

The collective you forget that his draw created that opportunity to be plucked from mma novice-Dom to the ufc.
Plus, for punk regardless of critique.
Mma is a carny sport regardless of what any mma aficionado's try to preach and punk's carni based draw matriculated into being used in another carni based promotion.
Anyone trying to take draw based industries like boxing, mma, wrasslin from being carni is outta of order.
Those are carni draw based industries where you draw as an individual contractor creates your card placement to opportunities and cm punk grassroots built said draw.
There is no prevalent tradition or culture for mma at all to dictate outside of draw where cm punk drew in another carni based promotion.
As people in the mma community want to pluck the carni based draw of the business away when they see fit.
Then also give praise where they in their opinions omit what the business is derived from to suit their straw man argument.

Queensbury boxing to ringsports are carni based and have no real culture like that past draw.
If you want we can go check the origins of carni based ringsports and facts they would be out of order.
So, all this mma is based on merit is bullshyt.
It is a carni ring and draw based business, period.
Of which cm punk actually from a grassroots perspective.
built his draw up to translate to another carni based business resulting in high card and promotion perceived placement.
All the rest of the shyt is the semantics of people.
to argue for a fraudulent carni based business that were never welled in tangible merit at all.


Art Barr

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

No no no,....
You can critique him being a shyt novice in the octagon.
Yet, so was one of the best counter punchers and pedigreed boxers of all time as well.
Before he was exposed for roid usage.
I don't mind the critique of him in the octagon.
Yet people have taken his performance in the octagon.
to extend to trying to judge him past being an octagon novice.
Plus, ignoring the facts punk was going to go the long way to do this.
Yet was offered by white to take the shortcut close to forty years old.
Just like a former past drawing pedigreed heavyweight and prodigy style talent at middleweight before being outclassed by rjj.
Whom lost the most demoralizing victory in mma history as well.
What I am commenting on easily that the collective you are missing is.
I am not critical of cm punk as a person like others are.
You can not be critical of him in that manner.
Especially, if you yourself have not ever created a real top of the industry grassroots draw yourself in your personal interest and professionally have not assailed to the absolute best in the industry.
As at numerous times in the Indies or WWE he was the absolute best talent on several wrinkles of time and in several different incarnations and relaunches.

What I am addressing is the negative overswelling of being demonstrative to punk outside of the octagon.
Which punk does not deserve and someone critical of him in that manner.
We need to check their pedigree alternative.
As real talk, you can not be critical of punk outside an octagon.


nikkaz need to pattern themselves after him and show his passion to succeed. Not be demonstrative to them cause cm punk you can pick up on what principals it takes to do to make it.



Art Barr

First off, if we talking about who earned a place in the WWE.
Hbk never even himself worked up in the manner that cm punk did.
So, just stop with the grandiose deflection not welled in anything really tangibly real.
Like I said,...
The collective you has taken this as a chance to tear down the guy who did the impossible.
You can never ever be demonstrative to him about that.
If you are people need to check just what the fukk you were doing and became a success at.
in your personal interest that drew to being the absolute best.

Punk can say he was an absolute best.
Hbk can not say that ever incomparison to punk especially and punk is way better in any and every incarnation in relation to hbk as well.
So, if this turns into comparative rants against punk vs hbk you will lose.
As punk surpassed any and everything hbk did on just the indy's plus recreated his highest drawing Indy moment in the WWE to a top drawing draw.
Plus, hbk's crowning undertaker series of matches.
punk also eclipsed in one program as well at mania, wholeheartedly in every aspect as well, too.


Art Barr

let em know

 

[stro]

There is nothing to be proud about when jumping into MMA with no background and getting demolished in UFC. There is no "living your dreams shyt" here. I can't believe that's the narrative people are running with. Literally no other UFC fighter would get that type of treatment. We're pretending Punk deserves kudos for jumping into the deep end when in reality, he was fukking retarded to do so, his trainers were scam artists to pretend he was ready for it, and Dana/UFC were carny as fukk putting it on PPV.

