The Cleveland Cavs have traded Andrew Bynum for Luol Deng

[Dayco23]

I know y'all don't watch Cavs games (I've seen everyone this season) but if you think Bynum wouldn't be a factor for the Heat you're crazy. In some games he looked like regular Bynum putting up 20/10 or 19/7 averaging 20 mins a game. In games he didn't care for or just wasn't on he would still give you 8/5 10/6. All of that was w/o a player on the Cavs roster that could send an entry pass to the post but he wants more mins; part of the fallout &
not getting the ball enough was another part. If his head is in the game, Heat will wash anybody.Dude would eat and just look at the #'s he had this year against the true bigs he faced this year. He doesn't even need to do all that with the Heat but denying his ability is nuts because you haven't seen him play & i hate the Heat more than anyone. Just my take

Well you would have then noticed that the games he had big numbers were not helping the Cavs win at all. He is too slow in transition, gets destroyed on the pick and roll, and couldn't close out on shooting bigs. He was a huge liability on defense. On the offensive end he wasn't able to get rid of the ball quick enough on double teams, and he missed a ton of close range shots under the rim. He had a couple vintage games, but overall he was more of a disappointment then anything else.

PS- They also fed him a ton under the post. The team eventually stopped giving him the ball in post up situations because they were pissed that he would bounce the ball in teh post for 15 secs and then blow the shot 2 ft from the rim. Also, Mike Brown kept telling them to feed him even though he was missing all those shots which can be irritating for the rest of the team.

 

[QuarterCenturyLegend]

Well you would have then noticed that the games he had big numbers were not helping the Cavs win at all. He is too slow in transition, gets destroyed on the pick and roll, and couldn't close out on shooting bigs. He was a huge liability on defense. On the offensive end he wasn't able to get rid of the ball quick enough on double teams, and he missed a ton of close range shots under the rim. He had a couple vintage games, but overall he was more of a disappointment then anything else.

PS- They also fed him a ton under the post. The team eventually stopped giving him the ball in post up situations because they were pissed that he would bounce the ball in teh post for 15 secs and then blow the shot 2 ft from the rim. Also, Mike Brown kept telling them to feed him even though he was missing all those shots.

Protected the rim just fine, PNR? Should've
never been in that position with TT on the floor
at the same time & I never said he was moving
fluid. You seem to be upset he didn't give the
Cavs what you expected instead of what he did
do. I can't call it a disappointment & I'll agree to
disagree on your passing the ball in the post.
The Cavs suck at it & put him in horrible
positions to excel which you heard Carr talk
about every night. When's the last time this
nikka played a game before us? You were
expecting too much. He ran the floor just fine as well but I think you're handing out blame because he wasn't a fit here and that's understandable because the game did slow down. We just see it differently

 

[Dayco23]

Protected the rim just fine, PNR? Should've
never been in that position with TT on the floor
at the same time & I never said he was moving
fluid.

He got destroyed on the PNR because Mike Brown's defense was designed to hedge high, and he clearly could not get back in time to the rim to defend. He would get burned on isolation plays all the time against more athletic bigs. The only guy he really man handled was

You seem to be upset he didn't give the
Cavs what you expected instead of what he did
do. I can't call it a disappointment & I'll agree to
disagree on your passing the ball in the post.
The Cavs suck at it & put him in horrible
positions to excel which you heard Carr talk
about every night.

Naw dawg. I wasnt expecting him to do shyt. He gave up and didn't give 100% when things werent goin right. It's disappointing that when hes struggling he makes everyone struggle and was a cancer on the team. But we got Deng out of him, who will be much more productive.

As far as passing to him in the post, the team struggled at first, but they did figure it out eventually. When he kept missing the shots on the easy post ups, the team didnt want to feed him in the post anymore because he sucked.

When's the last time this
nikka played a game before us? You were
expecting too much. He ran the floor just fine as well but I think you're handing out blame because he wasn't a fit here and that's understandable because the game did slow down. We just see it differently

Who cares when he played before? He was re-habbed and ready to go opening night. Like i said before i wasnt expecting shyt, but he sucked more of the time than not. He didn't run the floor well, he was always the last one down the court. This guy was not very good for the Cavs, who are a young, fast team. He'd prolly do fine on the grizzlies.

