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All the excuses Arum came out with did he ever bring up the 100% PPV for Floyd as a reason the fight could not get made??

From 2/1/12
Mayweather Discusses Cotto Fight, Shreds Pacquiao, More - Boxing News

Mayweather:" I presented Pacquiao with the fight. Pacquiao is blowing a lot of smoke up everybody's ass. He doesn’t really want to fight. I tried to get him to step up to the plate. We're talking about a $10 million dollar fighter that I tried to give $40 million dollars*to, and we didn't even talk about the backend. Everything that everybody is hearing is a bunch of lies. I got proof. The proof is in the pudding. I got proof from all of my meetings with [Pacquiao’s adviser] Michael Koncz."

According to Floyd he offered 40 million without even discussing the back end which makes sense cuz if Cotto can get ppv why wouldn' t :deadmanny:

Floyd and his camp was erry where during that time trying to set up the fight....why go thru all that trouble for show when the public demand for that fight died down considerably?? Arum didn't want the damn fight...Floyd wanted it....I believe :deadmanny: wanted it Arum did not N Arum goin do what he wanna do


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Floyd said it right here out of his mouth.. listen to this clip at 6:40 mark



Bob Costas - but the key he(koncz) says is that you offered him 40, but you take all the ppv and he thinks there might be 150 million bucks in ppv, so his side of the story is, "hey, either a 50/50 split" or he says he proposed 45/45 and the remaining 10 percent goes to the winner

Floydie - ummm... how my deal is structured at this paricular time in the sport of boxing is ummmm.. I KEEP 100 PERCENT OF THE REVENUE

Pac confirmed what Mayweather has already said in the Costas interview when they were on the phone in this clip skip to 1:36



That bytch didn't want the fight breh.. All that shyt Floyd was talking was publicity so stupid Floyd fans like you would think he was going out his way to make the fight happen.. Floyd knew a fight could never be made if he refused to except less than 100% rev thats why he offered it dummy... Obviously this is why Arum said they were no longer interested in the fight and were choosing to go in the direction of Bradley and Marquez..

floydie had no intenion of fighting Pac.. even his ex girlfriend 50 cent admitted to this..

The question came out of left field but the recording artist known as 50 Cent took it head on.

Did Floyd Mayweather duck Manny Pacquiao?

‘Yes,’ said the rapper who was Mayweather’s business partner during the brief period when a rock-solid proposal for boxing’s first and long-awaited $200million fight was firmly on the table.

Yes?

‘He did duck the fight. That was $100m right there for him and he just left it.’

The issue of which of the two best pound-for-pound fighters in the world at that moment refused to fight the other has vexed the rival legions of Mayweather and Pacquiao fans for years. And a lot of knowing fingers have been pointed at the PacMan’s promoter, Bob Arum.

But few insiders are better positioned to settle that argument than 50 Cent, who became involved with the PacMan after falling out with Mr Money but can now pass impartial judgement as an independent promoter in his own right.

So did Mayweather fear Pacquiao when both were at the height of their powers two years ago?

‘I wouldn’t say he’s afraid of Pacquiao or any fighter,’ says 50 Cent. ‘There were two reasons. He concentrates on how much someone else is getting paid as opposed to how much he’s making. Then he sees himself as being so high on top that he won’t give some of the other great fighters a chance to get up to that position.

‘It’s more a question of who it is necessary for him to fight. So its more about finding the perfect opponent than finding the toughest fighter to fight. When you’re looking to go into the history books you do it a bit differently. You fight the other great fighters.

‘But for Floyd it’s business. About making the right financial decisions. How do you stretch out how many wins on you record?’

Mayweather watchers have long sensed that he is obsessive about protecting his unbeaten record. Even casual observers know why this man calls himself Money, so it surprises virtually nobody that he has now found a way in which he might double his $100m share of a Pacquaio fight, albeit through a lot more bouts.

:deadmanny: $200 million dollar fight...