Imagine that happening in any other sport. Some random dude with no experience getting to start in a NFL/NBA game because he was famous, then completely embarrassing himself. No one would be like, "well, at least he tried". By Punk's own admission, he wanted to start at the lower level, but UFC offered him a ton of money. And his response wasn't, "I'm not ready", but "Let me take this money". He's a dude who has consistently said money wasn't his motivating factor his entire career, but then quits WWE because he wasn't getting paid as much as the top draw part timers, then took a UFC gig he had no business taking because he was getting paid a ton.

And we're supposed to believe his Rocky speech after he proved he had zero skill or experience and got worked by a dude who is barely above an amateur.

 

[Slystallion]

I can't even ever criticize punk because he is one of the very few people in the world who is not black.
That was counted out his entire life and socially subscribes to nuffin deemed edgy, cool or popular.
Plus shuns the very thing that socially creates heiracrchy in America for white people regardless of capital and that is drinking.
Yet punck should be an inspiration to any just normal guy to put forth extreme effort and try.

When you nikkaz get on in everything you like,...
Then you can critique punk.
Till then, I can't negatively critique the man.
As he is what every person should be trying to be and do.
Which is get some where, using nuffin.

Literally, people being overly demonstrative about a dude who defied every no ever placed in front of him.
Plus, used his sober mind to make it.

If cm punk is not an influence to you,...it is why you fail.


Art Barr

Original neck beard Jesus he stood for all the awkward high school teens who weren't athletes or good socially... He was an outcast himself who didn't become cool until he worked the Indies and was able to get laid by ring rat females and groupies

 

[Slystallion]

There is nothing to be proud about when jumping into MMA with no background and getting demolished in UFC. There is no "living your dreams shyt" here. I can't believe that's the narrative people are running with. Literally no other UFC fighter would get that type of treatment. We're pretending Punk deserves kudos for jumping into the deep end when in reality, he was fukking retarded to do so, his trainers were scam artists to pretend he was ready for it, and Dana/UFC were carny as fukk putting it on PPV.

Imagine that happening in any other sport. Some random dude with no experience getting to start in a NFL/NBA game because he was famous, then completely embarrassing himself. No one would be like, "well, at least he tried". By Punk's own admission, he wanted to start at the lower level, but UFC offered him a ton of money. And his response wasn't, "I'm not ready", but "Let me take this money". He's a dude who has consistently said money wasn't his motivating factor his entire career, but then quits WWE because he wasn't getting paid as much as the top draw part timers, then took a UFC gig he had no business taking because he was getting paid a ton.

And we're supposed to believe his Rocky speech after he proved he had zero skill or experience and got worked by a dude who is barely above an amateur.

Complete scam and poor job by Dana was irresponsible to put him out there like that... You should be able to tell if someone is ready for the big stage looking at his movements it should have been clear a real friend would have told him to give back the money and not ruin his brand... Do what Batista did and fight a fat patsy

 

[Art Barr]

Some of that shyt you wrote is true but you're side stepping the point. We're only talking about Punk deserving to be in the UFC. How cool of a guy he is and what he accomplished outside of fighting is irrelevant.

He got gifted a fight on name alone. I can't waltz into the the PGA/NBA/NHL just because I'm an inspirational guy.

"so, if you diss'n that,..you must be born well off or you have done sumfin to trump punk." this is particularly horseshyt. See, if it's me, I want to be there because I earned it. So that other big players in whatever organization I'm working into, they can't deny that I belong.

He didn't care that he was gifted, that people that it was bullshyt. Whatever, that's on him. Standards are still standards though, and we have every right to hold him to them just like anybody else. Don't give a shyt who you are, back of the line motherfukker. Earn your way in. He would've *never* made it through regional tournaments. Success in one endeavor does not and should not lead to automatic line jumping in another. Prove yourself.

Excuse carni based industry ideals when they never fit anything you are talking about.
especially in UFC when it is made from using carni draws from other draws in its entire draw building makeup.


Art Barr