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[surv2syn]

It's a shame because this dude really should be a superstar boxer in Latin America and the US. He's that skilled. He could've been a god back home in DR but they say ever since his mom died of cancer a few years ago, he hasn't been able to steadily stop eating as a way to pacify himself.

Sucks because this guy was supposed to be the one to put us on the boxing map.

this guy...has/had SERIOUS skill. he has boxed at gyms all over. he trained at the Kronk for a brief period. when he was working with FMS I was like but now...it doesnt seem he is gonna settle in on a weight til he gets to HW. At 122 he was an absolute killer.

 

[surv2syn]

Okay so what....pac got TKO'd 10 years earlier.... floyd wasn't making 30 mill per fight niether... he just made 10 million to fight Marquez.. btw Canelo is undefeated as well so that negates your whole undefeated argument

Pac sold more tickets at the gate in his fight with Cotto than Mayweather did fighting the light weight Roidquez... Sold more ppvs too in that fight against Cotto than Floyd in his fight with Roidquez.. Another thing you all forget is Floyd wasnt even a champion.. was holding ZERO belts... just a former champion.


Pacquiao, who began his career at 106 pounds, won a major belt in seven different weight classes up to that point in 09 and captured a share of the lineal welterweight championship with a 12th nd stoppage of Cotto....

All of this and yet you wanna claim Pac wasn't entitled to ask for stipulations for Floyds demands at the time..

you tryin way too hard now. Canelo undefeated but aint done shyt. You comparing him to the lineal WW champion? The guy that destroyed Corrales? Beat Oscar? the 16 year veteran?? Floyd WAS P4P # 1 before Pac talks started and he still is P4P NOW! what are you talking about??? you just take one lil piece and say what about this...what about that. Canelo aint done shyt in the game...but he did do something Pac wasnt able to do...secure a fight with FMJ.

its not about what Mayweather was making then...what is he making NOW??? without :flabbymanny:

fukk a gate....I am asking you one simple question...

did Manny want the fight? if he did, why all the issues?

 

[surv2syn]

Okay so what....pac got TKO'd 10 years earlier.... floyd wasn't making 30 mill per fight niether... he just made 10 million to fight Marquez.. btw Canelo is undefeated as well so that negates your whole undefeated argument

Pac sold more tickets at the gate in his fight with Cotto than Mayweather did fighting the light weight Roidquez... Sold more ppvs too in that fight against Cotto than Floyd in his fight with Roidquez.. Another thing you all forget is Floyd wasnt even a champion.. was holding ZERO belts... just a former champion.


Pacquiao, who began his career at 106 pounds, won a major belt in seven different weight classes up to that point in 09 and captured a share of the lineal welterweight championship with a 12th nd stoppage of Cotto....

All of this and yet you wanna claim Pac wasn't entitled to ask for stipulations for Floyds demands at the time..

I dont think Canelo will beat Floyd...but I will say this....at least he has a chance which is more than we can say for :flabbymanny: because he is going to be in the ring with him.

 

[SuikodenII]

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[HamAndEgger]

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[SuikodenII]

In March 2010, Guzman famously was nine pounds overweight for a vacant lightweight world title fight in a rematch of a draw with Ali Funeka. While Funeka made the 135-pound limit, Guzman was 144 pounds. The fight went on, Guzman won a split decision and the title remained vacant.

In December 2010, Guzman missed weight for a second consecutive fight when he was 144 pounds for a bout in Las Vegas against Jason Davis that was contracted at 141 pounds. Guzman won by second-round knockout and then tested positive for the diuretic Furosemide, which is often used to assist in weight loss, causing the fight result to be changed to a no decision. That episode caused Golden Boy Promotions to release Guzman from his contract. He was also fined and suspended by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

In 2008, Guzman was scheduled to challenge lightweight titlist Nate Campbell but Guzman weighed 138½ pounds. The fight was supposed to go on anyway as a nontitle bout, but the next day Guzman refused to fight and it was canceled. The cancellation forced Campbell, denied his $300,000 purse, into bankruptcy a few weeks later.

So that makes 4........ I honestly believe Ali Funeka RUINED him. He was never the same afterwards.

 

[L68]

this will happen eventually whether its the next fight or the one after

 

[Black_Jesus]

you tryin way too hard now. Canelo undefeated but aint done shyt. You comparing him to the lineal WW champion? The guy that destroyed Corrales? Beat Oscar? the 16 year veteran?? Floyd WAS P4P # 1 before Pac talks started and he still is P4P NOW! what are you talking about??? you just take one lil piece and say what about this...what about that. Canelo aint done shyt in the game...but he did do something Pac wasnt able to do...secure a fight with FMJ.

its not about what Mayweather was making then...what is he making NOW??? without :flabbymanny:

fukk a gate....I am asking you one simple question...

did Manny want the fight? if he did, why all the issues?

The only reason I even brought up Canelo was to show that being undefeated don't mean shyt... that was your reasoning of why Floyd has all this leverage in the Pac negotiations.. Do you even remember what we were talking about.. I said how was pacquiao wrong for asking Floyd for stipulations in his 1st negotiations with Floyd.. your response was "one of the guys were undefeated and the other wasn't...

