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The National Baptist Convention Of America (3.5 million strong) forms partnership with ADOS.
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Cosby provided the same support for Boyce's All Black National Convention that he now does with ados.
Cosby was linked to Boyce for years. They were so close that they planned to launch an offline campus version of the Black Business School.
These are old, day 1 connections you guys are just now finding out about and treating like Revelations. This is part of the origin, there's no co-opting on that front.
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Politics is an EXCHANGE!!!
The fuk type of racist caping rambling and irrational explaining is coming out your mouth?? Racism meets reparations is what we’re doing. Never saw Tariq posing and shucking in pics with racist cacs either or pandering to that element for donations. Knowing damn well if that was him cheesing in that pic there would be 20 threads about it as I type this. Dude had a problem with the kapernick kneeling, on a racist diatribe, but you think there’s no conflict to his million dollar donation to a black empowerment organization that will economically advantage black people?
You’re really trying to justify this - a blatant racist proponent “donates” money to a black organization that is a reparations representative and that’s all the fuk you say is “Let’s wait and see what happens”. “Play this out??!!” That’s the problem, it’s not a game. The game of Self sabotage is right there in front of your face. Right now, FBA is not looking like the agent of disinformation considering this church organization is cooperating with cacs as evidence.
I'm not defending the association with Papa John's dude but I won't presume some sinister intent without more evidence.
This happened in September. Has Cosby been speaking differently since then?
Also per Neely Fuller Jr (paraphrasing) if you need $ go to white people because they have all the damn $. As long as Cosby hasn't been acting different I'm going to hold off on calling him a sellout.
The main reason why I'm not too concerned is, ok so it turns out that Cosby and Yvette are doing some foul stuff. The movement will continue with out them.
We have the data, historical context and other information backing up the Reparations claim. Tone and Yvette got the ball rolling but to me this is much bigger than them.
We know we have start taking back black organizations and hold all elected officials to more account in terms of specifics for ADOS folks. Folks are doing this in their communities now and will continue even if some in the movement get compromised.
This thing is too big now.
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Ppl who are respected within the movement need to write a book fleshing our all of these issues. This thread is only 2 pages and I have no idea what the underlying strategy of the ADOS entails.
I already stated this, there's no central organizing body.
ados groups are independent local community groups.
Yvette and Tone took forever just to get a simple website up. There's no central group co-ordination, people took the initiative on their own to community organize.
Simmons to this point has just provided the venue for conferences, which is a big deal, but that's it so far.
It's local community organizing guys of a few ppl. Did y'all even read the NYT articles that explained this or do you want to believe Tariq Nasheed did more research on the ADOS ORGANIZATION than the New York Times.
It would be a concern if they stated that all ADOS should convert to Christianity and join a Baptist church.
All this is saying is one of the largest black voting groups in the country is getting behind ADOS and will be exposed to the information on ados101.com.
What happens if Farrakhan comes out next week saying that he's endorsing ADOS too?
That should be the goal.
Every "black" person who is a descendant of slaves in the US needs to be exposed to the data.
#ADOS – American Descendants of Slavery
Black Agenda
As a specific group with a specific justice claim, the #ADOS movement demands a specific agenda with policy prescriptions that address the losses stemming from the institution of slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, convict leasing, mass incarceration and immigration.
We demand a New Deal for Black America which includes, but is not limited to:
- We need set asides for American descendants of slavery, not “minorities”, a throw-away category which includes all groups except white men. That categorization has allowed Democrats to use programs like affirmative actions as “giveaways” to all groups in exchange for votes. The bribery must end. That begins with a new designation on the Census with ADOS and another for Black immigrants. Black immigrants should be barred from accessing affirmative action and other set asides intended for ADOS, as should Asians, Latinos, white women, and other “minority” groups. In addition, ADOS hiring and employment data must be demanded for all businesses receiving tax credits, incentives, and governmental support. As well as all governmental agencies national, state and local. It is our belief that this will show that there are minimal if any ADOS professionals in fields including but not limited to engineering, medical, legal and tech.
