The Real Story of N.W.A.? More info about members/ what caused the split

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Sounds like :duck: to me. This nikka claim that Dre had to tell Cube what to write and how to write it. The same Cube that went on to write Amerikkka's Most Wanted and Death Certificate as a solo artist. And coincidentally, the lyrical content of NWA projects just happened to decline at the same time. :camby:
 

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Sounds like :duck: to me. This nikka claim that Dre had to tell Cube what to write and how to write it. The same Cube that went on to write Amerikkka's Most Wanted and Death Certificate as a solo artist. And coincidentally, the lyrical content of NWA projects just happened to decline at the same time. :camby:
Exactly. I just can't get wit that. Especially these nikkas who run they mouth like they know the "truth" like they was at the recording sessions n shyt and hangin out wit them early on before they careers started. nikka REALLY tried to downplay Cube's talent all cause he a NWA fanboy salty at Cube and I can't get wit that.
 

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Hell, most of this is more falsified than the Straight Outta Compton movie itself! And clearly he has something against Ice Cube. The only truth he said about Cube was he went to college in Arizona for a year between '87-88. The OUTRIGHT lie is this claim he already had a contract to which virtually EVERYONE directly involved said he had never ever signed and this was common knowledge. That was why it was so easy for Cube to just bounce, because he wasn't under any obligations. shyt, you got old Pump It Up video interviews showing him still living with his parents, not remotely having the kind of money that was possibly owed to him, because he never was under any real contract anyway. Now what is POSSIBLY true is why he may of left which part of it being money that was owed to him and Bryan Turner from Priority swaying in and boosting up Cube's ego saying you don't need NWA, and wanted Cube to sign with Priority exclusively. Which was the SMART business decision by Cube. Cube even said it in "No Vaseline", "We started off with too cargo/ dropped four nikkaz now I'm making all the dough".

The talk about him running to New York because of Above the Law is misinformation. The encounter between ATL and Da Lench Mob happened IN New York at the Music Seminar in 1990 AFTER "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted" (which was somewhat accurately depicted in the movie). The reason why Cube went to NY was because he originally wanted 3rd Bass' producer to do his album. He actually tried to get Dr. Dre to do it, but Dre was contractually obligated with Ruthless. When he went to Def Jam looking for 3rd Bass and bumped into Chuck D. Chuck D urged him to get back with NWA because he felt that rappers going solo aren't going to be as successful as rap groups (which back in the day, most rappers were in groups because it was harder to get put on solo, only a select few were able to succeed). Cube stated to Chuck there was no way he would ever return which was at that moment Chuck D decided why not him and his production team do Cube's album. Cube's influence with the NOI and five percent nation was due to hanging out with P.E. and not for some so-called "protection".

A HUGE slander is the part about Michele. DJ Vlad for a whole HOUR PLUS video interview with her posted directly on YouTube detailing everything. She was never Cube's girlfriend. I don't even think she knew Cube in 1986. It was Lonzo Williams that introduced Michele to Dr. Dre when she sang the hook for "Turn Off the Lights" because the original chick that was supposed to do it backed out. The only reason why got with Dre was because him and Eazy both were trying to get them draws. The whole story about SHE being the reason for Dre leaving Death Row is untrue because Dre was already with and living with Nicole, his current wife. And you didn't need the movie to know that, read the 1996 SOURCE interview that was posted on here last month. They were already living together and by Michele's account, Dre was still trying to get back with her despite him and Nicole living together. I know what Daz claimed, but half the time Daz be saying a lot of B. But I WILL agree that Michele whored herself too, whether it because of some kind of get back for all the whoring Dre done or what, but Suge DID try to use Michele to drive a wedge between him and Dre, but it wasn't the reason why Dr. Dre left.

