The Coli's dark secret no one talks about: Kyrie and B. Knight are essentially the same players

[malbaker86]

I'd rather have Knight over Kyrie tbh w/you

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

Kyrie plays a good portion of his minutes with LeBron and Love on the bench.

You know that because you watch the games.

You wanted data and I supplied it.

You just going to ignore the offensive and defensive ratings?

You gonna ignore PER?

And Kyrie, LeBron and Love all average Damn near 40 minutes a game. Explain how Kyrie playing a good portion of the game without them?

 

[jaguar paw]

You gonna ignore PER?

Kyrie has the better PER. Every season.

@SchoolboyC already posted it.

As far as the stats go
2011-12: Kyrie (21.4 PER), Knight (11.7 PER)
2012-13: Kyrie (21.4 PER), Knight (12.0 PER)
2013-14: Kyrie (20.1 PER), Knight (16.5 PER)
2014-15: Kyrie (20.7 PER), Knight (18.8 PER)

 

[SpursFanSinceNovember2017]

You just proved his point

Knight's PER increases while Kyrie stays the same

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

You just proved his point

Knight's PER increases while Kyrie stays the same

This is where they want to say "But Kyrie is two years younger than Knight..." but can't because Knight and Kyrie were born within 4 months of each other

Make excuses for stagnant players while dismissing the ones who actually try to maximize their talent levels brehs

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

I'd rather have Knight over Kyrie tbh w/you

For half the salary I would too. Should be an EASY call. Some team about to get a steal with this kid this off-season

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

Dude brought up the eye test meter

 

[jaguar paw]

You just proved his point

Knight's PER increases while Kyrie stays the same

It's easier to improve PER when you start so low.

Kyrie's role has changed dramatically compared to last year. His usage rates have dropped. He's currently ranked 27th out of all PGs in the league.

The past 2 years Kyrie was ALWAYS top 3 in usage rates.

Usage is a major factor in PER.

Yet his stats haven't really dropped.

He's become more efficient on both sides of the ball. His turnovers should decrease as well the more he plays with this group.

 

[duncanthetall]

This dude says some silly shyt but isn't far off. At least Knight has continuously been getting better. Irving is the same player or maybe regressed

 

[I.V.]

A more accurate comparison: Dion Waiters and Bojan Bogdanovic are essentially the same player -

Waiters: 9.3 ppg on 39% shooting, 2.1 apg, 3.1 rpg and 1.2 tpg
Bogdanovic: 9.1 ppg on 42% shooting, 0.9apg, 3.0 rpg and 1.1 tpg

I know you'll ignore this @Eye Cue 182 or come in hollering bullsh*t that doesn't matter, but these are the facts. Bottomline: Bojan Bogdanovic has worked at his game at a high level since he's been in the league. Dion Waiters has not. Their career trajectories have relefcted this, as Bojan is still ascending and Waiters has plateaued since his rookie season. Again... this post is another 'FACTS ONLY PRODUCTION'. I dont give a sh*t if you disagree. Show me stats proving I'm wrong. If this current Cavs team had Bojan Bogdanovic instead of Dion Waiters, they would be no worse of a team.

Aye @Eye Cue 182 - you are ignoring this post like the yellow starburst, bruh.

Whycome?

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Surprised this hasnt been posted yet

 

[OG Talk]

I'd rather have Knight over Kyrie tbh w/you

I ain't even mad at this..

I mean you might lose money at the gate from casual fans that came of age during the And 1 era and are enamoured by his Globe Trotter chittlin circuit negro wizardry ...But the result from a W/L perspective would be pretty much the same..

 

[TOP LAD]

why is OP doing so much shielding in the 1st post? is he that insecure about what we think?

 

[Dayco23]

Having a PER over 20 every year for your first 4 years in the league is impressive.

This dude says some silly shyt but isn't far off. At least Knight has continuously been getting better. Irving is the same player or maybe regressed

Irving regressed last season due to a Mike Brown led offense and being double teamed every possession. This season he is playing an entirely different role and doing it efficiently.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This dude says some silly shyt but isn't far off. At least Knight has continuously been getting better. Irving is the same player or maybe regressed

He's been inconsistent over the last handful of games, but in his first 17 games he was playing better than Bron Bron + he had a 125 offensive rating, which was pretty much better than every other player in the league (except for Davis whose offensive rating was 125 too).