 

[GoldenGlove]

I know y'all don't watch Cavs games (I've seen everyone this season) but if you think Bynum wouldn't be a factor for the Heat you're crazy. In some games he looked like regular Bynum putting up 20/10 or 19/7 averaging 20 mins a game. In games he didn't care for or just wasn't on he would still give you 8/5 10/6. All of that was w/o a player on the Cavs roster that could send an entry pass to the post but he wants more mins; part of the fallout &
not getting the ball enough was another part. If his head is in the game, Heat will wash anybody.Dude would eat and just look at the #'s he had this year against the true bigs he faced this year. He doesn't even need to do all that with the Heat but denying his ability is nuts because you haven't seen him play & i hate the Heat more than anyone. Just my take

Everybody is an analyst watching sports center and NBA gametime, if they even invest so much time.

Props for someone who has actually seen Bynum play. The Heat picking up Bynum woudl be huge, cause realistically their only challenge of as right now is Indiana. Who pushes Indiana over the top, Roy Hibbert. With 2 big bodies in Oden and Bynum, it tips the scale in the Heats favor as they can contain Hibbert, while can get to work.

I've watched my fair share of Cavs games this year to be honest with you. And unless Bynum was just dogging it, the dude looks like a shell of himself. He can't even run up and down the court like that. Dude looked fragile as hell in Cleveland

 

[QuarterCenturyLegend]

@Rondo999 I agree with a lot of that but my points weren't directed at what he did for us but what he would do with the Heat if he were to sign there and gives a fukk

 

[Dayco23]

@Rondo999 I agree with a lot of that but my points weren't directed at what he did for us but what he would do with the Heat if he were to sign there and gives a fukk

I think he gave a fukk in CLE but the Cavs play at too fast of a pace for him. Heat are a team that play faster than the Cavs because they are better and have athletes like Lebron. I'm really not sure how he would fit in there or on the Clippers.
I think he would do best in a slower paced half court offensive team.

 

[7oclock]

Because you don't watch and it's not an argument. I am telling you, he is in game shape.



He clearly was motivated in the beginning. But once you get on the court he has to deal with a bunch of sharp pains in his knees, his lack of being able to move as fast as he could, and facing the fact that you aren't the all star player you once were, it can be very depressing and demotivating for that athlete. He can go play for the Heat or clippers but they will be getting the same Bynum that the Cavs got. The Cavs have one of the best medical rehabilitation clinics in the country in the Cleveland Clinic. He is as healthy as he is gonna get.

because it's a fruitless exercise to argue - you weren't in the Gym shooting - you have no idea what his work ethic was in the off season; you probably never laced them up and don't know the difference between losing 25 lbs and being in basketball shape, finding your timing, stride, etc etc. there's been numerous reports even before he started complaining that he was no where near game shape. So i'm not going to sit here and argue with some username on something that is insignificant to the point I've made, which was....

he seems motivated to play for LA (C,L) or Miami and it would be a curious predicament if he all of a sudden became productive for either one of these teams, to which i would wonder why Chicago didn't seek something in return (such as additional draft picks) before they had to digest his contract. Same thing they did with JR Smith and that obviously was a bad move.

 

[7oclock]

Two years in a row Rose goes down and the Bulls are fukked because they have no one to carry the load. They built the team to compliment Rose and have gotten no where with it.

This is a long term move here nothing wrong with it. Rose is still young and they have a shyt load of assets to make a win now move or go long term. They are in great shape bruh. Big market team with a star player, soon to have cap space and picks.

Rose is young but what athelete you know has come back from two knee injuries? He might end up being another Baron Davis - Bulls realized this and I'm assuming prompted the Deng move. I'm sure they will be moving more pieces to ensure Thibs can't win this year and amnesty Boozer (if he can't be traded).

 

[Dayco23]

because it's a fruitless exercise to argue - you weren't in the Gym shooting - you have no idea what his work ethic was in the off season; you probably never laced them up and don't know the difference between losing 25 lbs and being in basketball shape, finding your timing, stride, etc etc. there's been numerous reports even before he started complaining that he was no where near game shape. So i'm not going to sit here and argue with some username on something that is insignificant to the point I've made, which was....

First of all, please show me these reports that said he was out of shape. There are multiple reports that he was in the gym from 9am-2pm every day since he signed with the Cavs. How is that not a good work ethic?

Here is a quote about him directly from Chris Grant:

"I have absolutely been blown away by his approach. Literally, [from] the day we signed him, the next day he was here and he has been here every day but Sunday working. During this rehab, this progression, obviously we have a very detailed plan that he's been on and he's following it to a T."