The main reason Dr. Dre left was because of the sudden dramatic atmospheric change in Death Row, which was OVERLY OVERLY OVERLY exaggerated in the movie (we all know that Dre would NEVER confront Suge or his goon squad like that, not then nor now!) but true as to why he left (again read the 1996 SOURCE interview). You can say, part of that was due to Tupac taking over, or you can say Dr.'s work ethic was lazy and he really only wanted to work with people that was with him at the start of Death Row and not all of those "new nikkaz" that came afterwards. Nobody really knows if Dre actually talked to Suge directly about leaving face to face, but it is true that Suge worked up an agreement with Jimmy Iovine in whether Jimmy wanted Dre to start a sub-label (AFTERMATH) in which he'll cosign to and Suge agreeing to that as long as Dre relieve all the rights, masters, and co-ownership of Death Row. This talk about Dre screwing over Death Row is false. Suge ended up owning everything thinking he didn't need Dre when all the remaining talent he had left. It was an agreement between Suge and Jimmy as to why Aftermath even exists.
 

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Word is dre set him up.

Dre call him to work shyt out but dre didn't show up but suge and his ppl did with pipes(weapons) threatening (photos of his mom house etc)him about harming his folks and heller

Later I guess heller give E game on force someone illegal signature , so eazy file for that. Heller ppl hook him up with goon body guards because e used to be solo and that's when jimmy jump in and to work out the contract properly with Eazy



I think it was for 6 or 7 years getting pay off dre






I don't believe they beat him up because if they did it probably would have his street ppl jump in the mix


but i'm saying if he had his dudes surrounding suge as the guy mentioned i originally quoted there wouldn't be no sigs signed is what i'm saying.
 

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Hell, most of this is more falsified than the Straight Outta Compton movie itself! And clearly he has something against Ice Cube. The only truth he said about Cube was he went to college in Arizona for a year between '87-88. The OUTRIGHT lie is this claim he already had a contract to which virtually EVERYONE directly involved said he had never ever signed and this was common knowledge. That was why it was so easy for Cube to just bounce, because he wasn't under any obligations. shyt, you got old Pump It Up video interviews showing him still living with his parents, not remotely having the kind of money that was possibly owed to him, because he never was under any real contract anyway. Now what is POSSIBLY true is why he may of left which part of it being money that was owed to him and Bryan Turner from Priority swaying in and boosting up Cube's ego saying you don't need NWA, and wanted Cube to sign with Priority exclusively. Which was the SMART business decision by Cube. Cube even said it in "No Vaseline", "We started off with too cargo/ dropped four nikkaz now I'm making all the dough".

The talk about him running to New York because of Above the Law is misinformation. The encounter between ATL and Da Lench Mob happened IN New York at the Music Seminar in 1990 AFTER "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted" (which was somewhat accurately depicted in the movie). The reason why Cube went to NY was because he originally wanted 3rd Bass' producer to do his album. He actually tried to get Dr. Dre to do it, but Dre was contractually obligated with Ruthless. When he went to Def Jam looking for 3rd Bass and bumped into Chuck D. Chuck D urged him to get back with NWA because he felt that rappers going solo aren't going to be as successful as rap groups (which back in the day, most rappers were in groups because it was harder to get put on solo, only a select few were able to succeed). Cube stated to Chuck there was no way he would ever return which was at that moment Chuck D decided why not him and his production team do Cube's album. Cube's influence with the NOI and five percent nation was due to hanging out with P.E. and not for some so-called "protection".

A HUGE slander is the part about Michele. DJ Vlad for a whole HOUR PLUS video interview with her posted directly on YouTube detailing everything. She was never Cube's girlfriend. I don't even think she knew Cube in 1986. It was Lonzo Williams that introduced Michele to Dr. Dre when she sang the hook for "Turn Off the Lights" because the original chick that was supposed to do it backed out. The only reason why got with Dre was because him and Eazy both were trying to get them draws. The whole story about SHE being the reason for Dre leaving Death Row is untrue because Dre was already with and living with Nicole, his current wife. And you didn't need the movie to know that, read the 1996 SOURCE interview that was posted on here last month. They were already living together and by Michele's account, Dre was still trying to get back with her despite him and Nicole living together. I know what Daz claimed, but half the time Daz be saying a lot of B. But I WILL agree that Michele whored herself too, whether it because of some kind of get back for all the whoring Dre done or what, but Suge DID try to use Michele to drive a wedge between him and Dre, but it wasn't the reason why Dr. Dre left.