- Once affirmative action is streamlined as a government program only and specifically for ADOS, the program should be fully reinstituted.
- The Supreme Court decided wrongly when it gutted the Voting Rights Act. As the Atlanta Journal Constitution article “It’s Time to Solve the Mystery of the 100,000 Mystery Votes” indicates, the protections outlined in the Voting Rights Act are essential to protecting the rights of ADOS in America. Reinstituting the protections of The Voting Rights Act is a key part of our agenda.
- Black businesses only received 1.7% of the $23.09 billion in total SBA loans under President Obama’s SBA (Small Business Administration), after having previously received 8.2% under President George W. Bush. Succeeding as an entrepreneur requires capital, so our agenda demands that 15% of SBA loans be distributed to ADOS businesses.
- We seek a multi-billion dollar infrastructure plan targeted to ADOS communities, including, but not limited to, the Black Belt, Flint, Michigan. A Reuters examination published in 2016 found 3,000 cities with poisoning rates higher than Flint.
- Residents of majority ADOS areas that have been poisoned under the federal, local and state government’s watch, such as not only Flint, Michigan, but Denmark, South Carolina, and others, must be financially compensated for the benign neglect of the Environmental Protection Agency and the government in general. The Justice Department must also institute protections which exact heavy fines and federal criminal prosecution for future offenders.
- Mass incarceration has wreaked havoc on Black American families. By some accounts there are literally more black males imprisoned than all women are incarcerated on the planet. To give context there are 20 million black males, and they largely descend from slavery. While there are 4 billion women globally, both groups producing the same number of incarcerated. The reinvention of slavery through use of the 13th Amendment is chronicled by Douglas Blackmon in his PBS documentary “Slavery by Another Name”, it is our position this must be corrected. We demand a immediate assessment of the numbers of the #ADOS prison populations at the state & federal level. We also demand that there be review if punishment (bail amounts, sentence lengths, amount of time served before parole) is being levied at unfairly high levels on #ADOS based on gender and race for similar crimes to other groups. We demand that there be real prison reform in the form of investment into counseling, job training, and rehabilitation for our incarcerated.
- In the early eighties America committed to “strengthen the capacity of historically Black colleges and universities to provide quality education” in Executive Order 12320. President Obama undermined that commitment with changes to the PLUS Loan requirements. We call for legislation to triple the current federal allotment to HBCUs. Schools like Georgetown, built by slaves, have an endowment of over a billion dollars. This is a transfer of wealth from ADOS to whites. Our agenda demands that the federal government fully endow our remaining HBCUs in a dollar amount that meets the budgetary needs of each institution. In addition, ADOS students who attend HBCUs should receive a discount in the form of a 75 percent tax credit, given that our inability to pay the rising cost of education is directly tied to the racial wealth gap coming from slavery. ADOS who choose schools outside of the HBCU network should receive a 50 percent government funded credit.
- Findings published in USA Today concluded that top universities graduate ADOS in tech, but those graduates can’t find jobs in Silicon Valley. Only 2% of technology workers at seven Silicon Valley companies are Black, according to the report,and many of those are Black immigrants, not ADOS. And according to a study by Rutgers Professor Hal Salzman, American colleges graduate more tech workers than tech companies need, hence the H1-B program reduces opportunities for ADOS searching for careers in technology. The government must strictly limit the number of H1-B Visa workers tech companies that flow in each year.
- Audit the banks to see if there are patterns of racial discrimination in lending, and require these banks to extend loans to ADOS businesses. These banks received bailout from taxpayers and owe a debt to all taxpayers, regardless of race. In addition, banks such as Wells Fargo used predatory schemes historically, not just during the Great Recession, to eviscerate Black Wealth. Lending to Black businesses and institutions would be a beginning for banks to redress the harm they’ve caused to the ADOS community.
- Mandate that the government’s advertising budget include Black media. There is no ADOS community without our own media. Incentivize through legislative action that all major companies spend 10% of their advertising budget with ADOS media in exchange for tax credits. In addition, mandate that 10% of government advertising for governmental agencies, armed forces and other ancillary programs go to majority ADOS owned media companies.
