@thewordismine13 Let's discuss what about intersectionality makes you a c00n

[southpawstyle]

I think the problem is that when black women bring up there issues as women it of comes off as they're teaming with white women.

There should be a better job of framing the issues of black women specifically otherwise white women will co-opt the narrative and continue to pretend they are not the second most dominant group in the world

There are smart women out there doing work, breh. The problem is a culture of outrage we live in. One person is outraged about one thing so another person becomes outraged about their outrage and so on....meanwhile the people actually doing research and analysis get overlooked because their studies aren't sensationalized click bait.

 

[Pressure]

ok if thats what intersectionalism is then thats good

but the genesis of this argument was a couple of clowns trying to equate immigration issues with black issues and i believe that is also intersectionalism, that is where intersectionlism becomes becomes detrimental to black people[/QUOTE]

So which it? Are you sure you're pro black?

Your homophobia is horrifying, you are obviously not a real progressive, you should be banned from HL, so that HL can be a safe space for intersectionalism and other progressive values

its actually interesting how these different schools of thought are appearing, for the past 30 years black people have been following this civil rights theory about integration nowadays you have the BLM who are the continuation of the civil rights movements, the black feminism/intersectionalism movement, the hoteps and the (im not sure what to call it, but i would describe it as economic empowerment movement) by tariq, jason black, claude anderson and boyce watkins

we are discussing black people, this whole effort to put black issues along those other issues aka intersectionalism is another dumb white liberal idea being pushed by blm and civil rights relics

e are discussing black people, this whole effort to put black issues along those other issues aka intersectionalism is another dumb white liberal idea being pushed by blm and civil rights relics

Clearly I am, that's why I don't get distracted when white liberals write some corny story using every victim canard in the book and trying to use intersectionalism to attach black people to the invasion of the us by 11 million illegal immigrants from Latin America

ranslation: I'm a liberal c00n and I think we should gloss over racism from non white people to promote intersectionalism

 

[JahFocus CS]

All you dumbasses have to do to understand intersectionality is read some of Crenshaw's writings, since, you know, she coined the term, instead of relying on your low brow right-wing or Hotep/ankh right intuition.

 

[theworldismine13]

No sir. The genesis of this argument is you saying that anyone who supports Intersectionality is c00ning point, blank, period. Then you doubled down not knowing what Intersectionality is and calling anyone who supports it a weak c00n that's a victim of white liberalism.

You're a disingenuous fukking idiot. I'm glad you've successfully boxed yourself into a corner after spouting nonsense on this topic for over three months.

and the reason for making that comment was watching you and a couple of other people grind away writing essays about immigration and you specifically saying that you dont care about black high school dropouts

intersectionality is just a word, you can define it anyway you want but in practice, lets be honest what it really means, intersectionality in practice means people like @MeachTheMonster saying that black people cant move forward without allies and writing esays defending immgration and trying to attach black people to immigration issues, so in practice intersectionality is c00ning, cowardly and weak minded

 

[southpawstyle]

@theworldismine13 its alright to not agree on everyone's perspective of the word. The important part is knowing a struggle is bigger than yourself and working with others to change what you don't like.

 

[theworldismine13]

but the genesis of this argument was a couple of clowns trying to equate immigration issues with black issues and i believe that is also intersectionalism, that is where intersectionlism becomes becomes detrimental to black people

So which it? Are you sure you're pro black?

so i guess i have to repeat myself

if intersectionalism is black men and women discussing how they are effected by white supremacy then its good

if its something where black people are caping for illegal immigrants, lgbt, muslims, feminists and tom dikk and harry, then its bad

am i stuttering?

 

[JahFocus CS]

@theworldismine13 its alright to not agree on everyone's perspective of the word. The important part is knowing a struggle is bigger than yourself and working with others to change what you don't like.

these pseudo-nationalist Afrikans aren't concerned with justice, only trying to take the place of cacs in the social order.

 

[southpawstyle]

these pseudo-nationalist Afrikans aren't concerned with justice, only trying to take the place of cacs in the social order.

That may be true. Probably not my place to say tho.......()

 

[theworldismine13]

these pseudo-nationalist Afrikans aren't concerned with justice, only trying to take the place of cacs in the social order.

Yep, the justice will come after we are on top

 

[Pressure]

Yep, the justice will come after we are on top

YOU will never be on top.

 

[theworldismine13]

YOU will never be on top.

It doesn't matter if I get to be on top, im laying the groundwork for future people to be on top

And that foundation for future domination starts with the proper intellectual foundation and avoidance of weak minded, cowardly ideologies

 

[Anyanwu]

No he's right.
Take intersectionalist feminism for example. Countless examples of white women leaving black feminists to dry and only helping them when it's to attack black men.

Unless there is another form of intersectionality I am unaware of.

I didn't see anyone address your post so I thought I would.

One of the reasons intersectionality was created because feminism failed to address the issues of black women (and other women of color).

Hell, some [white] feminists were advocating for their male counterparts to give white women, and only white women, the right to vote to offset and overwhelm black men having the right to vote legally. It'd be 2:1 and they already had the majority, so it would leave the black community even more powerless.

Obviously there are still problems that persist today, including the example you gave. However, black women (and other women of color) aren't at the mercy of their white counterparts like they have been in the past.

IIRC, another black woman created Womanism as a parallel and breakaway from feminism because of the issues with white feminism and white women in general.

I hope this helps

Edit: Apparently somebody did

 

[Anyanwu]

Black people have no real friends and allies. It's all about black domination in economics and education.

While love this idea and know we should strive for ownership of our own institutions, you're overlooking a key factor.

The black population in America has been stable around 13 percent for decades.

No minority population in the world has ever been able to "dominate" in a country whose institutions were built to oppress them. Examples of countries with a minority population exponentially holding power are South Africa and Brazil, where whites are minorities but still hold significant institutional power/wealth -- and we know why that is.

We're going to need some help. I'm a realist, I'm not saying we need to all hold hands and sing We are the World, but we do need nuance in our fight for our community against our enemies. We're smarter than them. Why stoop to their position which grows less tenable by the decade?

 

[satam55]

@CharlieManson

 

[theworldismine13]

While love this idea and know we should strive for ownership of our own institutions, you're overlooking a key factor.

The black population in America has been stable around 13 percent for decades.

No minority population in the world has ever been able to "dominate" in a country whose institutions were built to oppress them. Examples of countries with a minority population exponentially holding power are South Africa and Brazil, where whites are minorities but still hold significant institutional power/wealth -- and we know why that is.

We're going to need some help. I'm a realist, I'm not saying we need to all hold hands and sing We are the World, but we do need nuance in our fight for our community against our enemies. We're smarter than them. Why stoop to their position which grows less tenable by the decade?

translation: what is we gon do without massa? Oh wait I have brilliant idea! Lets just stay here in the plantation and work something out, maybe we can share some crops with him!