You must've just woke up because you're not comprehending what I'm saying... Where in my posts did I compare Canelos achievement to Floydie?? just pointed out that Canelo was undefeated WHICH DONT MEAN shyt to counter your other argument..


And you bring up p4p?? Again in 09 during negotiations who was #1 p4p according to ring magazine?? It wasn't Floydie.... Who #2 ? not Floydie...Shane was #2 pac was #1 ...

So heres the rundown of 09

Pac is the WW champion
Aquired belts in several weight classess
P4P #1 ?
Selling more tickets at gate
Selling more p4p
Conquered Moreles twice...berrera..Marquez...De La Hoya..Hatton..And Cotto.. resume on point

But according to you Pac isn't entitled to demand any stipulations from Floydie in their negotiations... this shyt is comical...


Canelo secured the fight with Floyd... good for him.. so did Ghost.. so did JMM as a 135 pounder.. so did Ortiz... that's not really saying much other than Floydie only uses Golden promoted fighters and is unwilling to co promote

 

[SuikodenII]

VERY important fight at Straw weight about to commence soon (prolly in 2 hours from what I hear)

Spoiler

Suljos TV

Mainland China's VERY FIRST WORLD CHAMPION Xiong Zhao Zhong in his very first defense of his WBC title is up against Filipino, long overdue for a title-shot fighter, Denver Cuello.

Personal prediction, Zhong will be overwhelmed and stopped between rounds 8-10.

 

[SuikodenII]

After ongoing negotiations and with both fighters’ camps in agreement, the WBA did not approve the Joan Guzman vs. Vicente Mosquera bout for their title and that was the only way besides monetary compensation that Mosquera would fight Guzman with the weight difference. Promoter Tuto Zabala Jr. had veteran Cosme Rivera standing by as a backup, so Mosquera will now face Rivera in a non-title ten round bout at welterweight. Rivera has appeared on Boxeo Telemundo nine times in his career.

 

[surv2syn]

The only reason I even brought up Canelo was to show that being undefeated don't mean shyt... that was your reasoning of why Floyd has all this leverage in the Pac negotiations.. Do you even remember what we were talking about.. I said how was pacquiao wrong for asking Floyd for stipulations in his 1st negotiations with Floyd.. your response was "one of the guys were undefeated and the other wasn't...

I was speaking in "like" stature...you knew what I meant. Manny was not on Floyd's level or stature at any one particular time. He was close, but he had the question marks...he wouldve been the underdog...he only gained notoriety as P4P because Floyd had retired. You try to reduce me to saying one undefeated fighter is a tier above another just for that fact alone. No. Manny was the same tier fighter but he had a chance to prove supremacy and he didnt. Thats what I am saying.

You obviously do not like Floyd...I am not sure why one person has so much disdain for a person they never met. You really dont discuss anything else in this forum....just an old and meaningless campaign to disprove notions that Pac ducked Floyd or he wasnt on steroids. Like are you part of his P.R. team? Furthermore...:flabbymanny: is about to be old news. His light is dimming. I dont even know the point of this Rios fight. After that KO, why not retire? He's done basically. He wont beat Marquez...its doubtful he can beat Bradley...and all he has to feed on is TR fighters. He surely aint beating Floyd....so why keep talking about it? The best thing he can hope for is TR will bend and make a fight with Broner...then he can say he beat someone who was "like" Mayweather.

 

[SuikodenII]

"Klitschko's are boring....."

Dude's walk around weight and potential weight changes

He's here to stay people......Kid Chocolate, don't duck this man......

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

The only reason I even brought up Canelo was to show that being undefeated don't mean shyt... that was your reasoning of why Floyd has all this leverage in the Pac negotiations.. Do you even remember what we were talking about.. I said how was pacquiao wrong for asking Floyd for stipulations in his 1st negotiations with Floyd.. your response was "one of the guys were undefeated and the other wasn't...

You must've just woke up because you're not comprehending what I'm saying... Where in my posts did I compare Canelos achievement to Floydie?? just pointed out that Canelo was undefeated WHICH DONT MEAN shyt to counter your other argument..


And you bring up p4p?? Again in 09 during negotiations who was #1 p4p according to ring magazine?? It wasn't Floydie.... Who #2 ? not Floydie...Shane was #2 pac was #1 ...

So heres the rundown of 09

Pac is the WW champion
Aquired belts in several weight classess
P4P #1 ?
Selling more tickets at gate
Selling more p4p
Conquered Moreles twice...berrera..Marquez...De La Hoya..Hatton..And Cotto.. resume on point

But according to you Pac isn't entitled to demand any stipulations from Floydie in their negotiations... this shyt is comical...


