The old schoolers hating on new cats really is lame

[classicmaterial]

Not even between rappers...but the genre itself. Niccas don't respect the game. I mean -

1) The elements don't matter anymore. I'm not even a KRS-ass "I am hip-hop" dude, but damn - graffiti is dead. Niccas is too cool to dance. DJing ain't what it used to be. Most people don't even know "knowledge" was an element. MCing is the only thing that matters...

2) ...which doesn't really mean what it used to mean, either. What happen to niccas freestyling? You ask a nicca to spit and he pull out his phone?? The fucc? Spit some bars off the top...

3) "Established" rappers not battling? Sheeit.

4) Before you even got a chance to rap for some real money, you had to be a nicca with clout. By that I mean, you had to pay dues and earn your burn. A nicca can make a rap, shoot a vid and put it on YouTube and blow up next month without having to retrospect the game.

"Progress" is all good. But just because something is "new" doesn't mean it is "progressive". "Progress" means taking something and improving it. You can't improve anything if you take most of the good stuff away from it!

I absolutely understand your point regarding progress, and your earlier comment about it too.

I think a lot of your points can be credited (blamed) to technology.

In the 90s (early 90s at least) there was no internet to blow up on. There was no other way to make a splash in the game besides paying an insane amount of dues.

Game changed, it's different today because of the internet and because any chump MC can make a corny video or mixtape and get somewhere because enough other corny fans will jump on board.

I'm not saying I've progressed simply by accepting everything today. I'm saying I progressed because I understand that record stores are essentially dead, that being an internet rapper can actually turn into a successful career and that using boom bap production and rapping about being a great rapper is no longer what makes an artist a good MC these days.

 

[classicmaterial]

you're in your 30s and still going to clubs listening to your "flocka" and "french"? lol..time to grow up friend. you kinda sound like a shallow ass dude

do you actually listen to any music outside of "urban"?

Yup....I listen to damn near every genre except country. Ain't just hip hop that I enjoy, I like punk rock, metal, indie rock, I definitely don't limit myself to just "urban" music.

And it ain't like I go out to the clubs every damn weekend, but when I do....I don't wanna hear J. Cole, I wanna hear something hype

Plus I never said I was in my 30s....I been into music since I could understand what the hell it was, I ain't even 30 yet

 

[Flav]

I still listen to Kane, Rakim, G Rap, EPMD and all that 90s rap

But I also like Flocka, Gucci, Jeezy, Drake and a lot of other newer rappers.

Is there anything wrong with that? Naw. It's called progressing with the times...

Wacka,Gucci...progress?...:WTH:

yea ok

 

[Mowgli]

First off....I been a fan of rap since 1988, "Mary Mary" was the first rap joint I ever heard, shyt changed my life

But this whole thing where old schoolers hate on all this new rap is straight up corny.

I still listen to Kane, Rakim, G Rap, EPMD and all that 90s rap

But I also like Flocka, Gucci, Jeezy, Drake and a lot of other newer rappers.

Is there anything wrong with that? Naw. It's called progressing with the times.

Rap was a baby in the 80s and 90s, not a lot of options and still discovering itself. Now it's emerged as a global art form and there are countless rappers trying to come up in a genre of music that's no longer just a means of expressing ones self but also a very good means of making money.

And honestly....how are the youngin's supposed to respect our opinions when we say "That Flocka shyt sucks, listen to EPMD for real rap"....they just gonna say "fukk you old man you don't know shyt".....besides, what did the elders say to us regarding Rakim? "That shyt is wack, listen to Donny Hathaway for real music"

Plus....rap has changed, a lot. "Paid in Full" had joints that were like 8 minutes long with 4 minutes of just instrumental, you can't get away with shyt like that today. Plus that production was a lot more simplistic. How a kid who grew up on "I Really Mean It" gonna think the Eric B. is President beat is fire when it's simple as hell to his ears? That shyt was groundbreaking to US, but kids today have a much different perspective on shyt.

I ain't trying to start any shyt, cause I understand the frustration of old school fans feeling like rap has changed, cause it has, so either stay left behind and be in the corner complaining that rap sucks now, or embrace the new generation of hip hop and realize it's never gonna be what it is but there's still a lot of dope shyt out there

You're a fan. You arent hiphop.