Whos the bigger duck? he guy who turns down 40 mill 0 ppv OR the guy who turns down 100million+ plus not including record breaking ppv rev..

im done :skip:
 
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news is 2 months old but i barely seen this....apparently she might have bought off the pigs who controlled the investigation and destroyed evidence

New evidence re-opens investigation into death of Gatti – Estate of Denial

New evidence re-opens investigation into death of Gatti
March 2, 2013

MONTREAL – Amanda Rodrigues Gatti has been living under a cloud of controversy for close to four years.

In July 2009, she was arrested for the murder of her famous husband, Montreal boxer Arturo Gatti. He was a junior welterweight champion who retired in 2007 with a career record of 40 wins and nine losses.

The arrest came after 37-year-old Gatti was found dead on July 11 in an apartment while vacationing with his wife and son at the seaside resort of Porto de Galihnas in Pernambuco, Brazil.

His widow was released from jail after an investigation by Brazilian authorities ruled that Gatti’s death was a suicide.

Rodrigues Gatti was then embroiled in a nasty court battle with her in-laws in over Gatti’s $3.4 million estate. In December 2011, she was awarded millions of dollars and moved back to Brazil.

Now, she would like to put the last four years of murder accusations and estate battles behind her.

“I had to go through many accusations, painful names I had to hear, that was not easy,” she admitted.

In an exclusive interview, she told Global News that she returned to Montreal in May last year to rent out her apartment and take care of loose ends. Rodrigues Gatti has since decided to stay in Montreal, because she says she realized that she loves the city.

She has set up shop in Montreal, where she recently opened a new store called Boutique AG – the Amanda Gatti Boutique – on trendy St. Denis Street.

“I have to say, I’ve learned how to love Montreal,” Rodrigues Gatti told Global News.

But friends of the late boxer are concerned that the 26-year-old is at it again, starting a new controversy.

“That’s a real, real, real, helluva move on her part,” said retired boxing champion Otis ‘Magic’ Grant, who now owns a boxing gym in Dollard-des-Ormeaux, where he coaches and manages amateur boxing events.

“The fact that she came back to Montreal, to set up and live for life, is real . . . gutsy,” said Grant.

The young widow has called her new fashion boutique a dream come true and noted that she has designed every item in it.

“It makes me feel very happy, because like I said, it was made with a lot of energy, it’s good energy, a lot of love you know.”

Her four-year-old son Arturo Junior is the other reason she has chosen to live in the city, which she described as beautiful and safe.

“I’m in a place in my life that is so peaceful that nothing bothers me, as long as my son is smiling every day, I’m happy,” she said.

Rodrigues Gatti said that she has everything she wants, except family.

In the exclusive interview with Global News, she has extended a hand of friendship to Arturo Gatti’s mother. She said she would like her mother-in-law to put aside her suspicions and become a part of her life.

However, Ida Gatti, Arturo’s mother told Global News that she is afraid to be in the same room as her daughter-in-law. She is worried that Rodrigues Gatti could falsely accuse her of assault.

New evidence

Although Rodrigues Gatti says she’s in Montreal to stay, Paul Ciolino, a Chicago-based Brazilian private investigator hired by Gatti’s former manager, Pat Lynch, believes she will soon be on a plane to Brazil to face justice.

When private investigators working for Gatti’s family first introduced evidence they claimed showed the boxer’s death was a homicide, Gatti’s family requested an independent autopsy in Quebec. The autopsy report, released in November 2011, revealed that there was no clear evidence of foul play in Mr. Gatti’s death. The report concluded that although Gatti died what was described as a “violent death,” the cause was listed as asphyxiation by neck. The coroner admitted there was no “clear and hard evidence” that a third party was involved in his death and was also critical of Brazilian authorities, suggesting they had mishandled evidence at the scene of Gatti’s death.

Private Investigator Paul Ciolino told Global News that now new evidence has turned up, which he claims points to Rodrigues Gatti as a suspect. He alleges that a bribe was paid to hide evidence and says that’s why Rodrigues Gatti was released by Brazilian police.