The main reason Dr. Dre left was because of the sudden dramatic atmospheric change in Death Row, which was OVERLY OVERLY OVERLY exaggerated in the movie (we all know that Dre would NEVER confront Suge or his goon squad like that, not then nor now!) but true as to why he left (again read the 1996 SOURCE interview). You can say, part of that was due to Tupac taking over, or you can say Dr.'s work ethic was lazy and he really only wanted to work with people that was with him at the start of Death Row and not all of those "new nikkaz" that came afterwards. Nobody really knows if Dre actually talked to Suge directly about leaving face to face, but it is true that Suge worked up an agreement with Jimmy Iovine in whether Jimmy wanted Dre to start a sub-label (AFTERMATH) in which he'll cosign to and Suge agreeing to that as long as Dre relieve all the rights, masters, and co-ownership of Death Row. This talk about Dre screwing over Death Row is false. Suge ended up owning everything thinking he didn't need Dre when all the remaining talent he had left. It was an agreement between Suge and Jimmy as to why Aftermath even exists.
Thank You! nikka was just straight up lying about Cube.
 
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Finally finished it. Long ass read but for kats like me that grew up during this time I heard about 90% of these stories. However it helped fill in some of the blanks and refreash some of these things I saw and read as a kid.

Some of the points made were common knowledge years ago, but often times as years pass folks create stories to cover up things.

I am glad he mentioned Dre fukking over artist. Most people know that cube screwed over Kam and the Da Lynch Mob but folks forget how Dre screwed over a few artist.

I heard that story years ago on how he took rakims beats and gave them to 50. Dre has always been known to use folks for an end result whether that is using a gang of ghost writers or ghost producers and when they are no longer needed casting them aside.

In the end cube and Dre were as screwed business men as eazy if not more.

But I still say heller was stealing money. I can't remember the story where I heard it at but someone repeated it on here how the NOI came to visit Eazy. They basically sat down with him and next thing you know he fired Heller.

Dr Dre gave a Rakim beat to Busta Rhymes also.
 

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but i'm saying if he had his dudes surrounding suge as the guy mentioned i originally quoted there wouldn't be no sigs signed is what i'm saying.
i dont know about that i watch the vh1 special , the E doc, rumors from the 90's, nwa boards, ruthless staff members, heller etc i never heard that. i always heard E got set up by dre(or someone sound like dre) and got caught slipping to sign those papers
 

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Hell, most of this is more falsified than the Straight Outta Compton movie itself! And clearly he has something against Ice Cube. The only truth he said about Cube was he went to college in Arizona for a year between '87-88. The OUTRIGHT lie is this claim he already had a contract to which virtually EVERYONE directly involved said he had never ever signed and this was common knowledge. That was why it was so easy for Cube to just bounce, because he wasn't under any obligations. shyt, you got old Pump It Up video interviews showing him still living with his parents, not remotely having the kind of money that was possibly owed to him, because he never was under any real contract anyway. Now what is POSSIBLY true is why he may of left which part of it being money that was owed to him and Bryan Turner from Priority swaying in and boosting up Cube's ego saying you don't need NWA, and wanted Cube to sign with Priority exclusively. Which was the SMART business decision by Cube. Cube even said it in "No Vaseline", "We started off with too cargo/ dropped four nikkaz now I'm making all the dough".

The talk about him running to New York because of Above the Law is misinformation. The encounter between ATL and Da Lench Mob happened IN New York at the Music Seminar in 1990 AFTER "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted" (which was somewhat accurately depicted in the movie). The reason why Cube went to NY was because he originally wanted 3rd Bass' producer to do his album. He actually tried to get Dr. Dre to do it, but Dre was contractually obligated with Ruthless. When he went to Def Jam looking for 3rd Bass and bumped into Chuck D. Chuck D urged him to get back with NWA because he felt that rappers going solo aren't going to be as successful as rap groups (which back in the day, most rappers were in groups because it was harder to get put on solo, only a select few were able to succeed). Cube stated to Chuck there was no way he would ever return which was at that moment Chuck D decided why not him and his production team do Cube's album. Cube's influence with the NOI and five percent nation was due to hanging out with P.E. and not for some so-called "protection".

