I think there is a stigma against verb though that clips didnt have up until failry recently. basically up until he lost to hollow and lux back to back, nobody cared if clips didnt show up on small leagues and things like that but with verb they did. i think verb has always been seen as a villian in Ny because thats his image he came out with since he started, the whole midwest vs ny thing. and it has imo affected his battles in NY i think he has some legitamcy when he used excuses. not always, sometimes he has been mad lazy and he stumbles way too much for my liking even when he does well lately. having said that, if we judge him on home battles, not even only st louis but just midwest, hes usually always seen as giving a good performance there, even when imo it may be mediocre like vs surf. a lot of the NY legends never battle on the road ever. so i dont think verb is wrong when he points that out. also mook has haters but he has stans too. maybe not on in TBZ but in reality. and if looks like the room is rocking with Mook which I can very easily see, verb will be seen as the loser even if when we analyze it, verb had the better bars. but well see you maybe right