This is how it ends: Bernie proposes $15T tax increase, including increase on middle class

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Im sure bernie will forgive all student loans :skip:


Thats what some of my friends think :pachaha:
Of he just does that...he's earned my vote. I don't need the free college. I'd gladly pay for the folks about to enter (I say half subsidy here instead of full European), but I'll follow his judgement if he helps me out there
 

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but who's allowing these corporations to get away with it? who created the loopholes?
was it the average joe? no, it was the government that is now asking for more money
every problem you listed has been allowed to exist by the government so I'm sorry that I don't trust them with even more of my money :manny:

oh and i just want to point out that I'm mostly talking about FEDERAL tax increases, i have no problem paying for cops, fire depts, etc, but that's all state/local level stuff
ok lets discuss it. You do realize i agree with you right? lets start there first.

i'm not in love with the government.

But there are some things that we are better at pooling our resources and allowing the govvy to setup something for ALL of us that will save us cash and assist us. now the moment you give an entity that kind of cash/power. someone can go to far. we know this. but that will never stop being the case. thats just reality. its a reality we have to live with. the question is, what kinds of checks and balance you can put into place? we have them. but we rarely use them. or i should say. we stopped using them. which got us in trouble a few years ago. but US is like me and you. small business owner, middle to broke classers and even some ballers on the lower baller scale took some L's during the downturn. but who won were the 1%. they won so big. that the gulf between the haves and have nots increased. what part of the game is that?

see understand something. when you hear repubs and fake libertarian repubs, talking that let the markets correct themselves, and get the government out of this or that when it comes to business. they are not telling you the entire story.

These fools want the government out of the way. but yet they love the military and guess what the government does, outsource aka contract a lot of private sector folks to work for them. most people dont realize how many people government programs will employ that dont work DIRECTLY for the government.

repubs know this. so they are just talking. they dont mean it. let the markets correct themselves would work if big companies would stop lobbying to change the rules.

and for the record. Bernie agrees with me and you on what you said about the government. why do you think he's raising most of his doe from regular people and not getting paid from ultra rich folks. he's trying to get the money out of washington. he's setting an example. see its one thing to talk it. its another to walk it. the dude is walking it. and he's been saying the same things for years. the reason that wall street, and these huge companies find these loopholes is because they buy off politician, put money in judges, pockets to loosen up the laws and rules. so they can break them without actually breaking them.

Obama hasnt put a single Bank CEO in jail, while having them pay some fines. why not? its obvious they have been proven guilty. which is why they have to pay so much. why no jail time? because you can't put the guy in jail who helped you get elected.

quiet as kept. some of that election money is blood money. you know why? because they are to some degree stealing it from the american people using some of it to buy politicians to turn around and change laws or make sure they never put anyone in place to be a cop and go after these people. so when they break laws, they pay a little fine and keep it pushing. while the rest of us starve.

and obama is technically the good guy in comparison to some. hillary is worse, repubs are just as bad as her or worse.

bernie is like NOPE. EFF ALL THAT. time to take the money out. these are the type of people we need to vote for at the local, state, and federal levels. if we dont. we get what we deserve for not paying attention. sure its not right to rob someone, but if you're stupid enough to walk in a dark alley at 3am in the morning counting your money and you get robbed. a lot of that is your fault.
 

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and yet we have corporating skipping out on not a little but ALL Of their tax burden. so miss me with that.
we have corporations making BILLIONS, still trying to duck and dodge the tax man.

Do you realize the reason our tax is the highest because there is no place better to do business than in america? DO you know why that is mr Business Owner?

Do you realize america for the most part is the least corrupt(i didnt say NOT, i said LEAST). Thats because we have laws in place. we need people to hold others to those laws. that costs a lot of money bruh. you do realize the cops, the fire dept, that will make sure google's buildings are safe are paid for by all of us?

NOw with all that said. are we blowing money some where? hell yeah. and can we address that? Sure. lets start trying to address it. but until then my G, we Gotta eat. we need to EAT TODAY. people think clearer on a full stomach.

you do also know we give a lot of kick backs to companies that probably dont deserve them. some companies i know a lot about have played the shell game of moving their companies to friendly states for more kick backs even though their workforce is shaky at best when it comes to what the companies need. they dont care. they just want those state kick backs that come from tax payer dollars. thats something the so called "NO NEW TAXES" republicans push. these are repub states that are giving these big companies tax breaks to run this game.
Ask Sam Brownback how going full retard (kickback Republican) turned out. Trickle down can never work. Its failure is fundamental. The reason small business owners have it so hard is that big business doesn't pay their fair share. SOMEONE has to cover that, and they blame the wrong people. Democrats are actually far better for small business. Keynesian economics is even better.