A HUGE slander is the part about Michele. DJ Vlad for a whole HOUR PLUS video interview with her posted directly on YouTube detailing everything. She was never Cube's girlfriend. I don't even think she knew Cube in 1986. It was Lonzo Williams that introduced Michele to Dr. Dre when she sang the hook for "Turn Off the Lights" because the original chick that was supposed to do it backed out. The only reason why got with Dre was because him and Eazy both were trying to get them draws. The whole story about SHE being the reason for Dre leaving Death Row is untrue because Dre was already with and living with Nicole, his current wife. And you didn't need the movie to know that, read the 1996 SOURCE interview that was posted on here last month. They were already living together and by Michele's account, Dre was still trying to get back with her despite him and Nicole living together. I know what Daz claimed, but half the time Daz be saying a lot of B. But I WILL agree that Michele whored herself too, whether it because of some kind of get back for all the whoring Dre done or what, but Suge DID try to use Michele to drive a wedge between him and Dre, but it wasn't the reason why Dr. Dre left.

The main reason Dr. Dre left was because of the sudden dramatic atmospheric change in Death Row, which was OVERLY OVERLY OVERLY exaggerated in the movie (we all know that Dre would NEVER confront Suge or his goon squad like that, not then nor now!) but true as to why he left (again read the 1996 SOURCE interview). You can say, part of that was due to Tupac taking over, or you can say Dr.'s work ethic was lazy and he really only wanted to work with people that was with him at the start of Death Row and not all of those "new nikkaz" that came afterwards. Nobody really knows if Dre actually talked to Suge directly about leaving face to face, but it is true that Suge worked up an agreement with Jimmy Iovine in whether Jimmy wanted Dre to start a sub-label (AFTERMATH) in which he'll cosign to and Suge agreeing to that as long as Dre relieve all the rights, masters, and co-ownership of Death Row. This talk about Dre screwing over Death Row is false. Suge ended up owning everything thinking he didn't need Dre when all the remaining talent he had left. It was an agreement between Suge and Jimmy as to why Aftermath even exists.
:whew: A real fan that knows his nwa history.
 

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Dr Dre gave a Rakim beat to Busta Rhymes also.

It is true that artists that were once down with Cube stopped fukking with him due to some business disputes, but with the exception of Da Lench Mob and Mack 10, none of them were actually Cube's artists to begin with. You can legitimately say that Cube be taking a lot of creative credit for projects that he collaborated on and THOSE be the reasons why people like Kam, DJ Pooh, even his own cousin Del stopped fukking with him. He's the whole thing behind the beef with Cypress Hill, because Cube was accused of jacking the hook for the Friday joint.

As for Dr. Dre, I don't know ANYONE with legitimacy that ever claim he screwed them over. I heard people making claims that he gets producer credits despite others sending him certain beats or a loop or whatever, but even with that, through LEGAL terms, Dr. Dre always compensated them, always put credits to everyone what was involved and by the vast majority of the time really be GHOST PRODUCING for others, and these are from people like Snoop and Warren G that back this up as well as tell or remind people the difference between a beat-maker and a producer.

But it is NOT screwing artists over because one artist gets a track that originally belongs to someone else. It happens ALL THE TIME.... literally ALL THE TIME since the dawn of hip hop on wax. And with Dr. Dre, he be giving away stuff that originally been going to Detox, so any artist that is salty that a Dre track that he gave you he gave to someone else instead needs to STFU. It's his music and he can give it to whomever he wants to give it to.