 

[classicmaterial]

You're a fan. You arent hiphop.

I've never claimed to be anything other than a fan

 

[Mowgli]

I've never claimed to be anything other than a fan

You have no stake in the culture so you dont care if it gets trashed to shyt. The people who are in the culture to get paid and get out tarnish the music. They arent hiphop artists which is what hiphop needs. Respect your elders critcism. The only new cats who get hated on are the ones who cant rap.

 

[phatphuck]

the majority of mainstream ish is gona be wack and im gona hate it no matter what

but i can accept that there's still plenty of cats holding it down in the indie scene that im always open to

 

[classicmaterial]

You have no stake in the culture so you dont care if it gets trashed to shyt. The people who are in the culture to get paid and get out tarnish the music. They arent hiphop artists which is what hiphop needs. Respect your elders critcism. The only new cats who get hated on are the ones who cant rap.

Ain't my elders criticizing, it's my peers. shyt it's sometimes even people younger than me that criticize.

But I get your point though....since I'm not actively a part of the culture of hip hop then my opinion on the destruction of it is irrelevant because it doesn't pay my bills. That I'll accept.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Not even between rappers...but the genre itself. Niccas don't respect the game. I mean -

1) The elements don't matter anymore. I'm not even a KRS-ass "I am hip-hop" dude, but damn - graffiti is dead. Niccas is too cool to dance. DJing ain't what it used to be. Most people don't even know "knowledge" was an element. MCing is the only thing that matters...

2) ...which doesn't really mean what it used to mean, either. What happen to niccas freestyling? You ask a nicca to spit and he pull out his phone?? The fucc? Spit some bars off the top...

3) "Established" rappers not battling? Sheeit.

4) Before you even got a chance to rap for some real money, you had to be a nicca with clout. By that I mean, you had to pay dues and earn your burn. A nicca can make a rap, shoot a vid and put it on YouTube and blow up next month without having to retrospect the game.

"Progress" is all good. But just because something is "new" doesn't mean it is "progressive". "Progress" means taking something and improving it. You can't improve anything if you take most of the good stuff away from it!

Graffiti is dead because ain't nobody tryna do hard time off tagging their nickname on a train. Besides, for as much as we romanticize graffiti, it did make cities look like shyt. The best way to use that talent for something useful was teaching it in schools and using it for designs and computers and stuff.

DJing is still cool, but carrying crates and vinyls everywhere went out due to CD's and ipods. Hard to recreate that.

Dancing is frowned upon for the same reason knowledge did. At some point it got so cool to be ignorant that not knowing shyt and refusing to have a good time because the way to have a good time. That's an indictment on the urban community.

2. Freestyling is best off the top, I agree. Look at mixtapes though. We don't even really wanna hear freestyles anymore. Fans would rather have original music than throwaway raps.

3. Established rappers have no incentive to battle in today's day and age because hip-hop fans have the shortest memories and overreact to everything. Now with the internet, twitter, facebook, fans go extra hard to dikkride and discredit to the point where anybody can say something sideways and force you to have to put your career on the line like it's boxing.

4. If a rapper just came up through paying dues and not doing all of the shyt artists have to do now (countless mixtapes, features, etc.), nobody would take them seriously. In fact, they'd be called industry plants simply because the game has changed.

Older heads bytch so much because hip-hop was theirs and figured it would be that way forever. They never prepared for a generational shift that wouldn't involve them. They just thought hip-hop would be a continuation of something they'd always fukk with (they'd still set the trends, they'd define what's cool, they'd be the voice). The wackness isn't even what bothers older hip-hop fans. Wackness was prevalent even then. What gets em mad is that they see wackness being embraced by the same generation they thought would carry the baton for them as opposed to doing what the younger generation preferred. That leads to older heads not wanting to let go and causes such a rift, a rift hip-hop was never ever prepared for.

 

[Illuminatos]

2) ...which doesn't really mean what it used to mean, either. What happen to niccas freestyling? You ask a nicca to spit and he pull out his phone?? The fucc? Spit some bars off the top...

Well then gramps, you must not know what a freestyle is.

 

[Taadow]

Graffiti is dead because ain't nobody tryna do hard time off tagging their nickname on a train. Besides, for as much as we romanticize graffiti, it did make cities look like shyt. The best way to use that talent for something useful was teaching it in schools and using it for designs and computers and stuff.