Canelo secured the fight with Floyd... good for him.. so did Ghost.. so did JMM as a 135 pounder.. so did Ortiz... that's not really saying much other than Floydie only uses Golden promoted fighters and is unwilling to co promote

Stop it

had more then his fair share of demands that Floyd agreed to...glove size, ring size, 10 Milly penalty each pound overweight, 50/50 split

Floyd had one fukking request N it was nothing but bytch ass excuses from Team scary of needles, it'll make him weak, how bout this cut off date, how bout that cut off date, emails talking bout what if we drop dirty

This nikka PAC is talking bout never fighting in the US again, Arum leaving your boy broke brain damaged N in the gutter....I bet 40 million looks damn good right bout now

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

Stop it

had more then his fair share of demands that Floyd agreed to...glove size, ring size, 10 Milly penalty each pound overweight, 50/50 split

Floyd had one fukking request N it was nothing but bytch ass excuses from Team scary of needles, it'll make him weak, how bout this cut off date, how bout that cut off date, emails talking bout what if we drop dirty

This nikka PAC is talking bout never fighting in the US again, Arum leaving your boy broke brain damaged N in the gutter....I bet 40 million looks damn good right bout now

No, you stop it. Here are the facts:

1. Mayweather initially asked for 10 oz (154lbs and up) gloves. Pacquiao naturally said no. They agreed to normal 8 oz gloves (147lbs and below).

2. Mayweather initially asked the fight be contested at 154 lbs. Pacquiao naturally said no. They agreed to 147lbs.

3. Mayweather asked for a big ring, Pacquiao a normal sized ring. They agreed on the big ring.

4. Pacquiao asked for the 10 mil penalty for each pound overweight. They agreed to that. But remember- only reason Pacquaio asked for that stipulation was cuz Mayweather had AGREED to a catchweight with Marquez for their fight and then day of weigh in came overweight with check IN HAND. Naturally Pacquiao wanted to protect himself.

5. Pac wanted 50/50 split, Mayweather had always agreed to that until the last round of their negotiations, where he wanted to give Pacquaio a laughable flat $40 million with no PPV $? Mind you the PPV earnings ALONE were projected to be $100 million

6. Both fighters went back and forth on the drug testing, with the first round them being off on 4 days, and the final 2 rounds Pacquiao AGREEING to full drug testing. If you dont believe that part, google it.

And Pac's not fighting in the US simply cuz the tax rate increased to almost 40%!!! How much is it in Macau? 12%. Its a no brainer and honestly if Mayweather were smart HE'D fight in Macau too since the taxes are dramatically cheaper, the casino district their generates TEN TIMES more $ than Vegas does! (google it if you dont believe me).

 

[Black_Jesus]

I was speaking in "like" stature...you knew what I meant. Manny was not on Floyd's level or stature at any one particular time. He was close, but he had the question marks...he wouldve been the underdog...he only gained notoriety as P4P because Floyd had retired. You try to reduce me to saying one undefeated fighter is a tier above another just for that fact alone. No. Manny was the same tier fighter but he had a chance to prove supremacy and he didnt. Thats what I am saying.

"Like" stature breh? we understood what you meant now you're trying to switch.. its cool though

Pac was #1 p4p 2009, 2010, 2011.. Floyd was active all these years so miss me with this "pac was p4p because Floydie was retired" BULLshyt.. maybe this was during the time you stopped watching boxing as you've claimed numerous times... Only person that had something to prove was Floyd which was why when the bytch came out of retirement, out of all the potential opponents to chose from he chose Roidquez A LIGHTWEIGHT 135 pounder?? Now why Marquez?? Obviously Floydie felt he had to "prove" that he could beat fighters Pac fought the same way Pac beat De La Hoya and Hatton with ease..

You obviously do not like Floyd...I am not sure why one person has so much disdain for a person they never met. You really dont discuss anything else in this forum....just an old and meaningless campaign to disprove notions that Pac ducked Floyd or he wasnt on steroids. Like are you part of his P.R. team?

Funny you bring this up since you were the one who brought up Pac/Floyd in the first place

Its becoming a trend now. If Garcia wants testing, he shouldnt get flack for it. The only person that deserves some flack is**for cheating us out of the richest fight in history to come back and get KTFO then start demanding testing.

Anytime I do post in this thread about anything else other than Pac or the bytch its always the same 3-4 clowns that find some reason to bring up Pac in a negative light.. all I do is respond.. pac my nikka so of course ill defend him but im never the one who brings up pacquiao... @ChocolateGiddyUp was talking about Garcia asking for extra tests for Lucas... YOU brought up Pac/Floyd... yall the ones obsessed. .. not mean

Furthermore...:flabbymanny: is about to be old news. His light is dimming. I dont even know the point of this Rios fight. After that KO, why not retire? He's done basically. He wont beat Marquez...its doubtful he can beat Bradley...and all he has to feed on is TR fighters. He surely aint beating Floyd....so why keep talking about it? The best thing he can hope for is TR will bend and make a fight with Broner...then he can say he beat someone who was "like" Mayweather.

Regardless if pac is old or not.. his resume is outstanding... he already beat marquez twice.. don't need to beat him again.. the loss to Bradley was refuted by the WBO themselves... After Floydie gets his lips knocked off by Canelo at least the nikka can for once say he fought the best in the JMW div