There's A Difference Between The GOAT And YOUR GOAT

[broller]

So! Don’t care how you feel!
NBA chasing jordan
NFL chasing Brady
We didn’t make that up, History did it for us!
Don’t like it? He had the opportunity to do better than 3.5/23!

It’s funny now how yall want to ignore the finals argument when that’s the only argument he will have when done!!! We don’t care about fukking stats when your career is over! Karl Malone had more points than mj was done.. not one person brought that up when he finished playing. They brought up he never won one ahhahhahaha

I don't mean the total amount of rings. I mean looking at only the finals record. For instance, a 6-1 record is not worse and is in fact better than a 6-0 record in the finals. That's all I'm saying.

Obviously Jordan's record is better than LeBron's and I feel Jordan is the better player. But had LeBron won 6 but had the 5 losses, that should have been looked at favourably compared to Jordan's finals record. Getting there is a feat.

But not to say that that would have made LeBron better than Jordan overall even in that scenario.

 

[Midwest]

I don't mean the total amount of rings. I mean looking at only the finals record. For instance, a 6-1 record is not worse and is in fact better than a 6-0 record in the finals. That's all I'm saying.

Obviously Jordan's record is better than LeBron's and I feel Jordan is the better player. But had LeBron won 6 but had the 5 losses, that should have been looked at favourably compared to Jordan's finals record. Getting there is a feat.

But not to say that that would have made LeBron better than Jordan overall even in that scenario.

You answered your own question! I will say it again BRON had every opportunity to be the the GOAT with no argument. He didn’t!!! He came up very short on the biggest stage. Top 5 without a doubt. GOAT nah stop trying to rewrite history. If bron won 6 or 7 that again changes the argument. Did he? NO so please you and the bronsexuals let it rest, ITs OVER!

 

[GreatestLaker]

You answered your own question! I will say it again BRON had every opportunity to be the the GOAT with no argument. He didn’t!!! He came up very short on the biggest stage. Top 5 without a doubt. GOAT nah stop trying to rewrite history. If bron won 6 or 7 that again changes the argument. Did he? NO so please you and the bronsexuals let it rest, ITs OVER!

So why isn't Bill Russell the goat? Since we are using team accomplishments to rank players.

 

[Midwest]

So why isn't Bill Russell the goat? Since we are using team accomplishments to rank players.

Because he is not! “Tuff shyt”-kobe

 

[murksiderock]

It's bizarre people don't think LeBron was dominant. It's also disturbing that a lot of NBA fans are so polarized. It's like CACs and politics. They're so into one side that they can't even see any positives with another player. You can say Jordan is the best but still say LeBron was dominant and vice versa.

The biggest mistake of Bron's career is playing so long, because we actively have heads pretending like his reputation only comes from playing so long, rather than what he put on the board year after year in his youth...

He wants the record for longest career pn top of everything else, which he has to get to 23 and then i think he'll let it go. But honestly the longer he plays the more people say stupid shyt like "he didnt have an era", "he wasn't dominant", bullshyt like that...

 

[Osmosis]

So! Don’t care how you feel!
NBA chasing jordan
NFL chasing Brady
We didn’t make that up, History did it for us!
Don’t like it? He had the opportunity to do better than 3.5/23!

It’s funny now how yall want to ignore the finals argument when that’s the only argument he will have when done!!! We don’t care about fukking stats when your career is over! Karl Malone had more points than mj when it was done.. not one person brought that up when he finished playing. They brought up he never won one ahhahhahaha

Bron's 4 > Jordan's 6
Just like Jordan's 6 > Bill Russell's 11

Jordan gets penalized for playing in the weak ass 90s

 

[PatCake]

There's a class GOAT level players (MJ, Bron, Kareem, Wilt etc) that if any one claimed they're the GOAT, I wouldn't call them crazy.
Then you have cult followings like somebody calling A.I their goat. Sure A.I was generational, but not GOAT tier like MJ or Bron.

The debate on who's THE goat should never be closed. No one player can fully embody what basketball is all about coz its too great of a sport. There are things Lebron did that MJ cannot replicate. There are things on the court that Kareem did that people thought were wonders, that Lebron or Wilt couldn't replicate.

So my point is..

Spoiler

Lebron is the true GOAT

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[RedBull]

Right, this dumb ass shyt...

As I've said for years:

My dad will be 59 in April, born in 1965. Older than every nikka that posts on this site. Watched Mike play live in person in college, followed his whole career before any of these young Jordan Stans on here knew what basketball was My dad has always, from the time I had an interest in ball to now, he's always said Mike is "in the conversation" but not definitively the GOAT. My dad doesn't think Mike was better than Bron or Kobe, and unlike the resident Jordan Stans, Dad watched this guy Mike's entire career from college to the very end...

I did time many years ago with guys many years older than me. Plenty of old heads disputed Mike as the GOAT, I've detailed this before, and when I say "old heads" these nikkas were 50+ back when I was doing time in the 00s. These guys would be 65-80 if still alive now---->they older than Michael Jordan himself...

Bob Costas believes Mike is the GOAT but went on record as saying time has exaggerated tge gap between Mike, and Bird and Magic. I posted that on here a few years ago, he said "Mike was better but he wasn't that much better than Bird, he wasn't that much better than Magic"...