Rodrigues Gatti denies these allegations.

“If they want to try [to send me back to Brazil], let them try,” she said.

Ciolino claims the original lead investigator looking into Arturo Gatti’s death has confessed on tape that evidence at the scene was destroyed and alleges that bribes were offered.

“I think Arturo Gatti will get the justice he deserves,” Ciolino told Global News. He added that he “thinks that Amanda Rodrigues will be arrested, and I think the truth will eventually come out this year.”

Rodrigues Gatti maintains her innocence. She insists her husband committed suicide and she called detective Paul Ciolino a liar.

“I really, really don’t care about anything that comes out of his mouth, and about his idea, I really don’t care.”

The Pernambuco prosecutor’s office in Brazil has confirmed that a court hearing has been scheduled for March and that the prosecutor looking into the Gatti case could launch a new investigation.

“The prosecutor will be proceed about the case in the beginning of March,” Gilvan Oliveira, spokesperson for Prosecutors Office in Pernambuco told Global News. “Prosecutor Paula Catherine Ismail is studying the process. I think she will request more tests, more investigation about the crime . . . it’s a big process.”

Rodrigues Gatti said the only things on her mind are taking care of her store and her son.

“I have nothing to hide, I can live anywhere in the world, and I can walk with my head up.”
 

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Here's my problem with Floyd Haters and people saying he ducked Pacquiao by offering him 40 million (when Pacquiao has never made that off a fight).

I think everyone can agree Floyd is the biggest draw in the sport. He is pound for pound the best until someone beats him, period. When Oscar Del La Hoya was the biggest draw, Floyd had to concede everything if he wanted to fight him. Oscar made 50 million off the fight, Floyd made 25. ODH wanted 10 ounce gloves for the fight. DLH had floyd fighting at 154, when he's not best there. Oscar literally had every advantage going into the fight, Ring size, money, location, weight/size, gloves, etc. Floyd conceded all of that and still won.........but now that Floyd is now the biggest pay per view draw, he's criticized for using leveraged he earned and no one wants to concede anything when they're challenging him. The shyt is flat out disrespectful and absurd. Like who the fukk is Canelo and what has he accomplished that he thinks can call Floyd out for a fight & turn around and say I'm not going to make 147 or even a catch weight of 150. SMH......It's crazy. Now the Floyd is scared of Canelo campaign starts.
 

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Here's my problem with Floyd Haters and people saying he ducked Pacquiao by offering him 40 million (when Pacquiao has never made that off a fight).

I think everyone can agree Floyd is the biggest draw in the sport. He is pound for pound the best until someone beats him, period. When Oscar Del La Hoya was the biggest draw, Floyd had to concede everything if he wanted to fight him. Oscar made 50 million off the fight, Floyd made 25. ODH wanted 10 ounce gloves for the fight. DLH had floyd fighting at 154, when he's not best there. Oscar literally had every advantage going into the fight, Ring size, money, location, weight/size, gloves, etc. Floyd conceded all of that and still won.........but now that Floyd is now the biggest pay per view draw, he's criticized for using leveraged he earned and no one wants to concede anything when they're challenging him. The shyt is flat out disrespectful and absurd. Like who the fukk is Canelo and what has he accomplished that he thinks can call Floyd out for a fight & turn around and say I'm not going to make 147 or even a catch weight of 150. SMH......It's crazy. Now the Floyd is scared of Canelo campaign starts.

Terrible analogy....When Oscar De la Hoya was the main draw.. Floyds fights were barely doing 300k in ppv... pac fights were doing well over a million in ppv before negotiations ever started, but Pac shouldn't get ppv revenue according Floydie..


Floyd fought Oscar and Cotto at 154, so you're saying Canelo should fight at a catchweight?? :usure:
 

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Here's my problem with Floyd Haters and people saying he ducked Pacquiao by offering him 40 million (when Pacquiao has never made that off a fight).