The PROBLEM with Dr. Dre verses most of the artists that is and was on Aftermath is his LAZINESS as an executive. It's the same deal while on Death Row. He be too business doing his own shyt, slaving all day in the studio, that he never have time for his artists. This was why Eve left from the very jump because she wasn't about to wait for Dre. It's why King Tee's shyt was shelved, because Dre wasn't too involved on the business side of things. Dre and Rakim bumped heads on creative differences to which I blame BOTH because, and it pains me to say this, but Rakim's vision as an artist slumped and refused the strict disciplinary rehearsals Dre be having him. But Dre also had to give leeway to a veteran Rakim too. It's mostly why Dre likes to work with new artists because he can have complete creative control. It's also why the beat that originally supposed to go to Rakim but when to Busta instead, Busta used it to dis Rakim on.

Music politics is music politics. But with Dre, it's not the fact he's screwing over artists, but the fact he's not as INVESTED with them. The success of the likes of Eminem or 50 Cent was more self-made with their own team with the Dre cosign than with Dre being directly responsible. Same with Kendrick.
 

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I co-sign what homie wrote as far as published verifiable info. Some of the stuff appears to be inside info so I can't say one way or another if it's true or not. He may have made a mistake here and there but I don't think he's out right lying or has a motive behind what he posted for the info that may have been slightly inaccurate. You can go and do a search, I have been one of the main ones here posting the Ruthless/DR related interviews over the past few years. So I know what I'm talking about.

The Suge and Heller stuff he wrote was on point too. I had just got through saying that no one has ever proven to the public that heller has stolen money from anyone. All we have is Ice Cube's word for it which after seeing this movie aint worth a damn dime the way he rewrote history. Suge revolutionized the music industry, period! Yeah he's evil. lol News flash, THEY ARE ALL! He just promoted and marketed his while the other music execs hide theirs from the public, that's the only difference. Yall think Doug Morris, Jimmy Ivonne, Lyor Cohen, Tommy Motella, Clive Davis etc. are saints? FOH If you going to talk about Suge at least talk about the good while you do it.
 

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It is true that artists that were once down with Cube stopped fukking with him due to some business disputes, but with the exception of Da Lench Mob and Mack 10, none of them were actually Cube's artists to begin with. You can legitimately say that Cube be taking a lot of creative credit for projects that he collaborated on and THOSE be the reasons why people like Kam, DJ Pooh, even his own cousin Del stopped fukking with him. He's the whole thing behind the beef with Cypress Hill, because Cube was accused of jacking the hook for the Friday joint.

As for Dr. Dre, I don't know ANYONE with legitimacy that ever claim he screwed them over. I heard people making claims that he gets producer credits despite others sending him certain beats or a loop or whatever, but even with that, through LEGAL terms, Dr. Dre always compensated them, always put credits to everyone what was involved and by the vast majority of the time really be GHOST PRODUCING for others, and these are from people like Snoop and Warren G that back this up as well as tell or remind people the difference between a beat-maker and a producer.

But it is NOT screwing artists over because one artist gets a track that originally belongs to someone else. It happens ALL THE TIME.... literally ALL THE TIME since the dawn of hip hop on wax. And with Dr. Dre, he be giving away stuff that originally been going to Detox, so any artist that is salty that a Dre track that he gave you he gave to someone else instead needs to STFU. It's his music and he can give it to whomever he wants to give it to.

The PROBLEM with Dr. Dre verses most of the artists that is and was on Aftermath is his LAZINESS as an executive. It's the same deal while on Death Row. He be too business doing his own shyt, slaving all day in the studio, that he never have time for his artists. This was why Eve left from the very jump because she wasn't about to wait for Dre. It's why King Tee's shyt was shelved, because Dre wasn't too involved on the business side of things. Dre and Rakim bumped heads on creative differences to which I blame BOTH because, and it pains me to say this, but Rakim's vision as an artist slumped and refused the strict disciplinary rehearsals Dre be having him. But Dre also had to give leeway to a veteran Rakim too. It's mostly why Dre likes to work with new artists because he can have complete creative control. It's also why the beat that originally supposed to go to Rakim but when to Busta instead, Busta used it to dis Rakim on.

