breh its gonna happen, you know I know it the whole boxing world knows it.........But why have floyd fight canelo in september (when he still can't speak english 100%) and whoop his ass when they could wait 6 months adn make 2x as much?
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But Manny always used to say he doesn't fight for the money but now all the sudden he wanted more? It's all Arum with that. Because even with Floyd taking most of the profits and Manny still getting the biggest payout of his career from my understanding he would have gotten to choose the gloves, the size of the ring, the weight, a weight penalty on Floyd, probably even the venue. Though I'm not 100 on that.1st, Pacquiao is STILL the 2nd biggest draw in the sport. DLH and Floyd negotiations dont matter, because Pacquiao is a bigger draw NOW then Floyd was back then. Matter of fact, Floyd's biggest fight (before he fought DLH) had only 375,000 buys vs Zab Judah. As a comparision Pacquiao, Pacquiao vs Marquez II did 400,000 buys....and that was BEFORE Pac fought DLH.
Pac had every right to ask for a split of the PPV revenue and gate sells. Who is Floyd to tell the 2nd biggest draw in the sport of boxing to take 40 million out of the 100 mill, that was put up, and be happy while Floyd takes the remaining money (ppv revenue, ticket sales, live gate sales as well) on a fight estimated to gross over 200 million total?!
Are you agreeing with a 160 mill Floyd and 40 mill for Pac split?
Pac said he agreed to take 40 million...Floyd could've taken the remaining 60 million off top. That's a 60/40 split of upfront money which was fair and a 55/45 split in the PPV and Gate sales. HOWEVER Floyd offered no other money from the PPV sales and Gate sales
In the DLH vs Floyd fight....DLH was guaranteed 23.3 mill (70%) and Floyd was guaranteed 10 mill (30%). They ended up splitting the PPV and Gate revenue at 64/34....DLH got 26.7 mill extra while Floyd got 15 mill extra. Their totals earned were 50 mill for DLH and 25 mill for Floyd which ended up as a 66/34 split of all the money involved.
De La Hoya 'ecstatic' that fight was richest ever - boxing - ESPN
Their last negotiations falling thru was all Mayweather's fault.
2ndly, why is it wrong for the JMW Champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez to call out the other JMW Champion Floyd Mayweather? Why should Canelo have to come down in weight when Floyd is one of the 154 Champions?
Floyd said he doesnt do catchweights, and he like his opponents to come in at weights they are comfortable at. That's what he said about Oscar De La Hoya and Miguel Cotto. Why cant Canelo be comfortable?
Arum to me is the only reason for that fight not happening. Because I think at the end of the day Manny would have signed that deal if Arum wasn't behind him.
The only thing Manny didn't like was the test and I don't wanna speculate on why. And as said by 50, Floyd's ego wouldn't allow him to be seen equal financially or draw wise with Pac for better or worse.
DamonDashsRocAFellaChain
How could a man say he has a boss and be proud?
Floyd loves fighting on Mexican holidays because he knows they will buy pay per views and who better to fight on El Grito weekend than Canelo?
Personally I think it's too early for Canelo but if he thinks he's ready for Floyd then that's on him.
SuikodenII
Where's Suikoden VI??????
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Jamie McDonnell vs. Julio Ceja for the vacant IBF bantamweight belt
Jamie McDonnell vs. Julio Ceja for the vacant IBF bantamweight belt
seemorecizzy
Superstar
Yesterday, it was revealed that Manny Pacquiao and Brandon Rios will undergo random blood and urine testing for their November 23 clash at the Venetian in Macau, China"
"It's actually Manny that wants it [drug testing for the fight"
What a joke
"It's actually Manny that wants it [drug testing for the fight"
What a joke
Black_Jesus
Superstar
You can blame Arum all you want but the reality is Pacquiao is one of Arum's Top Rank fighters and Floyd has this knowledge already when his dumbass offered 40 mill 0 ppv for a $200 million dollar fight.. Arum and Pacquiao deserve their cut. Pacquiao does for cleaning out divisions and averaging a million in ppv rev and Arum for building Pacs career and matching Pac with notable opponents and helping create the draw through promotion.. Since Pacquiao can draw over a million just like Mayweather he deserves whats fair... Why should Team Pac allow themselves to be takin advantaged of by accepting 40 milion for a 200 million dollar fight??
this argument will never be settled. you will have people on both sides of the fence who wont budge. ultimately, no one will be proven right or wrong. what will happen is...someone will lose credibility as time passes by the actions they take. who will lose the most credibility? (hold on to that for a sec, we will return to that point.)
