They finally found the only media voter who didn’t put Nikola Jokic as a top 5 player in the MVP race. It was Mark Jackson

[Remy LeBreh]

I respect Mark Jackson and I still believe he should be a head coach in this league but Donovan Mitchell at 5 is crazy and I like Shai a lot but he isn't there yet.

I thought we were past this as a culture

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Bron could have won 7 in a row from 2008 thru 2014, that's the window. Also could have won in '18 and '20...

Could have won in 2006 too. Averaged 31-7-7 while leading a terrible team to 50 wins. Coli posters talk about Kobe getting screwed that year cause he averaged 35, but LeBron, not Kobe, was the one who actually finished 2nd and he scored more efficiently while also beating Kobe on every other stat and winning more games with just as bad a supporting cast. Finished first by a long shot in both VORP and BPM.

'08 Kobe was the Lifetime Achievement Award on some, "well I guess it's time we give him the award". It certainly wasn't Kobe's best season, nor even his best season to that point if his career. There was always an argument Paul should have won it and '08 was the first year people started calling Bron the best player in basketball...

We can agree any Wade for MVP conversation was weak...

We all know why '11 Rose won it. That was the year people acknowledged "LeBron Fatigue" on some, he hasn't won a championship yet. I don't know why nikkas remember Rose being amazing but don't detail the MVP conversation in full. Scratch that, I do know why...

'11 staying looking worse and worse in hindsight too. Bron was a better scorer, rebounder, passer, and defender than Rose, was more efficient, and killed him in every advanced stat by a significant margin (VORP, BPM, Win Shares). Most posters here don't want to admit it but Rose's case is pretty similar to Nash's 2005 case, that neither one had an argument for the actual best player in the NBA, but they were both critical point guards who made the engine run on teams who didn't have as many big names. Nash got the extra white player boost and Rose got the extra LeBron hate boost.

'14 KD was more LeBron Fatigue. He just won 4 MVPs in 5 years. No one thought he was a better basketball player than LeBron. He was the new hotness on some '11 Rose shyt...

'18 Harden deserved his too but it was a make up award for giving it to Westbrook the year prior as much as anything else...

'20 LeBron resurrected the Lakers, had the season continued uninterrupted he'd have won it with the way the Lakers were surging and beat Giannis/Milwaukee in a pivotal late season game...

Hoops Hype argued that Kareem should have won 10 MVPs and Wilt, Jordan, and Bron should have won 9 each. Basically the MVP should be a much more boring award because the best players stay the best players year in and year out.

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If you go by BPM instead, Bron lead the league 7 times (2006 and 2008-2013). If you go by VORP instead, he led 9 times (2006-2013 and 2018). Not that advanced stats should be an MVP case by themself, but they're one objective way of suggested who might have played best that year without emotions and agendas getting in the way.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I chuckled at the convoluted defenses for Jackson's vote when Jackson just straight up said, "I didn't know how to fill out an MVP ballot."

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I chuckled at the convoluted defenses for Jackson's vote when Jackson just straight up said, "I didn't know how to fill out an MVP ballot."

Which makes me wonder is this first MVP vote or did they change up the process this year.

 

[Unbothered]

Rose was almost unanimous because he led his team at such a young age to the #1 seed with his two best players injured a majority of the season while Bron played with a stacked team. Anyone who actually watched that season understood and felt him winning was completely justified. It was nowhere the same as like when Malone won over Jordan. What D Rose did had never been accomplished before in NBA history….That’s why they didn’t give it to Lebron despite him of course being the best player… he had a stacked team, so the media felt they were good even without him because Wade already was a champion before he came. MVP (most valuable player). So Heat also had Bosh. Denver is nothing without Jokic . He is one of the most valuable players in the league with his team finishing at #1 in the West. You used the worst example you could possibly make. And as little votes as Bron got, he was still number 3 lol. Not out of top 5. There was literally nobody more valuable to they team as Rose was that year. The bulls were shyt without him. That’s the definition of MVP. That had nothing to do with Bron. The league was caught off guard and literally captivated because he came out of nowhere and took shyt over that season at #1.it’s a regular season award. Watch more basketball please

You can keep crying but Jokic won't win a 3rd MVP until he actually wins a championship, no matter what numbers he puts up in the regular season.

The only other 3 players to win MVP 3 years straight are Larry Bird, Bill Russell, and Wilt. You know what all those players have in common? Championships. Those three players have won titles, they've validated their 3 back-to-back-to-back MVPs by winning and that's why nobody questions them and their MVPs.

The goal posts and requirements being made by Joker fanboys and fangirls is comical, maybe because he's just not good enough to win a title. We all know it's a regular season award but every voter has their reasons for why they vote for a player and playoff success is subconsciously a factor. Nobody is going to constantly award a guy that can't win when it matters.