- ADOS college debt should be forgiven in the same way losses were forgiven for the banks on Wall Street. Those executives oversaw the evaporation of billions in global wealth. ADOS graduates bought into the idea that the key to success in life was an education, and there was a place for us in America, only to find after graduation that we were locked out. We can’t afford to bear the burden of a lie.
- A health care credit to pay for medical coverage for all ADOS. This would cover surgery, pharmaceutical, and counseling needs. As an example we would like to see a Lineage Therapy, whereby #ADOS leadership, in co-operation with licensed therapists and psychiatrists, develop a therapy curriculum to help members of the ADOS understand and manage their ancestral traumas. This therapy should come at no cost to the ADOS community.
- America has never atoned for its original sin of slavery in the form of reparations. It is our position that H.R. 40 be fully rewritten to include reference to ADOS as the recipient group, cash payments, and additional supportive measures implemented. We need to gather the data on the level of wealth that was lost as a direct result of slavery, and the era of Jim Crow that followed. The paper “The Economics of Reparations” assessed the value today as:
#ADOS demands that there be a real review of direct payouts needed to be made to eligible recipients from gathered data, and progress be made toward making #ADOS families whole.
Without these measures being instituted, ADOS are locked out of the country our ancestors built during chattel slavery. Without reforms through transformative government, we will be left to continue living a third world life in a first world country.
Ok. But with all that planning and meeting up, what was the result of those efforts? What was actually implemented?
Cosby provided the same support for Boyce's All Black National Convention that he now does with ados.
Cosby was linked to Boyce for years. They were so close that they planned to launch an offline campus version of the Black Business School.
These are old, day 1 connections you guys are just now finding out about and treating like Revelations. This is part of the origin, there's no co-opting on that front.
The Roadmap to Reparations – #ADOS
The Roadmap to Reparations
In recent weeks as Democratic candidates have announced their bid for the Presidential nomination of the party, the national discussion is shifting from the U.S.-Mexico border and DACA to a reckoning with America’s original sin: chattel slavery.
From Kamala Harris to Elizabeth Warren, candidates have announced they are for reparations and then shown a clear lack of understanding of what that commitment means in their respective solutions. What Senator Harris is proposing in her LIFT act, is a class-oriented response to an injustice that is grounded in race.
Senator Warren is suggesting she would include Native Americans in a reparations package, and Senator Bernie Sanders has put forth a stance that is tantamount to being against reparations altogether. A major driver for this discussion has been the online movement #ADOS, or American Descendants Of Slavery, which was founded by Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell.
Our movement aims to make U.S. descendants of slavery whole by foregrounding the necessity of recompense for the wide-ranging damages done to black America throughout our nation’s history. A justice claim beginning with slavery, and encompassing the legacy of disadvantage which reaches right up to the present.
If America truly hopes to heal from the tragedy of slavery and the systemic racism that followed, the country will need to pay a multi-trillion dollar debt to American descendants of slavery in the form of both cash payments and large scale programs. When assessing the concept of reparations, the key factors we need to look at are: 1) how much would it cost, 2) who should receive it, and 3) how do we implement it.
How much would it cost?
While the sum owed in reparations for the entirety of anti-black discrimination in the United States is undetermined, the amount of the claim just evaluating slavery in isolation—without the era of Jim Crow that followed—is in the trillions. The market price of the average slave was roughly equal to the price of a house; using relative earnings, a single slave worth $400 in 1850 would today be worth $195,000. As Professor Sandy Darity Jr.—a leading economist and premiere scholar in the area of American reparations— and Prof. Dania Frank have illustrated using the work of Vedder, Gallaway and Klingaman, the gains in wealth to white southerners from ownership of blacks in 1859 was $3.2 million. In today’s dollars, the value of that debt is estimated to be somewhere between $5 to $10 trillion dollars, depending upon the interest rate used for compounding purposes. Economist Larry Neal of the University of Illinois calculated an even more specific number looking just at wages. His research indicated that between the years of 1620-1840, minus the cost of maintenance (medical, food, housing) descendants of slaves in America were owed $1.4 trillion. Using an interest rate of 5%, that’s a total of $8.4 trillion in today’s money just in lost wages.
