"There are no great big men anymore because the games too fast for them"

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My opinion is that Big men are made in college, off the top of my head the average age their rookie years between Hakeem, Shaq, Zo, Mutumbo, Robinson, Kareem, Ewing, Wilt, Russell, Walton, McHale and Duncan was 22 years old. Shaq was the youngest of that group at 20, and even he stayed 2 years in College to mature. Even lesser centers like Daugherty, Smits, Seikaly all played 4 years, and it makes sense that the last truly great low post player drafted was Duncan. After that you have a flood of HS players and underclassmen hitting the league and most teams don't have the time to tutor players, either they have that foundation from the jump or it's basically "tough luck nikka, convert to a defensive 5".

I also blame the AAU culture as well, it's harder to stand out and wow people if you're down on the block, so more kids gravitate to playing on the perimeter, a dude like Perry Jones (6"11 in shoes) 20 years ago would have stayed 4 years and been a PF without question, right now he has no position in the league.


Ding, ding, ding. Kerr was lamenting the fact that some of these guys play for 4 different AAU teams. How you are you supposed to learn anything that way? As Clyde would say, no continuity at the lower levels nowadays.
 

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Maybe. Maybe the game has evolved over time and maybe we just won't see the dominant 5's anymore.

We might have a 7ft , 265lb Lebron runnin the point in the year 2025...

It's actually devolved IMO.

I am hopeful that with the likes of Bron and Kobe doing what they do in the post will inspire future generations.
 

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Breh, Hakeem developed his game in college as did Deke. Hibbert developed in college. Breh, what are you talking about?

Hakeem was a freak of nature.

Deke developed what game in college? He was a defensive center. Hibbert was told that he was a center at 15.

My real point is about the mentality to bang down low. That has to be instilled at an early age. And the modern college game, its easier to win with jump shooters. The refs call too many fouls on centers.
 

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In my opinion, DeAndre Jordan could have been an elite player had he stayed till his senior year. Heck, Whitehead with Sac-town as well. Now Cousins? Idk about him? DeAndre Jordan lacks every fundamental you can possibly lack.
 

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I damn near guarantee the next great low post center comes from Europe at this point.
yeah, I can see that too.

Another thing, and you all keep thinking I am joking, but the crack/cocaine sentencing laws of the 1980s killed off a lot of promising big men before they could start.

In my opinion, DeAndre Jordan could have been an elite player had he stayed till his senior year. Heck, Whitehead with Sac-town as well. Now Cousins? Idk about him? DeAndre Jordan lacks every fundamental you can possibly lack.
Who was going to teach him how to play the 5 at A&M? All they did for him was throw lobs.

If DeAndre was going to be a great big man, it had to happen way before college.


And Cousins is about as skilled a center as you will find in the NBA. He just crazy.
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
Breh, Bynum has always had quick post moves, what planet are you on?

No one said Smits was a great center. He might be top 5, he's better than Brook Lopez to me. Noah, :flabbynsick: Howard, Hibbert, and Bynum is better than Smits.


Bynum doesn't have quick moves, he has methodical finesse moves mixed in with some power, Luis Scola has quick moves, big Al has quick moves, Bynum does not.

I watched Smits play against real centers, and the fact Dwight struggled so much with Yao because of the size difference tells me he'd struggle just as much with the 7"4 Smits. Right now, Brook Lopez has a case for best center in the league and Smits is without question better than him. I mean RIP to him, but Kevin Duckworth would be top 5 today :merchant:
 

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Bynum doesn't have quick moves, he has methodical finesse moves mixed in with some power, Luis Scola has quick moves, big Al has quick moves, Bynum does not.

I watched Smits play against real centers, and the fact Dwight struggled so much with Yao because of the size difference tells me he'd struggle just as much with the 7"4 Smits. Right now, Brook Lopez has a case for best center in the league and Smits is without question better than him. I mean RIP to him, but Kevin Duckworth would be top 5 today :merchant:

Benoit Benjamin would have a 5yr/ 60 million dollar deal even with his issues.

:krs:

Back in the day he was givin you 14 and 10, 16 and 10..
 

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Hakeem was a freak of nature.

Deke developed what game in college? He was a defensive center. Hibbert was told that he was a center at 15.

My real point is about the mentality to bang down low. That has to be instilled at an early age. And the modern college game, its easier to win with jump shooters. The refs call too many fouls on centers.

Deke was a decent scorer and was useful on offense in NBA. Had he came out early, he would have been another wasted African prospect.

Moses was Hakeems mentor since like 1981. He played him a lot over the summers when Hakeem was in Houston for school and Moses was a Rocket. Hakeem said he really improved because of college breh. You are my dude but there is a reason why these centers aren't making an impact unless they are Juniors or Seniors when they enter the NBA.
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
yeah, I can see that too.

Another thing, and you all keep thinking I am joking, but the crack/cocaine sentencing laws of the 1980s killed off a lot of promising big men before they could start.

The dude will probably come from Lithuania, as small as that country is, they seem to produce centers.

I made jokes about the next great American center being aborted, but it's probably true :ld:


Benoit Benjamin would have a 5yr/ 60 million dollar deal.

:krs:

Back in the day he was givin you 14 and 10, 16 and 10..

The sad part is he would too :laugh:
 

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Yeah, I think KG really took this to the next stratosphere..

Think about it. KG was the 1st HS player drafted straight to the league since Moses Malone if I'm not mistaken..

He's the father of this HS to the NBA shyt for a whole generation of kids..

These kids didn't grow up on Moses Malone killin you in the post gettin 20pts and 20 rebs for breakfast.

They grew up on seein KG hittin those jumpers..


KG to me represents the next era. The era of the new age 6'11, 7ft, PF who can step out and hit jumpers from 18-20ft and does not want to bang.

The cruel irony of course is that they also grew up watching him get bounced in the first round every year. :russ: That is not winning basketball.
 

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Moses was Hakeems mentor since like 1981. He played him a lot over the summers when Hakeem was in Houston for school and Moses was a Rocket. Hakeem said he really improved because of college breh. You are my dude but there is a reason why these centers aren't making an impact unless they are Juniors or Seniors when they enter the NBA.
so wait, Moses Malone helped Hakeem on his game in the summers. Right, you've made my point for me. (and note I also said THE MODERN college game, like the last 15 years)

and Dikembe never averaged more than 17 points a game. In fact, he never averaged more than 14 a game after his rookie year. He had a nice GTown hook shot, but that was it. He was not a reliable offensive player.

The dude will probably come from Lithuania, as small as that country is, they seem to produce centers.

I made jokes about the next great American center being aborted, but it's probably true :ld:
I wouldnt go as far as aborted. I am just thinking about having a dad, or a male figure teach you post moves when younger. A lot of black men got incarcerated and some future dominant big man lost out on what his dad probably learned on his way up. Its sad. :(
 
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