Bob Costas will be 72 in March, not a young guy...

There's plenty of older cats that dispute Mike as GOAT, we know this from older NBA guys mouths themselves, from Dr J to Oscar to Kareem, Wilt disputed it when he was alive, etc. So sis saying "even old nikkas know he the GOAT", dumb ass statement. Most dudes older than Mike don't think there is "the" GOAT, just a few guys with names in the hat. For sure most dudes older than Mike dispute this...

Anyone who has followed ball knows Mike's era and the media contingent and corporate sponsors in bed with him jacked him off as GOAT, which in turn influenced the generation of fans after his own generation, and then the generation after that, which is probably mine as I was born in '89...

My assertion has always been a simple one, if you're comparing players across eras don't tell me what a nikka would do to someone he didn't play against, wasn't the same league. Mike Stans don't allow this when talking about era's before his. All-Timers would be All-Timers in any era, but the "6-for-6" argument only holds weight vs The League he accomplished that feat against. It's literally secondary when we comparing to All-Timers who weren't in that era...

I really, really don't like Jordan Stans. Nothing is ever consistent with these nikkas and they stay with the worst opinions trying to pass it off as fact. Homegirl just did the same thing these other nikkas do...

My father and I BOTH saw MJ’s whole entire career from college. My dad felt MJ was the most amazing basketball athlete he saw, he was amazed at his athleticism, but he was always go back to speaking about the original Black Jesus, Earl “The Pearl” Monroe and the Big O. He felt O was the greatest player, then Wilt, the Dr.J and lastly Jerry West. Pops would’ve been 82, he never got to see MJ’s second 3 peat.

I don’t think Kobe or Lebron is better than MJ, and I’ve never been a huge MJ fan because of how the NBA pampered and babied him. Loved the player, but not the product. I think Kareem is the greatest and most accomplished basketball player ever. With a fair argument to back my opinion.

My point is, no matter what we all feel, it’s still OPINION. But refuse to debate with those who never saw or witnessed MJ’s reign. You had to be there to have a TRUE opinion. And yes, older dudes will dispute MJ’a place as the GOAT, because they forgot more basketball than these dudes of today saw. It’s dumb to me when people get upset if others don’t have MJ or Lebron as the GOAT, but it’s no surprise because both players had a huge media engine behind them like no one else. But one is forced while the other was organic. You make the choice

 

[Flex Luger]

 

[murksiderock]

My father and I BOTH saw MJ’s whole entire career from college. My dad felt MJ was the most amazing basketball athlete he saw, he was amazed at his athleticism, but he was always go back to speaking about the original Black Jesus, Earl “The Pearl” Monroe and the Big O. He felt O was the greatest player, then Wilt, the Dr.J and lastly Jerry West. Pops would’ve been 82, he never got to see MJ’s second 3 peat.

I don’t think Kobe or Lebron is better than MJ, and I’ve never been a huge MJ fan because of how the NBA pampered and babied him. Loved the player, but not the product. I think Kareem is the greatest and most accomplished basketball player ever. With a fair argument to back my opinion.

My point is, no matter what we all feel, it’s still OPINION. But refuse to debate with those who never saw or witnessed MJ’s reign. You had to be there to have a TRUE opinion. And yes, older dudes will dispute MJ’a place as the GOAT, because they forgot more basketball than these dudes of today saw. It’s dumb to me when people get upset if others don’t have MJ or Lebron as the GOAT, but it’s no surprise because both players had a huge media engine behind them like no one else. But one is forced while the other was organic. You make the choice

I agree, Mike is forced whole generation of cats my age, who never saw more than Mike's second 3peat at best, were brainwashed into believing he the GOAT before we had the ability to analyze and break down ball for ourselves...

I can't agree with the "you had to be there" to see Mike because I literally heard old nikkas say this about Dr J...Wilt...Kareem...Russell. What's the difference between someone who saw those guys play, and you only saw Mike? There is no difference...

What I do agree is that it's ALL opinion. The only wrong answer are guys who clearly don't belong in that conversation. When comparing All-Timers cross eras, there is no right answer...

As for me, I saw Wizards Mike, he wasn't what Bron is at the same age. I know a litany of advanced metrics support their primes being in the same tier and only a marginal gap at most. Bron had his team in title contention far more often than Mike did, and did so in an objectively more talent stacked era. Bron was objectively a greater floor raiser and led contenders regardless of one scheme, one coach, one great teammate, one team, one conference, he excelled with a variety of styles and philosophies around him, and again, he did it in a more stacked era...

Again I agree my opinion is still an opinion but ain't no convincing me a guy who couldn't lead contenders aside from one coach and style is better than Bron. No convincing me that a guy who took advantage of a weak 90s era after the C's/Lakers fell off, a guy who led sub-.500 teams to playoff berths is better than a guy who led a Finals run in Y4 at 22...

 

[Sccit]

KOBE IS THE GOAT

MJ 1B

LEBRON NOT TOP 10

 

[bigde09]

Lebron is top 10 in his position

 

[Bar Razor]

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[I AM WARHOL]

WELL PUT YOUNG LADY










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I think I just fell in love. I’ve always said MY GOAT is Kobe. But yeah the GOAT is MJ. It is what it is.

 

[Trojan 24]

LeGBT going out so sad, typing things on a message board doesn't make them real fellas