Music politics is music politics. But with Dre, it's not the fact he's screwing over artists, but the fact he's not as INVESTED with them. The success of the likes of Eminem or 50 Cent was more self-made with their own team with the Dre cosign than with Dre being directly responsible. Same with Kendrick.
With Cube, Chris Tucker was only paid a few g's for doing Friday ($5,000?) and he wont do another one until Cube pays him what's owed. You could say contractually he got what he signed up for but morally you know it's wrong. I honestly don't see the difference here between that and what Cube says Heller did.

The D.O.C. said in a interview that he wasn't straight for all of the time he was rolling with Dre. He said he never had any paper work with him.
 
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Finally finished it. Long ass read but for kats like me that grew up during this time I heard about 90% of these stories. However it helped fill in some of the blanks and refreash some of these things I saw and read as a kid.

Some of the points made were common knowledge years ago, but often times as years pass folks create stories to cover up things.

I am glad he mentioned Dre fukking over artist. Most people know that cube screwed over Kam and the Da Lynch Mob but folks forget how Dre screwed over a few artist.

I heard that story years ago on how he took rakims beats and gave them to 50. Dre has always been known to use folks for an end result whether that is using a gang of ghost writers or ghost producers and when they are no longer needed casting them aside.

In the end cube and Dre were as screwed business men as eazy if not more.

But I still say heller was stealing money. I can't remember the story where I heard it at but someone repeated it on here how the NOI came to visit Eazy. They basically sat down with him and next thing you know he fired Heller.

Dr Dre gave a Rakim beat to Busta Rhymes also.
It is true that artists that were once down with Cube stopped fukking with him due to some business disputes, but with the exception of Da Lench Mob and Mack 10, none of them were actually Cube's artists to begin with. You can legitimately say that Cube be taking a lot of creative credit for projects that he collaborated on and THOSE be the reasons why people like Kam, DJ Pooh, even his own cousin Del stopped fukking with him. He's the whole thing behind the beef with Cypress Hill, because Cube was accused of jacking the hook for the Friday joint.

As for Dr. Dre, I don't know ANYONE with legitimacy that ever claim he screwed them over. I heard people making claims that he gets producer credits despite others sending him certain beats or a loop or whatever, but even with that, through LEGAL terms, Dr. Dre always compensated them, always put credits to everyone what was involved and by the vast majority of the time really be GHOST PRODUCING for others, and these are from people like Snoop and Warren G that back this up as well as tell or remind people the difference between a beat-maker and a producer.

But it is NOT screwing artists over because one artist gets a track that originally belongs to someone else. It happens ALL THE TIME.... literally ALL THE TIME since the dawn of hip hop on wax. And with Dr. Dre, he be giving away stuff that originally been going to Detox, so any artist that is salty that a Dre track that he gave you he gave to someone else instead needs to STFU. It's his music and he can give it to whomever he wants to give it to.

The PROBLEM with Dr. Dre verses most of the artists that is and was on Aftermath is his LAZINESS as an executive. It's the same deal while on Death Row. He be too business doing his own shyt, slaving all day in the studio, that he never have time for his artists. This was why Eve left from the very jump because she wasn't about to wait for Dre. It's why King Tee's shyt was shelved, because Dre wasn't too involved on the business side of things. Dre and Rakim bumped heads on creative differences to which I blame BOTH because, and it pains me to say this, but Rakim's vision as an artist slumped and refused the strict disciplinary rehearsals Dre be having him. But Dre also had to give leeway to a veteran Rakim too. It's mostly why Dre likes to work with new artists because he can have complete creative control. It's also why the beat that originally supposed to go to Rakim but when to Busta instead, Busta used it to dis Rakim on.

Music politics is music politics. But with Dre, it's not the fact he's screwing over artists, but the fact he's not as INVESTED with them. The success of the likes of Eminem or 50 Cent was more self-made with their own team with the Dre cosign than with Dre being directly responsible. Same with Kendrick.

Lol the reason why Rakim and Dre bumped heads over creative differences was because Rakim wanted to rap about positive islamic conciousness over Dr Dre beats, while Dre wanted to change Rakim's image, and have him rap about bytches, guns, blunts, and a gangster lifestyle.
 
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