The new generation isn’t buying the MJ propaganda

[FunkDoc1112]

And that's why 2006 Kobe is the best scoring season ever.

87 MJ and 19 Harden averaged more per possession, actually (and in raw numbers)

 

[10bandz]

87 MJ and 19 Harden averaged more per possession, actually.

2006 Kobe is the #1 scoring season ever adjusted for pace. You're talking about stats being deflated from the 90s/00s but u wanna use a metric that is only per possession

 

[FunkDoc1112]

2006 Kobe is the #1 scoring season ever adjusted for pace. You're talking about stats being deflated from the 90s/00s but u wanna use a metric that is only per possession

Incorrect - you're not accounting for minutes played. Points per 100 possession is LITERALLY pace adjusted. Like, that's literally what pace is - possessions per game adjusted for 48 minutes. If you don't equalize the minutes...they're literally not playing the same amount of possessions so the comparison is invalid.

If you adjust Harden's minutes to 41 MPG his numbers would go up to 40.1 PPG vs Kobe's 39.1. But nobody would play 41 MPG in 2019, so it would make more sense to adjust Kobe's minutes to Harden's (36.8)...which would put him at 35.1 PPG vs Harden's 36.7

The whole point of the per possession comparison is if every player was playing the same amount of possessions, which means same amount of MINUTES, too, what would their numbers be? Harden's is higher, but once again Kobe fans don't know how advanced stats actually work.

Per 100 possessions (which equalizes everybody at 48 MPG):

Harden: 48.2 PPG
MJ: 46.4 PPG
Kobe: 45.6 PPG

Harden has the highest pace-adjusted PPG, you can literally look it up on basketball reference

The other problem with that Tweeter's methodology is he just applied a flat pace adjustment of the league's overall pace in 2006 to 2019's overall numbers when the actual adjustment is his team's pace to a set pace number. This part is superfluous and I already know you're gonna accuse me of Juelzing, I'm just breaking down why you're wrong so hopefully you stop talking numbers without knowing how the numbers actually work prior

 

[10bandz]

Incorrect - you're not accounting for minutes played. Points per 100 possession is LITERALLY pace adjusted. If you don't equalize the minutes...they're literally t=playing the same amount of possessions so the comparison is invalid.

If you adjust Harden's minutes to 41 MPG his numbers would go up to 40.1 PPG. But nobody would play 41 MPG in 2019, so it would make more sense to adjust Kobe's minutes to Harden's (36.8)...which would put him at 35.1 PPG.

The whole point of the per possession comparison is if every player was playing the same amount of possessions, which means same amount of MINUTES, too, what would their numbers be? Harden's is higher, but once again Kobe fans don't know how advanced stats actually work.

Per 100 possessions (which equalizes everybody at 48 MPG):

Harden: 48.2 PPG
MJ: 46.4 PPG
Kobe: 45.6 PPG

Harden has the highest pace-adjusted PPG, you can literally look it up on basketball reference

Pace Adjusted Per 75 Single Season Scoring Leaders | Hardwood Amino

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Is Rockets' James Harden really having the best scoring season ever?

James Harden is doing some crazy stuff this season. The former Sixth Man of the Year is nearly averaging an unfathomable 40 points per game. He just scored 60 points in a little more than 30 minutes of game action and hasn’t scored fewer than 25 points in a game since opening night. Defenses are...

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Holy, Kobe Bean Bryant! After adjusting for pace, Bryant’s 2005-06 campaign floats to the top of the list, up from his previous spot of 11th-best. It’s one thing to average 35.4 points per game, but it’s another to do it while playing at a snail’s pace. In Phil Jackson’s return to the Staples Center bench after a one-year hiatus, the Lakers barely cleared 90 possessions per game, over 40 fewer possessions per game than Chamberlain’s record-holding ‘61-62 campaign.

fukk outta here

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Pace Adjusted Per 75 Single Season Scoring Leaders | Hardwood Amino

Process: · Gather every single qualified scorer who averaged over 25 PPG from 1974 to 2020 (280 i

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Is Rockets' James Harden really having the best scoring season ever?