I think everyone can agree Floyd is the biggest draw in the sport. He is pound for pound the best until someone beats him, period. When Oscar Del La Hoya was the biggest draw, Floyd had to concede everything if he wanted to fight him. Oscar made 50 million off the fight, Floyd made 25. ODH wanted 10 ounce gloves for the fight. DLH had floyd fighting at 154, when he's not best there. Oscar literally had every advantage going into the fight, Ring size, money, location, weight/size, gloves, etc. Floyd conceded all of that and still won.........but now that Floyd is now the biggest pay per view draw, he's criticized for using leveraged he earned and no one wants to concede anything when they're challenging him. The shyt is flat out disrespectful and absurd. Like who the fukk is Canelo and what has he accomplished that he thinks can call Floyd out for a fight & turn around and say I'm not going to make 147 or even a catch weight of 150. SMH......It's crazy. Now the Floyd is scared of Canelo campaign starts.

1st, Pacquiao is STILL the 2nd biggest draw in the sport. DLH and Floyd negotiations dont matter, because Pacquiao is a bigger draw NOW then Floyd was back then. Matter of fact, Floyd's biggest fight (before he fought DLH) had only 375,000 buys vs Zab Judah. As a comparision Pacquiao, Pacquiao vs Marquez II did 400,000 buys....and that was BEFORE Pac fought DLH.

Pac had every right to ask for a split of the PPV revenue and gate sells. Who is Floyd to tell the 2nd biggest draw in the sport of boxing to take 40 million out of the 100 mill, that was put up, and be happy while Floyd takes the remaining money (ppv revenue, ticket sales, live gate sales as well) on a fight estimated to gross over 200 million total?!

Are you agreeing with a 160 mill Floyd and 40 mill for Pac split?:rudy:

Pac said he agreed to take 40 million...Floyd could've taken the remaining 60 million off top. That's a 60/40 split of upfront money which was fair and a 55/45 split in the PPV and Gate sales. HOWEVER Floyd offered no other money from the PPV sales and Gate sales:snoop:

In the DLH vs Floyd fight....DLH was guaranteed 23.3 mill (70%) and Floyd was guaranteed 10 mill (30%). They ended up splitting the PPV and Gate revenue at 64/34....DLH got 26.7 mill extra while Floyd got 15 mill extra. Their totals earned were 50 mill for DLH and 25 mill for Floyd which ended up as a 66/34 split of all the money involved.
De La Hoya 'ecstatic' that fight was richest ever - boxing - ESPN


Their last negotiations falling thru was all Mayweather's fault.


2ndly, why is it wrong for the JMW Champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez to call out the other JMW Champion Floyd Mayweather? Why should Canelo have to come down in weight when Floyd is one of the 154 Champions?:childplease:

Floyd said he doesnt do catchweights, and he like his opponents to come in at weights they are comfortable at. That's what he said about Oscar De La Hoya and Miguel Cotto. Why cant Canelo be comfortable?:why:
 

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2ndly, why is it wrong for the JMW Champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez to call out the other JMW Champion Floyd Mayweather? Why should Canelo have to come down in weight when Floyd is one of the 154 Champions?:childplease:

Floyd said he doesnt do catchweights, and he like his opponents to come in at weights they are comfortable at. That's what he said about Oscar De La Hoya and Miguel Cotto. Why cant Canelo be comfortable?:why
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That's fine, but everyone knows Floyd is a 147 fighter. He hasn't looked good at 154. If you're calling him out, go to his weight.
 

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That's fine, but everyone knows Floyd is a 147 fighter. He hasn't looked good at 154. If you're calling him out, go to his weight.

Floyd's weight is 154, because he's the champion there breh.


Why hold the Junior Middleweight Championship, but not defend it against the other champions in the division? Either give up the belt or defend your belt.


Canelo Alvarez is a 154 Champion and is calling out the other 154 Champion.....I dont see a problem with that at all.


Especially since, once again, Floyd just fought there last year and is currently a title holder at 154.
 
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