All too often we forget what slavery was as an institution. Slavery, it must be understood, served as the foundational pillar of American free market capitalism and was essential in shaping our core beliefs and attitudes about that economic system. It was one man using governmental legal advantage—expressed through race—to not only lock another man out of free trade, but also force him to be the very commodity which was to be traded under the most horrific conditions imaginable. Moreover, despite what has been taught, slavery was not just an institution particular to the regional South; rather, it was an American institution. All of the transatlantic shipping ports for cotton were located in the North, much of the manufacturing for slave clothes was in the North, and, most importantly, the banks that undergirded a system that made man into currency were in the North. Even if a person did not own slaves, white America as a whole greatly benefited from the nation’s economic growth as a result of slavery as an institution.
In addition, the period of Jim Crow that followed made black Americans into a literal contagion to wealth. Whether by employment racism, redlining, or outright theft of land the little black wealth that did exist was constantly pillaged. To give context through redlining a process where neighborhoods were graded for home loans, — with those communities with any black families receiving the lowest grade — the government through the Federal Housing Administration made it so a single black family’s presence literally destroyed home ownership wealth not only for that family, but the whole neighborhood that surrounded. Forcing black life to be closed off from gaining wealth during America’s most prosperous periods. This left blacks shut out of an America their forefathers built well after the last of the slaves were freed. All while after the New Deal white home ownership rates rose from below 50%, to now being above 70%, occupying most of the prime real estate across the country. In contrast black home ownership rates are currently at their lowest levels in 50 years, and have seen little to no growth since the Civil Rights era. This is mirrored in ownership of rural land, according to the USDA black America, despite building the nation as slaves, own less than 1 percent of rural land in the country. The combined value of this land being a mere $14 billion. White Americans, by comparison, own more than 98 percent of U.S. agricultural land amounting to 856 million acres, with a total worth of over $1 trillion. Of all private U.S. agricultural land, Whites account for 96 percent of the owners, 97 percent of the value, and 98 percent of the acres. These are the financial echoes of slavery and Jim Crow reverberating in our society today.
With this in mind, the U.S. owes a massive debt to the progeny of American slavery. What we find is that the consequences of the creation of race and the dissemination of advantage and wealth based on color and lineage has had lasting impacts on those families that were continuously left out of America, all while their descendants bodies and labor built the very foundation this nation sits upon.
Who should receive it?
While wealth transferred through reparations can never make right those wrongs done to African Americans through chattel slavery and the periods of anti-black discrimination that followed, we as a society are obligated to make those families whole who were so wronged at the hands of such an immoral institution. Recently we have seen the United States paying out reparations from France to Holocaust victims. And while the millions paid to those victims is substantially lower than the trillions needed to make black Americans whole, the method used in determining who was a victim proves useful in terms of guidance. Stuart Eizenstat, the State Department’s special adviser for Holocaust issues, stated “We made the argument [to the French government] that they were standing in the shoes of people who would have been eligible” in justifying heirs to be eligible to receive reparations. In the case of the debt owed for slavery in the United States, this line of logic is just as applicable, if not more so. For generations the cost of slavery and blackness has been passed down through the creation of a caste system whereby African Americans are chained to the bottom of society because of their dire economic condition, and the cyclical cost of race.