I can see what you're saying, but in the name of "progress" we would find constructive ways to include this (let's call it a) "sacrament". But it's like nobody even talks about graf anymore. Last good tag I saw was the mural of Big Pun after he died. That was a sanctioned, respectful, constructive piece of art. Since then, the last time graf had any life was when they were airbrushing t-shirts a few years back. It doesn't even matter now...

DJing is still cool, but carrying crates and vinyls everywhere went out due to CD's and ipods. Hard to recreate that.

Again, I see where you're coming from and understand. But, how many DJ's can't even scratch? How many DJs have a set, just turn on their playlist, and let it ride? And then you have commercial DJs who host mixtapes and are just the host?

Dancing is frowned upon for the same reason knowledge did. At some point it got so cool to be ignorant that not knowing shyt and refusing to have a good time because the way to have a good time. That's an indictment on the urban community.

Almost eye-to-eye. I didn't totally understand the second sentence.

2. Freestyling is best off the top, I agree. Look at mixtapes though. We don't even really wanna hear freestyles anymore. Fans would rather have original music than throwaway raps.

...Speak for yourself. I would love to hear freestyles! If i'm a fan of a rapper, then none of thier contributions are "throwaways".

3. Established rappers have no incentive to battle in today's day and age because hip-hop fans have the shortest memories and overreact to everything. Now with the internet, twitter, facebook, fans go extra hard to dikkride and discredit to the point where anybody can say something sideways and force you to have to put your career on the line like it's boxing.

Rapping has ALWAYS been like it's boxing!

4. If a rapper just came up through paying dues and not doing all of the shyt artists have to do now (countless mixtapes, features, etc.), nobody would take them seriously. In fact, they'd be called industry plants simply because the game has changed.

Artists don't have to do anything. They aren't required to do any of that you named. But what I meant by "paying dues" is you had to do work. For example, if you were a rapper from...let's say, Chicago - to get industry attention, you had to be arguably the hottest rapper in Illinois, and that took work. It's not the same now...

Older heads bytch so much because hip-hop was theirs and figured it would be that way forever. They never prepared for a generational shift that wouldn't involve them. They just thought hip-hop would be a continuation of something they'd always fukk with (they'd still set the trends, they'd define what's cool, they'd be the voice). The wackness isn't even what bothers older hip-hop fans. Wackness was prevalent even then. What gets em mad is that they see wackness being embraced by the same generation they thought would carry the baton for them as opposed to doing what the younger generation preferred. That leads to older heads not wanting to let go and causes such a rift, a rift hip-hop was never ever prepared for.

Can't dispute that...

 

[Danie84]

If the new music is then it's

It's not our fault, when we were coming up, we had classics after classics.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

There are tons and tons of old school song that are garbage. The difference being of course a lot of time has passed and people rarely remember bad songs compared to good songs.

In 10 years people are going to look back on Drake's career and talk very highly of it. This coming from someone who is not a Drake fan in any sense. There was a point in time when people were shytTING on Master P but after time has passed he gets some love and recognition.

 

[patscorpio]

Not even between rappers...but the genre itself. Niccas don't respect the game. I mean -

1) The elements don't matter anymore. I'm not even a KRS-ass "I am hip-hop" dude, but damn - graffiti is dead. Niccas is too cool to dance. DJing ain't what it used to be. Most people don't even know "knowledge" was an element. MCing is the only thing that matters...

2) ...which doesn't really mean what it used to mean, either. What happen to niccas freestyling? You ask a nicca to spit and he pull out his phone?? The fucc? Spit some bars off the top...

3) "Established" rappers not battling? Sheeit.

4) Before you even got a chance to rap for some real money, you had to be a nicca with clout. By that I mean, you had to pay dues and earn your burn. A nicca can make a rap, shoot a vid and put it on YouTube and blow up next month without having to retrospect the game.

"Progress" is all good. But just because something is "new" doesn't mean it is "progressive". "Progress" means taking something and improving it. You can't improve anything if you take most of the good stuff away from it!

absolute gospel

 

[WeDemBoyz]

it dont matter if it was from the "old school" or this generation. If the music is garbage then thats what it is. Just cause we got some new mainstream artist doesnt mean we have to like that shyt

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