Q: who is Floyd to ask the #2 draw to concede to financial demands?
A: the #1 draw
easy answer and simple mathematics. without fighting Manny, Floyd is still the top paid athlete. No argument can change that.
Q: who needs who more?
A: Manny needs Floyd more
another easy answer. Pac has lost, so its been proven he can be beaten....KOed even. he's lost 5 times and been KOed 3. with the doping allegations and his reluctance to take a test...Manny's legacy is far more in doubt than Floyd's.
Q: Did Manny have a legitimate excuse for not agreeing to tests?
A: No. If you opponent will take the same exact test, there is no legitimate excuse, but lets say there was for the sake of argument...all of that now goes out the window because Pacquiao is now asking Rios to do it, in light of getting KOed by Memo's client JMM who Rio's is now a client of.
Q: Who was King of the Hill post-DLH?
A: Floyd
another easy answer. the thing that matters the most when speaking in terms of leverage is who got to what point first. Floyd beat Oscar first. He was proclaimed P4P first. He has always been the biggest draw post-DLH. Again, I am only dealing with pure fact here, not speculation.
the PPV arguments pre-DLH are subjective as hell when discussing with people who :udontknow: and you cant take them for face value because Pac was fighting Mexican legends because they were in and around his weight class. Floyd had none at Welterweight, except for calling JMM up. 1 fight with JMM doesnt compare with 4 fights with JMM, 3 fights with Morales, and 1 fight with Barerra.
peoples talk about Floyd fighting on Cinco De Mayo and all that but Pac has made his living off of Mexican legends. the only reason the Bradley fight was big because of pre-Floyd fight hype.
my point is this....its never equal, one fighter is bigger than the other. that fighter in this case is Floyd. so you have to look at where the ultimate breakdown is. they both have blame. Floyd may have demanded too much...but the biggest linchpin in the deal was the testing. If Team Pac agrees to that, then that doesnt say that Floyd makes the fight, but it gives him NOWHERE to hide. the ball would effectively be back in his court and if negotiations flop, everyone will say..."Floyd didnt want the fight because his financial demands were too outrageous"
Now, back to the statement I made in the first paragraph. "someone will lose credibility as time passes by the actions they take."
by asking Rios to take tests when he would never completely agree throws all other arguments out the window and makes him look like a complete hypocrite. whether its not wanting to take tests or making a fighter of smaller stature concede to HIS demands. the same arguments made against Floyd.
the big difference is, Floyd "wanted to clean up the sport" as an undefeated fighter. Manny "wants to clean up the sport" after he got KTFOed.
Q: who is Floyd to ask the #2 draw to concede to financial demands?
A: the #1 draw
easy answer and simple mathematics. without fighting Manny, Floyd is still the top paid athlete. No argument can change that.
Q: who needs who more?
A: Manny needs Floyd more
another easy answer. Pac has lost, so its been proven he can be beaten....KOed even. he's lost 5 times and been KOed 3. with the doping allegations and his reluctance to take a test...Manny's legacy is far more in doubt than Floyd's.
Q: Did Manny have a legitimate excuse for not agreeing to tests?
A: No. If you opponent will take the same exact test, there is no legitimate excuse, but lets say there was for the sake of argument...all of that now goes out the window because Pacquiao is now asking Rios to do it, in light of getting KOed by Memo's client JMM who Rio's is now a client of.
Q: Who was King of the Hill post-DLH?
A: Floyd
another easy answer. the thing that matters the most when speaking in terms of leverage is who got to what point first. Floyd beat Oscar first. He was proclaimed P4P first. He has always been the biggest draw post-DLH. Again, I am only dealing with pure fact here, not speculation.
the PPV arguments pre-DLH are subjective as hell when discussing with people who :udontknow: and you cant take them for face value because Pac was fighting Mexican legends because they were in and around his weight class. Floyd had none at Welterweight, except for calling JMM up. 1 fight with JMM doesnt compare with 4 fights with JMM, 3 fights with Morales, and 1 fight with Barerra.
peoples talk about Floyd fighting on Cinco De Mayo and all that but Pac has made his living off of Mexican legends. the only reason the Bradley fight was big because of pre-Floyd fight hype.
my point is this....its never equal, one fighter is bigger than the other. that fighter in this case is Floyd. so you have to look at where the ultimate breakdown is. they both have blame. Floyd may have demanded too much...but the biggest linchpin in the deal was the testing. If Team Pac agrees to that, then that doesnt say that Floyd makes the fight, but it gives him NOWHERE to hide. the ball would effectively be back in his court and if negotiations flop, everyone will say..."Floyd didnt want the fight because his financial demands were too outrageous"
Now, back to the statement I made in the first paragraph. "someone will lose credibility as time passes by the actions they take."