This whole “Denver is nothing without Jokic” lie needs to stop. The Nuggets without Jokic have a team capable enough to win around 40-42 games at best which is somewhere around a low seed/play in team. Murray, Porter Jr, Gordon, KCP, Brown, etc are good enough to make the Nuggets a playoff (not championship) contending team without Jokic. The Sixers without Embiid is far worse and you can make an argument with Giannis and the Bucks, using a small sample size of regular season wins and losses in games without Jokic playing isn't an indicator that the Nuggets are nothing without him.

 

[Sauce and Footwork]

You can keep crying but Jokic won't win a 3rd MVP until he actually wins a championship, no matter what numbers he puts up in the regular season.

The only other 3 players to win MVP 3 years straight are Larry Bird, Bill Russell, and Wilt. You know what all those players have in common? Championships. Those three players have won titles, they've validated their 3 back-to-back-to-back MVPs by winning and that's why nobody questions them and their MVPs.

The goal posts and requirements being made by Joker fanboys and fangirls is comical, maybe because he's just not good enough to win a title. We all know it's a regular season award but every voter has their reasons for why they vote for a player and playoff success is subconsciously a factor. Nobody is going to constantly award a guy that can't win when it matters.

This whole “Denver is nothing without Jokic” lie needs to stop. The Nuggets without Jokic have a team capable enough to win around 40-42 games at best which is somewhere around a low seed/play in team. Murray, Porter Jr, Gordon, KCP, Brown, etc are good enough to make the Nuggets a playoff (not championship) contending team without Jokic. The Sixers without Embiid is far worse and you can make an argument with Giannis and the Bucks, using a small sample size of regular season wins and losses in games without Jokic playing isn't an indicator that the Nuggets are nothing without him.

Crying… Joker fan boy

I literally am in this thread talking about how I didn’t want him to win any of the years that he won and wanted Embid to win. My only point was he deserved to be in the top 5. So you can’t not have him in the top 5 if he is literally a toe to toe candidate for MVP. That is not saying I think he won or want him to win.. I already said I didn’t . I have numerous post in the thread… The hell are you talking about. That was the only point I was making. That’s the only reason I was pointing out how good he was … top 5… top 5. Get off the pipe

And Denver in no way is a #1 seed without Joker stop… they not beating that Suns team. And I am in absolutely no way a Nuggets fan. I wanted them to lose.

Edit : sorry may have wrote dumb ass earlier… Didn’t even notice I was talking to a female really didn’t mean that. Just a friendly conversation

 

[Joe Sixpack]

 

[Rasille]

These cacs are something else man . Mark has nothing to apologize for.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Imagine having to put out a statement apologizing for an NBA vote like he did something reprehensible like assaulted a woman

The Jokic mafia move different. You think he'd be putting out statements if he had left off Embiid (the actual MVP)? Hell no.

These cacs are something else man . Mark has nothing to apologize for.

Members of the media have put out statements like this before clearing up matters around who they voted for when there's been controversy.

Mark fukked up (and he most likely lied to cover up whatever agenda he has), why do you think he should be absolved from culpability, all because you don't care for Jokic, and y'all are mad that he's looking like the most dominant player in the league?

At the end of the day, it's not that serious. He should have his voting rights stripped of him and we can move on.

 

[Rasille]

Media members have put out statements like this before clearing up matters around who they voted for when there's been controversy.

Mark fukked up (and he most likely lied to cover up whatever agenda he has), why do you think he should be absolved from culpability, all because you don't care for Jokic, and y'all are mad that he's looking like the most dominant player in the league?

At the end of the day, it's not that serious. He should have his voting rights stripped of him and we can move on.

Did the guy that voted for Iverson and cost Shaq unanimous MVP had to apologize? What about the guy that voted for Melo over Bron? It’s one thing to explain your rationale, but it’s something else to have to apologize like he was accused of committing a crime. But I guess in Jokic fans minds that was a crime but I digress.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Did the guy that voted for Iverson and cost Shaq unanimous MVP had to apologize? What about the guy that voted for Melo over Bron?

Besides, both those examples are entirely different things. They weren't mistakes, well, not in the eyes of those two members of the media.

What about the guy that voted for Melo over Bron? It’s one thing to explain your rationale, but it’s something else to have to apologize like he was accused of committing a crime. But I guess in Jokic fans minds that was a crime but I digress.

He didn't have to apologize. He apologized on his own accord. And no, it's not as if he's been accused of committing a crime. You're just being overdramatic because you have an agenda against Jokic. And why are you acting like fans of all players don't get upset when their favorite player doesn't win an award or is robbed of an unanimous vote because of mistakes or agendas?

This isn't anything new.

 

[JayGatsby]

Dude is a fool....

 

[Rasille]

Besides, both those examples are entirely different things. They weren't mistakes, well, not in the eyes of those two members of the media.

He didn't have to apologize. He apologized on his own accord. And no, it's not as if he's been accused of committing a crime. You're just being overdramatic because you have an agenda against Jokic. And why are you acting like fans of all players don't get upset when their favorite player doesn't win an award or is robbed of an unanimous vote because of mistakes or agendas?

This isn't anything new.

Were they pressured into having to apologize? No.

 

[VegetasHairline]

 

[Joe Sixpack]

With all due respect