The stupidification of America

[chineebai]

I think college is still important, more so for a requirement of certain careers. If you can get into a good school with a good program aimed at a career where your job prospects are better than without college, then you should do that. But there is more than one route to success in life. But I can see how younger generations dont view college as useful, especially since a lot of them are diploma mills.

 

[Scaaar]

People just don’t value education period.

Like mentioned earlier, a lot of these new nikkas want to be “influencers”, “content creators”, or videogamers/models.

Or (basically) scammers.


Not to mention, they not learning shyt in High School.. even worse than when I was a high schooler.

I didn’t care for high school.. I tested out and went to a trade school then military FOR college, and still in college somewhat (second degree in shyt I mostly know a lot about anyway from hands on with trades).

Idk anyone who did it that way. If people want to go to trade schools I support it, but still need people that value real, useful degrees

Yeah the anti-intellectualism wave is troubling. But it's part of the plan to get people back to a place that they don't question the system and just take things at face value. Most education curriculum here is just conditioning to prepare people to work 40+ hr work weeks. But going to college critical thinking gets injected into a lot of the curriculum which causes you to start asking "why" things are the way they are or how you can better the current system in place for the benefit of all. They don't want people doing that and have done a campaign on railing against it since the end of the New Deal Era. The contradiction that I love to bring up is that all of these politicians that rail against these colleges went to these very same institutions and are still sending their kids there! That tells you everything you need to know about the importance of education. Not saying everyone should go but that option should be easily accessible

 

[Amo Husserl]

University tuition is damn near a deterrent now, and many well-paying employers outside of trades want at least a bachelor's degree. If this administration or the states can get university tuition cut in half, that would be great for everybody. Pricing the majority of your population out of the rung into a higher tax bracket is not a smart move for developing human capital that would have more disposable income to boost your economy. This is a simple take, but my point is my point.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

This is a disaster that will absolutely hurt the Black Community.


There’s nothing wrong with with Trades but look at the quality of life difference between highly educated states (Massachusetts, Minnesota, etc) and poorly educated states (Ohio, West Virginia, etc), an educated populace makes a world of difference.

This anti intellectualism wave is terrible for the country.

 

[Negro Caesar]

If you have average intellect then yeah college probably is unnecessary. But College is very important for more skilled occupations

 

[Taharqa]

College made is possible for both me and my lady to buy a house. I know the cost over the years(graduated in 2023) has risen, but there is a reason why they dont want you to go to college and its not because they care about you accumulating debt

 

[AnonymityX1000]

For me college ended up being more about building my overall intelligence than finances. I don't work in the field I got my degree in but I wouldn't know what I know had I gone to a trade school or jumped straight into the work force. There's more to life than work.

Even the classes that I didn't enjoy like Philosophy or classes like anthropology I didn't go into with much interest still made me more well rounded intellectually.

There's a noticeable difference when I talk to adults with a degree vs people who only have a high school diploma. The conversations tend to be more limited topically or they have a limited world view. Unless that person is an avid reader who is into learning on their free time they tend to stop seeking information.

Even if it's community college I'd recommend getting higher education. High school doesn't teach you nearly enough.

I will say this has a double edged sword. Many people with degrees also participate in a respectability politics. Where only certain topics and ideas are acceptable and thinking outside the box is frowned upon. That makes for equally dull and uninteresting conversation.

 

[Supa]

And it's by design, trump famously said I love the poorly educated

Poor, uneducated whites are the biggest losers in every election. The routinely vote against their best interest because they can easily be manipulated by emotional arguments centered around race, homophobia, and religion. None of those 3 subjects are going to put a dollar in their pockets.

 

[Jalether]

Another factor that hasn't been brought up is the waning influence of parent/adult in Gen z's life

the previous generations went to college in part because the elders in their life instilled the importance of education into them and you had no choice in the matter anyway unless you are willing to rebel and go against your parent wishes which kids back then rarely did.

These gen z's are built different and will do what they want

 

[Samori Toure]

Or maybe college cost is increasing while income inequality also increases and having a college degree doesn't really guarantee you a good job after paying or owing a lot of money after the fact.

College has kind of been boiled down to people just getting a job/profession, but a college/university education has a higher purpose which is to open minds to the arts, humanities and sciences. It is essentially an exchange of ideas. If people just want a job then they can just go into the trades, but shouldn't lose sight of the benefits of their minds being opened to new thoughts, ideas and concepts.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

If you want to argue college costs way too much that's fair. But the elites want to downplay the importance of college because the end goal is to make it prohibitively expensive for common people to achieve. They want to make it essentially a 'social network' for the upwardly mobile further creating a divide between the haves and have nots.

Exactly. Scott Walker (former Gov of Wisconsin) infamously became the Governor of Wisconsin without a college degree. He has rallied against sending kids to woke institutions and that trades are a better use of resources.

Spoiler

Scott Walker two youngest sons went to Marquette University and the University Of Wisconsin. His daughter in law went to undergrad and graduate school at the University of Wisconsin

 

[O³ (O cubed)]

From what I've seen it's even simpler, show up on time and don't be an idiot.

Nah, I worked at several places. It's definitely who you know and if you "fit".

 

[AnonymityX1000]

College has kind of been boiled down to people just getting a job/profession, but a college/university education has a higher purpose which is to open minds to the arts, humanities and sciences. It is essentially an exchange of ideas. If people just want a job then they can just go into the trades, but shouldn't lose sight of the benefits of their minds being opened to new thoughts, ideas and concepts.

I will say my undergrad experience was more about learning good social skills with a wide variety of people than any particular vocation. So I hear that, but at today's prices is paying for that higher purpose worth it?

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

If you have average intellect then yeah college probably is unnecessary. But College is very important for more skilled occupations

College has nothing to do with intellect
I can say that and I went to college and graduated from a “good” school
People going to college ain’t debating people everyday nor are most people taking full advantage of course curriculum
Most people are literally going and just retaining information to get a piece of paper to feel like they did something in life
The internet has been the great equalizer in all of this
If you truly want to learn, you can do it on your own
There are several good paying jobs that if you have the gumption and determination
You can study on your own, take a test and start a career
The only thing a college helps with is accreditation and making your shyt valid
You know how many professionals out here that went to college and don’t know jack shyt about their field
You know how many people get jobs just because who they know
Yes I’m glade I received a diploma
But it didn’t make me more intellectual
Y’all nikkas just be typing shyt

 

[the artist known az]

College has nothing to do with intellect
I can say that and I went to college and graduated from a “good” school
People going to college ain’t debating people everyday nor are most people taking full advantage of course curriculum
Most people are literally going and just retaining information to get a piece of paper to feel like they did something in life
The internet has been the great equalizer in all of this
If you truly want to learn, you can do it on your own
There are several good paying jobs that if you have the gumption and determination
You can study on your own, take a test and start a career
The only thing a college helps with is accreditation and making your shyt valid
You know how many professionals out here that went to college and don’t know jack shyt about their field
You know how many people get jobs just because who they know
Yes I’m glade I received a diploma
But it didn’t make me more intellectual
Y’all nikkas just be typing shyt

Trump has a degree from an Ivy League school. That should sink in for everyone