James Harden is doing some crazy stuff this season. The former Sixth Man of the Year is nearly averaging an unfathomable 40 points per game. He just scored 60 points in a little more than 30 minutes of game action and hasn’t scored fewer than 25 points in a game since opening night. Defenses are...

www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com

fukk outta here

Their methodology is wrong. You're supposed to adjust their TEAM'S pace to a flat number, not the league average pace because team's play at varying paces. For example, the 06 Lakers played at a faster pace than the league average, while the 19 Rockets and '87 Bulls were among the slowest teams in their respective leagues, well below the averages. the 87 Bulls being dead last. The ACTUAL, properly done numbers are right here for you to see (per 75 is arrived at the same way, just with 75 instead of 100):

NBA & ABA Single Season Leaders and Records for Points Per 100 Possessions | Basketball-Reference.com

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The point of the stat is to show how every player would perform in the same conditions. Adjusting the league pace instead of team pace just tells you what Kobe would do on one of the fast teams in the league in 2019, not if he and Harden played at the same pace. Again, y'all are not equipped for these conversations because y'all don't know how to properly do these stats.

 

[Illin Degenerate]

there is another way you can argue kobe's scoring season is the best in the modern era. percentage of team's points scored per game.
kobe 05-06 35.6%
jordan 86-87 35.4%
harden 18-19 31.6%

the only player in nba history who carried a bigger burden of their team's scoring in nba history is of course wilt who topped that 35.6% twice in the 60-61 and 61-62 seasons.

 

[fifth column]

Gen X and older Millenials (let's call em Xennials, like 1980-1985) are definitely the MJ crowd, mid-millenials (85-90) I've noticed are split between Kobe and LeBron and then Zillenials like myself lean more Bron

You own LeBron’s shoe?

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Gen X and older Millenials (let's call em Xennials, like 1980-1985) are definitely the MJ crowd, mid-millenials (85-90) I've noticed are split between Kobe and LeBron and then Zillenials like myself lean more Bron

100%

I'm a 1986 baby and split 50/50 on em.

 

[R=G]

Lol...they love those shoes though

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Gen Z (at least the ones actually in the league) don’t fukk with LeBron like that. They’re literally seamlessly beating him off the dribble, scoring, and shouting out Kobe

It makes sense though.

You can model your game off Kobe.

Vast majority of wing players are built like Kobe, MJ etc.

Bron is more comparable to someone like Wilt or Shaq. Physical freak that doesn't have an obvious comparison. Can't really play like Bron anymore than a football player could play like Moss or Prime.

 

[NotAHotep]

You own LeBron’s shoe?

LeBron's shoes are mostly for perfomance. Not casual wear. Not sure why that's relevant.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Exactly lol. Bron and his boys been running a "better than MJ" campaign for 20 years now. For Kobe it was always just about being considered on MJ's level, which he accomplished. Phil always said MJ was better but also acknowledged several things Kobe did better than Mike. Kobe fans never hated MJ, tried to downplay his era, etc.

The argument really was always "he's near Jordan" it was never about desperately trying to place Kobe above him with a full propaganda campaign. When the Last Dance was airing, it was the Bron fans that went ghost for some strange reason. Certain brehs literally didn't post for over a month

Kobe Stans look at Jordan like the big brother we tried to be better than. There's competition/sibling rivalry for sure but there's a lot of similarity there like two siblings who grew up in the same household with mom and dad. We don't get butthurt because one, we know the talent gap isn't as wide as people try to pretend it is, and two, Jordan was a beast. He's fun to watch and you can see where Kobe, and to a lesser extent Kawhi, got their influence from. I don't think Bron Stans feel the same connection to Jordan. There's no love there :

 

[FunkDoc1112]

there is another way you can argue kobe's scoring season is the best in the modern era. percentage of team's points scored per game.
kobe 05-06 35.6%
jordan 86-87 35.4%
harden 18-19 31.6%

the only player in nba history who carried a bigger burden of their team's scoring in nba history is of course wilt who topped that 35.6% twice in the 60-61 and 61-62 seasons.

Harden played 4 less MPG than Kobe and MJ - % of scoring when they're on the floor is a more accurate number. No superstar's gonna match those type of team-wide percentages anymore because they play less minutes than pre-2010s.

 

[Osmosis]

The eye test

 

[fifth column]

LeBron's shoes are mostly for perfomance. Not casual wear. Not sure why that's relevant.

Point is LeBron is disqualified from non manufactured goat talk. He has no influence on the basketball culture like MJ, Kobe, Steph, AI etc.. His popularity is propped up by Le-media, Klutz sports and y’all sycophants. The new stars are being compared to Mike, Kobe and AI.