By every legitimate metric this is a multi-trillion-dollar debt. However, that sum will not be paid out to black Americans at large, but would instead go specifically to the progeny of victims of American chattel slavery and the oppressions that followed, such as Jim Crow. Using the standards set out in the paper by Prof. Darity and Prof. Frank, “The Economics of Reparations,” the criteria for eligibility would be:
- An individual would have to provide reasonable documentation of at least one ancestor enslaved in the United States and
- They would need to demonstrate they have identified as black, African American, Colored, or Negro on established legal documents for at least 10 years prior to the onset of the program
Effectively this would limit reparations solely to those people who have lineage that ties them both to slavery in the United States, and the subsequent era of Jim Crow. Any black immigrant who came to the United States voluntarily after slavery would not be eligible to receive reparations. This distinction is critical since a sizeable number of black immigrants in fact arrived in the U.S. following black America’s most historically significant and economically detrimental periods that occurred prior to the Civil Rights movement. In fact few if any voluntary black immigrants outside of students were in the United States prior to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. As shown by the Smithsonian, “Before 1965, black people of foreign birth residing in the United States were nearly invisible. According to the 1960 census, their percentage of the population was to the right of the decimal point.” Importantly, this pre-1965 group of black immigrants mostly originated from the Caribbean, and—as such—would have their own particular claims to make against European nations for the harms they suffered based on the slavery instituted within their Caribbean country of origin. Reparations for American chattel slavery would exclude black immigrant populations that voluntarily migrated to America, which—since 1980—have undergone an unprecedentedly sharp expansion, increasing from 816,000 in 1980 to 4.2 million as of 2016. After deducting for these foreign-born blacks and their offspring conceived by two parents who didn’t descend from American chattel slavery, the recipient group shrinks substantially.
How do we implement It?
Reparations can be paid for by the US government through taxation or borrowing. Using modern monetary theory, you could first fund reparations, and the subsequent tax revenue generated by spending would pay for the cost. America could also fund reparations and proceed to hold jointly liable all involved African nations that traded slaves to America’s shores in mass, and Great Britain whom was in control of America from 1619 -1776, and was among the main beneficiaries of the cotton produced after America’s independence.
Reparations should come in the form of a large cash payment to African Americans, as well as large-scale initiatives targeted at this specific group: American Descendants Of Slavery. These policy items could include—but should not be limited to—debt free college, home ownership assistance, business financing support, fully endowing all historically black colleges (and incentivizing those schools to admit descendants of American slavery), guaranteed government contracts for black businesses, and free medical care.
Regardless of how it’s paid for this is the longstanding American debt whose recompense will cleanse our nation’s soul. Initiating a reparations plan can lead to a moment of restorative justice as envisioned by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. when he sought economic inclusion of black America so long ago. In making the first step, what’s required above all is the resolve to frame the discussion around bold, large-scale proposals for achieving reparative justice. These are the imaginative times we have waited on for generations. Reparations and the call to make it a reality are finally upon us. It is our job to answer that call and begin to help America repent for its original sin of slavery.
About ADOS – #ADOS
About ADOS
#ADOS was started by the brain trust of Howard graduate and host of the Breaking Brown political show, Yvette Carnell, and UCLA alumnus and attorney, Antonio Moore who hosts the weekly radio show Tonetalks. ADOS—which stands for American Descendants of Slavery—seeks to reclaim/restore the critical national character of the African American identity and experience, one grounded in our group’s unique lineage, and which is central to our continuing struggle for social and economic justice in the United States.
In his book, American Slavery, American Freedom, the historian Edmund Morgan concludes that slavery was not a contradiction of American freedom, but rather that slavery was the institution that made white freedom possible. In other words, slavery was not a mistake so much as a precondition for a societal hierarchy which requires descendants of slaves to remain a bottom caste and be made to suffer the necessary failures of a brutal economic system. This was followed by a Jim Crow-era that saw #ADOS become actual contagions that lead to a destruction of wealth; through federally-supported, discriminatory practices like redlining, black presence literally made wealth disappear in communities, all while American whites—and more recently, immigrants— enjoy advantage in a land of apparently equal opportunity that was in fact manufactured on the back of black failure.
According to Yale historian David Blight, “by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States. In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.”
Codified by government and exploited by private actors, the creation of an #ADOS underclass served as the financial engine of a nation that never recognized the debt it owed to the group as a result. As such, the #ADOS movement is underpinned by the demand for reparative justice in making the group whole, and as a necessary component in fulfilling the promise of opportunity from which, by design, ADOS have been historically excluded and denied.
