Essential The Official Battle Rap Random Thoughts Thread (URL, KOTD, UW etc...)

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Math and Lux is a horrible match up, but I see what you're saying. But I also see why he took calicoe perfect "top tier" guy to put a :deadhorse: on.

As strange as it sounds, for me Calicoe made Top Tier after the Lux battle.

I only see a handful of guys actually being Top Tier everyone else is in the URL are borderin on Upper Mid Tier/Mid Tier. :manny:
 

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As strange as it sounds, for me Calicoe made Top Tier after the Lux battle.

I only see a handful of guys actually being Top Tier everyone else is in the URL are borderin on Upper Mid Tier/Mid Tier. :manny:

That's the funny thing. Got style on by Lux but it somehow cemented him in the upper echelons.

As far as top tier goes? For me in all of battle rap it's only:

Hollow
Con
Rex
Diz
Ars
Holla
Clips
Math
Verb

Not just a measure of how "good" they are, but really a mix of ability, popularity, and how many big names they face.
 

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That's the funny thing. Got style on by Lux but it somehow cemented him in the upper echelons.

As far as top tier goes? For me in all of battle rap it's only:

Hollow
Con
Rex
Diz
Ars
Holla
Clips
Math
Verb

Not just a measure of how "good" they are, but really a mix of ability, popularity, and how many big names they face.


Yeah thats pretty much how I see it + Calicoe, with Ill, Surf & Big T being borderline. And if Ill's battles with Con & JC as good as been reported then Ill will make it.
 

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How is Surf, T, Factor and Ill not top tier?

Verb has damn near lost every battle he's been in, minus the Hitman one, since 2010, and nikkas still crown him. And mind you, he's one of my favorites, but facts are facts. He hasn't been that nice in a long time.
 

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I always equate the politics of battle rap to boxing.

Lux choosing Calicoe is like a fighter choosing Ricardo Mayorga. Sure he's dangerous with a good resume, but he's never going to beat a technically sound fighter with a good defense. Calicoe was tailor made for Lux. Nowhere near the wordplay and a background that left him completely exposed to the OG angle. Like, you can't even listen to the two of them rap and believe they're anywhere near the same level.

Now Hollow? :whoo: Completely different animal.
:salute: I was searching my mind for a boxing analogy and I was about to post that same exact thing. Calicoe is a flawed top tier battle rapper. Lux was Trinidad and Cal was Mayorga. He got picked apart by a more technically sound battler, who managed to use nearly all of the tools of a modern battler (props, personals, slogans, exposing his opponent, extended schemes with a constant theme,etc). While Lux was using all those tools, Cal was relying on regular bars he could've used against anyone, that while hot, weren't creative, complex, or ill enough to let him standout.

Cal was absolutely the best comeback opponent for Lux. Hollow would've been the worst, because if you choke and spot him a round, especially the first, then you've got no shot. And at this point, I can't see how Lux can beat Hollow.
 

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Yeah thats pretty much how I see it + Calicoe, with Ill, Surf & Big T being borderline. And if Ill's battles with Con & JC as good as been reported then Ill will make it.

My view exactly :myman:

How is Surf, T, Factor and Ill not top tier?

Verb has damn near lost every battle he's been in, minus the Hitman one, since 2010, and nikkas still crown him. And mind you, he's one of my favorites, but facts are facts. He hasn't been that nice in a long time.

Verb and Math both fell out of my top tier. Math got back in with the Arsonal battle, and then getting matched up with Holla and Pat Stay. Verb just keeps on getting big battles despite the fact that as you said, he's been meh for years now minus Hitman.
 

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:dwillhuh::ohhh:more info on the spike?

Download the live audio. The rest of his round was basically insinuating there was a snitch in his camp or him, and furthering the "cockfighting" homo angle. On the he video, Cal's man looks like he wants to fight. It wasn't over "y'all Detroit nikkas still cockfighting". It was vulgar. Uneasy :scusthov:
 

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I'm glad yall callin out verb. Who the hell can he really beat anymore that matters :scusthov: nikka needs to fall back for awhile after that Rex shyt.
 

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I honestly still don't see how verb beat Hitman, yeah the "Big Gerald" line was nice and gave him that round, but the other two:usure:....I don't see it and I rewatched this battle multiple times, I honestly can't say verb is top tier anymore he on his way to :flabbynsick: status, he needs a non debatable body bag to not get washed out
 

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Nah Verb beat Hitman. He was way more lyrical and did more hard hitting personals. You can tell what he was saying, even prior to the Big Gerald shyt, was phasing Verb. Nothing Holla really said isn't anything Verb probably wouldn't tell you himself.

Hitman was crazy in that battle too though.
 

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How is Surf, T, Factor and Ill not top tier?

Verb has damn near lost every battle he's been in, minus the Hitman one, since 2010, and nikkas still crown him. And mind you, he's one of my favorites, but facts are facts. He hasn't been that nice in a long time.

Let me put in a disclaimer on my post 1st

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Like Rhymus said, popularity comes into it, when we talk about Top tier discussion and we all know popularity means views to go along with the resumes, writing & performing (& all the intangibles that go into that) part of battling. Yeah its shyt when battlers use views on whether they gunna battle someone, but as You are a wrestling man who understand about the buyrates aspect of that field on who was a draw and who wasnt, views has to be apart of battling to see who is actually top tier.

I only have Surf borderline because his resume doesnt have the names on it, before Con, Surf's biggest battle was Big T. With him retiring and unretiring every other day, its hard to really place him.

Now as for the Yung Ill, Xfactor & Big T. To me Xfactor is the defintion of Upper Mid Tier, hes good but his battles when not battling bigger name, views wise aint poppin like that, they respectable #'s no doubt but compared to those names, they dont compete.

Yung Ill has too many inconsistent performances over the past 2 years, mainly from him being unmotivated and he also complained about not gettin Top tier dudes in the past, and top Tier dudes dont complain about not gettin the battles they really want. While Ill is a complete battler and has a strong resume, apart from the Rex battle his next highest battles been stuck in the 700ks and they been out for well over 18 months.

Big T doesnt battle enough and while his writing is Top Tier his performance is good but he dont bring in views either on his own.

Now for the debatables

Your right about Verb, right now he is borderline/upper mid tier, but the thing with Verb is that he still gets those top battles and people still want to battle him. B-Magic, Swave etc all want to battle him because they regard him as a top tier breh. Like I said before about top tier dudes dont call out those underneath. For those battles to happen, they gunna have to overpaid Verb

Really and truly Clips shouldnt be Top Tier either because his views dont do #'s like everyone else on the list does and his writing is alright. But much like Verb, he has such a high demand of people wantin to battle him and his battles always have some sort of fukkery happenin in them that have people debating them over and over. Hes just one charismatic likeable breh

Yeah Math isnt a view getter aswell and that off performance vs Calicoe hurt his stock abit but it seems hes making up the fact for his lack of battling over the last few years with the battles he has taken over the past 6 months and his forthcoming ones. Also also apart from maybe Rex/Mook even when Math aint battling he always get mentioned in battles and in most peoples eyes he will always been known for hittin Dose. That is his legacy

Ill, Surf & Big T all borderline to Top Tier, they either got to get more of the right battles or get their views up. Ill & Surf are close tho

Now if we were doing Top Faves List Ill would be on it.
 
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