The Fermi Paradox: Reasons why we havent been visited by Aliens

[Professor Emeritus]

The OP missed one realistic theory.


Every civilization that advances to the point to be able to travel and communicate with other civilizations.....

instead develops virtual reality systems so good that the civilization's progress gets caught up in amazing fantasy worlds and real-life exploration loses all funding and energy.

 

[CHL]

The OP missed one realistic theory.


Every civilization that advances to the point to be able to travel and communicate with other civilizations.....

instead develops virtual reality systems so good that the civilization's progress gets caught up in amazing fantasy worlds and real-life exploration loses all funding and energy.

@2 Up 2 Down Star Wars

 

[Brown_Pride]

you do realize saying "well i guess ish is just random" is no different then "God of the gaps"

in the gaps you place "ish is just random ya know.." in the gaps believers will place "God did it."

my biblical space view is that obviously a creator created it all. (dont care who created the creator. it will take me millions of years to the millionth power for me to ask him how he made earth, let alone my solar system and all its inner workings. by the time i get finished with the universe, i wont even care who or what made him if anything did.

so now back to my view:

I believe nothing is random. all things are made/created for a reason/purpose. i believe we will figure out a lot (well a lot to human minds). but not much at all vs whats really out there to know. but we wont stop trying and we wont stop learning until we're gone for good.

So when randomness seems like the answer. the true answer is, "i dont know why this thing acts/reacts this way" its not really random. its just that I dont know why it is what it is or how it is. truth is, the idea of random isnt random. people use random numbers in calculations for what? a purpose. not for random sake.
if you think i'm just making something up see below




Now there is another theory of randomness that involves God/Creator. Lets say the creator was so intelligent, that he and only he could truly produce randomness. all due to the fact that he himself is infinite(I AM... meaning he always was and always will be). To be truly infinite is having the capability to produce true randomness. back to the random numbers. you cant produce random numbers because you cant keep pushing numbers out. the numbers go as far as your ram/memory will hold them. but if someone is truly infinite, he could create randomness. and lets say he chose to in certain instances. he would've still done ie for a purpose(reason).

you do realize that is essentially the scientific answer to everything right? I DON'T KNOW until i do?
Random doesn't mean "not scientific", nor does it mean without design. If I want to plant flowers and just toss the seeds around there is no real pattern behind my disbursement of seeds other than to say it's random.

As per your last point, when it comes to truely understanding "god" or a creator (be it the god of the bible, Odin, etc, etc, ) assuming you buy into this at any level it seams to me that anytime you run into a paradox (e.g. make a rock so big he can't lift, create something random yet still be all knowing...) that understanding of the universe is simply beyond us, beyond our comprehension and understanding likely involving levels of perception we can't even begin to fathom.

Again that's if you believe in a creator of any type in the first place.

 

[rapbeats]

you do realize that is essentially the scientific answer to everything right? I DON'T KNOW until i do?
Random doesn't mean "not scientific", nor does it mean without design. If I want to plant flowers and just toss the seeds around there is no real pattern behind my disbursement of seeds other than to say it's random.

As per your last point, when it comes to truely understanding "god" or a creator (be it the god of the bible, Odin, etc, etc, ) assuming you buy into this at any level it seams to me that anytime you run into a paradox (e.g. make a rock so big he can't lift, create something random yet still be all knowing...) that understanding of the universe is simply beyond us, beyond our comprehension and understanding likely involving levels of perception we can't even begin to fathom.

Again that's if you believe in a creator of any type in the first place.

my point was not to the scientists. its actually to those who follow science and try to use that to disprove a creator and say things like the "god of the gaps theory" when in reality. its called "random" of the gaps. there is literally no difference between the two. God is where we go when we dont know because we see God as some being that has so much knowledge we cant even fathom where it ends or starts. At the end of the day we're saying the same thing. "i have no idea what that is.. " lol.

 

[Brown_Pride]

my point was not to the scientists. its actually to those who follow science and try to use that to disprove a creator and say things like the "god of the gaps theory" when in reality. its called "random" of the gaps. there is literally no difference between the two. God is where we go when we dont know because we see God as some being that has so much knowledge we cant even fathom where it ends or starts. At the end of the day we're saying the same thing. "i have no idea what that is.. " lol.

more or less.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The Fermi paradox is intrinsically stupid

 

[Starman]

The Fermi paradox is intrinsically stupid

Where are the alien civilizations?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Where are the alien civilizations?

Thats like asking where the unicorns are.

Its a faulty question based on the assumption that there must be something there.

 

[Starman]

Thats like asking where the unicorns are.

Its a faulty question based on the assumption that there must be something there.

So why aren't there any?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Where are the alien civilizations?

They're on their computers, having virtual-reality sex that's WAY better than anything they were doing in real life.

 

[DrBanneker]

Given the age of the universe and the number of stars, and now as we know the number of planets, I highly doubt we are "first" but the question is are the distances too great or are we intentionally being left alone (a la Prime Directive) the probabilities are too compelling to say we are all that there is.

 

[Poitier]

Given the age of the universe and the number of stars, and now as we know the number of planets, I highly doubt we are "first" but the question is are the distances too great or are we intentionally being left alone (a la Prime Directive) the probabilities are too compelling to say we are all that there is.

Using this logic then the answer would've been answered since surely probability lends to many level 5 civilizations who could visit at anytime.

 

[lotteryplaya]

This is all very interesting. I feel like 4 and 8 are most likely.

 

[mc_brew]

interesting video...

 

[Menelik II]

interesting video...

glad to see Borat has still got work.

the main problem is space is so big, expensive to travel and slow unless you are massless.

our best bet is receiving a radio signal from aliens, we have only been broadcasting for 50 years max, and there are only 10 habitable planets within that distance. Even if they have already replied back, it takes years for their signal to reach us.