The guy lost 30 lbs over the summer and played on opening night. He was ready to go. If not, the trainers would not have let him.

he seems motivated to play for LA (C,L) or Miami and it would be a curious predicament if he all of a sudden became productive for either one of these teams, to which i would wonder why Chicago didn't seek something in return (such as additional draft picks) before they had to digest his contract. Same thing they did with JR Smith and that obviously was a bad move.

Second, did you even read my post? I said he was motivated enough to get back into shape, but there were multiple factors that caused him to become a cancer for the Cavs.

His knees are bad, and no matter how "motivated" he is to play for a team, he is a shell of what kind of productivity he used to put on the floor. Can he be a role player on a different team? Sure.

Can he be an all star again? Doubt it.

Chicago saved millions of dollars over the next few years by making this trade. Thats why they didn't get more than they did. If Chicago is over the cap, they have to pay a luxury tax. For every year they have to pay the luxury tax, they have to pay a repeater tax. That trade saved them $20 million. Now they can go into next offseason (if they amnesty Boozer) to go get a player like Melo.

 

[ghostwriterx]

I think he gave a fukk in CLE but the Cavs play at too fast of a pace for him. Heat are a team that play faster than the Cavs because they are better and have athletes like Lebron. I'm really not sure how he would fit in there or on the Clippers.
I think he would do best in a slower paced half court offensive team.

Cleveland and Miami play at about the same pace (Cle slightly faster, both below league avg)
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/paceFactor

 

[Malta]

Seems like the Nets are the most likely place now, they have almost 6 million to spend and a hole at C.

It sounds like Miami is betting on Oden.

 

[The War Report]

 

[No Homo]

Seems like the Nets are the most likely place now, they have almost 6 million to spend and a hole at C.

It sounds like Miami is betting on Oden.

Na we have no interest in bynum. I doubt we use the DPE. All our roster spots are filled and we'd have to waive someone. If we use DPE it'll probably be in a trade.

 

[god shamgod]

@JasonLloydABJ
Luol Deng said hardest part of trade was explaining it to his mom. She couldn't understand why Bulls didn't want him anymore

tell moms you had ridiculous contract demands and rejected a solid offer from the bulls

 

[7oclock]

First of all, please show me these reports that said he was out of shape. There are multiple reports that he was in the gym from 9am-2pm every day since he signed with the Cavs. How is that not a good work ethic?

Here is a quote about him directly from Chris Grant:

"I have absolutely been blown away by his approach. Literally, [from] the day we signed him, the next day he was here and he has been here every day but Sunday working. During this rehab, this progression, obviously we have a very detailed plan that he's been on and he's following it to a T."

The guy lost 30 lbs over the summer and played on opening night. He was ready to go. If not, the trainers would not have let him.



Second, did you even read my post? I said he was motivated enough to get back into shape, but there were multiple factors that caused him to become a cancer for the Cavs.

His knees are bad, and no matter how "motivated" he is to play for a team, he is a shell of what kind of productivity he used to put on the floor. Can he be a role player on a different team? Sure.

Can he be an all star again? Doubt it.

Chicago saved millions of dollars over the next few years by making this trade. Thats why they didn't get more than they did. If Chicago is over the cap, they have to pay a luxury tax. For every year they have to pay the luxury tax, they have to pay a repeater tax. That trade saved them $20 million. Now they can go into next offseason (if they amnesty Boozer) to go get a player like Melo.

like I said, you don't know wtf you're talking about and don't know the difference between losing weight, being in shape, and being in NBA basketball shape which includes timing and shaking off rust. I said nothing about his work ethic.

Dec 9th: Progress has been slow, but it appears Cavaliers center Andrew Bynum is starting to show flashes of his former self after sitting out all of last season and struggling early this year

Nov 2: Bynum played again for the Cavs on Friday, and finished with five points and three rebounds in 11 minutes of action. He doesn’t yet appear to be anywhere near game shape, however, and with his history of injury, the team is taking the cautious approach in working him back to the point where he’ll be ready to play starter’s minutes

You're a fool, this is why I tried to dismiss the argument, not to get drawn out into a debate. Melo is not coming to the Bulls. The bulls still have Cap space issues; which despite all your insistence on trying to explain to me the fukkin cap rules and luxury/repeat tax (that you obviously regurgitated) but still missed the actually salary situation and the fact that after signing draft picks and Mirotic Melo would have to take significantly less to sign here smh.