The truth of ADOS life is seen nowhere more clearly than the racial wealth gap in this country:
Closing the racial wealth gap requires a New Deal for Black America. President Trump’s assertion during the 2016 Presidential campaign that Black Americans “have nothing to lose” was met with defiance by those on the Left, but the data supported the statement. From over all wealth levels, to home ownership, to student debt levels and beyond African Americans across this nation are suffering. According to a study from Brookings, half of Black Americans who are born poor stay poor. Most Black kids who are born into middle class families are downwardly mobile. And as Duke University economist Dr. William “Sandy” Darity, and co-founder of the ADOS movement, Antonio Moore, along with other researchers observed in their study What We Get Wrong About Closing the Racial Wealth Gap, the concentration of ADOS at the bottom economically is a consequence of lack of wealth transfers and multi-generational oppression, not individual agency or cultural patterns:
#ADOS #AmericanDOS sets out to shift the dialogue around the identity of what it is to be African American in an effort to move the discussion from melanin, and properly center the discussion around lineage.
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Thanks for the info. But when I say strategy I mean politically. Is it by forging relationships with conservatives? Mass protest? Maybe that hasn’t yet been finalized or I’m sure different ppl have different ideas...
Here's the cliff notes version of ados (which for most of the time was called dos) came about it, the connection to Cosby and how people started to organize around it.
2016
Breaking Brown Live launches with Irami the night of the election. Yvette is still working for Boyce until the end of the year. The same year Yvette speaks at Boyce's All Black National Convention hosted by Rev. Cosby.
2017
Dr. Cosby in a recommendation from Boyce invites Yvette to speak at the West Lousiville forum which her and Tone attend in 2018 along with Angela Project. These objectives are largely appeals to religious communities for group action This is the first lecture.
The idea for chapters and meetup groups was heavily pushed by Yvette's cohost Irami with the goal to forum local community meetup groups to formulate over local black politics. This local group idea was two years in the making. Yvette and Irami split because they had disagreements on how to go about. Irami still does his local political organing show. This was their first attempt, after this they split.
2018
This is when ados and Yvette and Tone's following is getting bigger but there's still no formal agenda (ados 101) website, meeting, t-shirts..nothing. ADOS is being called DOS or AADOS at this time, even NBA. Yvette's listeners take it upon themselves to locally organize and do what Yvette and Tone were planning. Many of Yvette and Tone's listeners were already involved in local politics. They didn't need order or help from Yvette. Some of these people spoke at the conference.
Listen to Yvette's FBA/ADOS vid. The first caller speaks on how she and other listeners decided to form their own meetups independently of Yvette.
By late 2018 the local community groups are everywhere!! The names ADOS finally sticks. Reparations is the agenda
Around this time after Luvvie fiasco Tariq picks up on many of the same sentiments expressed by Yvette. By late 2018 he using ados
2019
This is when shyt pops off
Kamala announces presidency in January
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There's online pushback, many people including the most visible Tariq starts using #ados
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MSNBC launches a story that bots are trying to undermine Kamala Harris using dos ados. Real ados supporters pushback and become activated on Twitter. Tone eventually launches ados101 that lays out the agenda and data points him and Yvette have been using for years.
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A month or so later, Talib Kweli launches an attack on ados calling us right-wing
The ados conference happens
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The NYT article comes out which deads the right-wing theory, but Tariq the next day makes a tweet seemingly endorsing Trump, a week or so before he decided to launch the FBA conference.
and here we are. 2019 has just been and amplification of the work and connections that took place prior to this year. The formal agenda ados101 and the strategies like down-ballot and project takeover laid out months ago at the conference is the culmination of the work done.
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I was in this thread commenting hours before you faggit
King, you're a grown man, Stop this charade.
oh shytttttttt.....That's the racist Papa John's owner with the leader of this Natl. Church Convention
Looks like corporate sponsorship to me.
Make it make sense. Didn't I just say vet for conflict of interests, don't automatically hop on the collective support campaign. This..smh.
Papa John's donated to the HBCU after the racial scandal
The restuarant Denny's back in the day had a racist incident and donated a scholarship black American students.
This is typical and not really unusual when corporations have racial incidents. They 'make amends' for harm done going foward.
HBCU's like Simmons College of Kentucky are in no position to not receive a donation like that imo.
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