Theresa May calls June 8th Election (RESULT: Tories fail to win majority; Coalition formed with DUP)
The terms of Brexit aren't yet known but the whole single market access-free movement nexus is one that the Tories haven't rally dealt with fully. On one hand they tout the ability of the UK to get bilateral deals outside the EU with the rest of the world to offset the EU but they realistically know that a lot of trade is done with geographically close countries. It seems the Lib Dems got destroyed by their time in coalition and don't seem to have recovered. Labour are the ones who are in a bad space because the difference between their membership and general electorate is obvious as well as the fact that a lot of their voters voted to remain but their mood seems to be to go along with Brexit.
TheAlbionist
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That's how we ended up in this Tory cluster-fukk in the first place.
I fell for that once. Never again.
thatrapsfan
Superstar
I don't get why Corbyn hasn't made a stronger case against Brexit. Its seems moronic.
The problem with far-left "anti-establishment" type of candidates, is they never take responsibility for their leadership. Can see it with the whole laundry list of excuses about why Labour's polling terribly under Corbyn
The problem with far-left "anti-establishment" type of candidates, is they never take responsibility for their leadership. Can see it with the whole laundry list of excuses about why Labour's polling terribly under Corbyn
MikeyC
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This. No matter what you think of the bloke or his perceived lack of fight to remain, progressive, reasonable people must rally and prevent May becoming a female Trump. Not holding out too much hope though...
I don't get why Corbyn hasn't made a stronger case against Brexit. Its seems moronic.
The problem with far-left "anti-establishment" type of candidates, is they never take responsibility for their leadership. Can see it with the whole laundry list of excuses about why Labour's polling terribly under Corbyn
He isn't all that opposed to Brexit...
thatrapsfan
Superstar
Thats my point. His stance is a very stupid one that's won him no further political support. The romantic working-class base he imagines this will appeal to, has no interest in him, while the actual voters that could turn the election for Labour are very much against Brexit.
All the whining about the neo-liberal conspiracy from Corby supporters, refuses to hold him to account for his very bad position on Brexit.
I don't get why Corbyn hasn't made a stronger case against Brexit. Its seems moronic.
The problem with far-left "anti-establishment" type of candidates, is they never take responsibility for their leadership. Can see it with the whole laundry list of excuses about why Labour's polling terribly under Corbyn
He's so in over his head
Brexit isn't the kind of issue you change your views on to win votes. It's too big for that.
Brexit is bigger than being Prime Minister even.
thatrapsfan
Superstar
Yeah I dont get what this means. Its a political question and should be evaluated as such. Corbyn's position doesn't make sense whichever angle you approach it, as a Labour voter.
Sounds like you think Corbyn should be more interested in winning Labour votes then implementing policies he wants.
If you're Corbyn and you support Brexit, why would you trade Brexit for parliament, where you will only be able to make marginal changes to the country at most?
Leaving the EU doesn't have to be a bad thing, I wouldn't be all that opposed either if circumstances where different. It's the xenophobia and racism that's caused brexit I have an issue with, not brexit itself.
Add to that the fact that we have a Tory government who will strip away workers rights and the NHS and brexit right now is a disaster.
TheAlbionist
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Leaving the EU doesn't have to be a bad thing, I wouldn't be all that opposed either if circumstances where different. It's the xenophobia and racism that's caused brexit I have an issue with, not brexit itself.
Add to that the fact that we have a Tory government who will strip away workers rights and the NHS and brexit right now is a disaster.
Exactly.
Corbyn was fairly privately anti-EU because he worried it could be and has been used to steamroll conservative economics into its member states to the benefit of the strong and fukking up the poorer states, it reduces the ability of each individual member state to enact progressive policies and leads to a mismatched Europe of creditors (Germany, France, etc) and debtors (Portugal, Greece etc). He was publicly pro-EU with the proviso that it needed some serious socialist reforms to make it a genuinely fair union.
In the end he was happy to stump for Remain because Brexit wasn't being sold as an opportunity to make socialist reforms, it was entirely about getting out of the European Court of Human Rights and the European Parliament even if it means inflaming racism and xenophobia at home, turning us into laughing stocks abroad and losing access to the most important import/export market in our area of the world.
I very much doubt anyone but the Lib Dems will try (and I honestly think we've learnt our lesson there), but there could be 48% of the voting populace ready for someone who says they'll rip the whole Brexit shyt up and give us another vote...
thatrapsfan
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Corbyn has no chance in implementing any of his policy positions without a mandate, which is as far away as ever for Labour right now. I think its pretty self-explanatory that a leader of an opposition party should be interested in retaining votes.
His Brexit position was also certainly informed by electoral politics, not simply a philosophical exercise. He thought his middle of the road position during the campaign and lack of opposition after it could appeal to Labour's traditional base in the North, but it hasn't hit at all. If there's any mood that Labour can capture in the general electorate, it was one thats against Brexit, and he's blown it.
Also your final assertion in the second sentence is a weird one. They're not mutually exclusive and the idea that a governing party can only make marginal policy changes as part of the E.U., goes against the Tory record in power so far.