by asking Rios to take tests when he would never completely agree throws all other arguments out the window and makes him look like a complete hypocrite. whether its not wanting to take tests or making a fighter of smaller stature concede to HIS demands. the same arguments made against Floyd.
the big difference is, Floyd "wanted to clean up the sport" as an undefeated fighter. Manny "wants to clean up the sport" after he got KTFOed.
thats not being taken advantage of. you just dont understand that Pac doesnt need Floyd. he is a big time draw on his own. so why cry about the shyt?
with that being said.....Floyd absolutely, in no way, shape or form, needs Manny and never did. Floyd signed his deal AFTER Manny got KOed. A deal worth more than $250 million possibly.
I wouldnt say Pac is hurting by not taking the fight....but you can shout duck as long as you want but Mayweather never missed a beat and is still winning by signing the richest athlete deal in history. He could care less about Manny. The only thing he missed is perhaps a chance to seal his legacy. Even that wasnt a given because years from now just like baseball or Armstrong or whoever, you dont know who is gonna come out singing. With Manny getting the Holy Ghost recently, I am sure they have had a daunting task just getting him not to say the wrong things.
seemorecizzy
Superstar
good post
at the end of the day, anyone who doesn't want to take random blood testing has something to hide in my opinion. There is literally no excuse for him not to take it. He was on steroids
also, pacquaio was a solid fighter before he came to welterweight but there's a lot of good fighters out there, he owes his superstar status to floyd. i've never seen one boxer piggyback off another boxer's name like that before in my life. He's a media creation. 90 percent of pacquaio fans dont even care if he's on steroids, they just want someonee, ANYONE to beat floyd. After pacquaio got knocked out it's like he went right back to pre oscar days. No one talks about him or cares bout him anymore. they've moved on to canelo
floyd knows arum's little games, he aint budging for that guy
good post
at the end of the day, anyone who doesn't want to take random blood testing has something to hide in my opinion. There is literally no excuse for him not to take it. He was on steroids
also, pacquaio was a solid fighter before he came to welterweight but there's a lot of good fighters out there, he owes his superstar status to floyd. i've never seen one boxer piggyback off another boxer's name like that before in my life. He's a media creation. 90 percent of pacquaio fans dont even care if he's on steroids, they just want someonee, ANYONE to beat floyd. After pacquaio got knocked out it's like he went right back to pre oscar days. No one talks about him or cares bout him anymore. they've moved on to canelo
floyd knows arum's little games, he aint budging for that guy
its not just piggybacking off of Floyd, he was also in the rare position of being able to face the 3 best Mexican fighters of this era.....for a total of 8 fights!!! I have backed up my statements by using regional Netflix programming, proving what is popular in Mexico. ODLH is not even a huge Mexican draw or all of his fights would be broadcast. The only fight he has being broadcast there is not even because of him but his opponent. JCC.
you can even throw Margarito into that equation as he is a huge Mexican draw. His fight with Mosley was huge for Mexicans and it also appears on Netflix Mexico!
You guys have no idea what kind of impact Mexican fans have on boxing. Think about this. JCCjr purse was twice as much as Martinez and Canelo has already had about 3 fights in which he made over $1 million.
because you dont defend against other champions....you unify. the point I made in my post yesterday about these bullshyt belts.
if a Mayweather-Canelo fight is not made for Sept, then lets see if the WBC sticks to their word they made last year and force Canelo into his mandatory against Lara-Angulo winner. I dont even like to discuss belts anymore. Just too much tom-fukkery goin on to even lend creedence to that bullshyt.
to answer your question about why hold a belt and not defend....Floyd's last fight was a mando against Guerrero. Floyd is fulfilling his obligations to the WBC.
As far as the Super Belt...mandos only due every 2 years.
Kunty McPhuck
Scust Szn has Returned
The only way Floyd & Manny fight is EVER gunna happen, is if Uncles Al & Bob can sit at the same table and be civil gentlemen about it
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Jamie McDonnell vs. Julio Ceja for the vacant IBF bantamweight belt
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Bob is half of the problem, Pacquiao never wanted it, he had a chance to leave Arum numerous times, in the midst of this situation but he quickly reupped, so people wouldnt chirp about a Mayweather match Pacquiao has 4 fights left under his contract and Mayweather has 5, let see how things play out.............