Ask any small business owner where have they gotten the most bang for their investment, if they were part of multiple party rule. They would say they got the most credits on taxes in Reublicans, but more business and profit in Democratic.
 

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Ask Sam Brownback how going full retard (kickback Republican) turned out. Trickle down can never work. Its failure is fundamental. The reason small business owners have it so hard is that big business doesn't pay their fair share. SOMEONE has to cover that, and they blame the wrong people. Democrats are actually far better for small business. Keynesian economics is even better.

Ask any small business owner where have they gotten the most bang for their investment, if they were part of multiple party rule. They would say they got the most credits on taxes in Reublicans, but more business and profit in Democratic.
republicans hate welfare for the citizens. but the love CORPORATE welfare. and their logic for that(Even though they dont believe it) is that companies hire people and they should get a kick back for doing so. and here's what i say to that. you shoudlnt get a dime for hiring people. you know why? THATS WHAT A BUSINESS IS ALL ABOUT. if you go into business and you want to expand, guess what, you need to hire people. and then if you keep doing well YOu mr owner mrs owner will reap the rewards. You dont need kick backs. no one does. quiet as kept i think they should make it illegal for any state/city to give kick backs period. nope. you want to do business and get more employees. hire them on your own and reap the rewards. real simple.

the reason the repubs for the most part and hillary too love corporate welfare is because these big willies are the ones who pay for their campaigns. while also having jobs waiting for these people after they're done in politics. or even better have openings for speeches when their still on the job(hillary).
 

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republicans hate welfare for the citizens. but the love CORPORATE welfare. and their logic for that(Even though they dont believe it) is that companies hire people and they should get a kick back for doing so. and here's what i say to that. you shoudlnt get a dime for hiring people. you know why? THATS WHAT A BUSINESS IS ALL ABOUT. if you go into business and you want to expand, guess what, you need to hire people. and then if you keep doing well YOu mr owner mrs owner will reap the rewards. You dont need kick backs. no one does. quiet as kept i think they should make it illegal for any state/city to give kick backs period. nope. you want to do business and get more employees. hire them on your own and reap the rewards. real simple.

the reason the repubs for the most part and hillary too love corporate welfare is because these big willies are the ones who pay for their campaigns. while also having jobs waiting for these people after they're done in politics. or even better have openings for speeches when their still on the job(hillary).
This post should go viral. People don't see it. It's a grand Ponzi scheme. Was running errands today and just thought about how trickle down was like the president and fed in charge of a bank. They give the money, flat out, to corporations, and the corporations give them loans for their campaigns to stay bank manager, and finders fees when they retire. Meanwhile, they're forcing people to buy CD'S when the banks are insolvent.

We don't force businesses to stand on their own, by Keynesian principles, while we make sure there's going to be demand. We force more people to have to use the same bank, and share negative interest rates and the middle class into CD'S with the HOPE that the corporations may bring more people to the bank for them. So the corporations get the money anyway. What would make you hire people?
 

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Yeah 15 trillion dollar tax increase in a recession and driving more businesses out of the country with increased taxes. That should solve everything. SMH.
Government subsidization of higher ed and healthcare has us in the position we are in now, more of it isn't going to make things better
 

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before you start panicking. Americans spend $2-$3 Trillion per year on health insurance. That's $20-$30 Trillion per decade on health insurance alone. Bernie's tax plan, which will cost $15 Trillion per decade, includes making college tuition free, universal healthcare, and an infrastructure bill that will create 13 million jobs. So do the math. For half of what Americans pay for health insurance, they'll be getting healthcare, free college tuition, and better infrastructure. Bernie's tax plan makes too much sense!

Nah :camby:
 

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Some people say they shouldn't have to pay for public schools if they don't have any kids attending. Both of you are selfish a$$holes. :yeshrug:

it's not being selfish, don't defame me because my opinion is different than yours, and don't act there is not fault in free social programs man.

of course I believe everyone should have access to AFFORDABLE health care and AFFORDABLE college but I believe they are better ways than a 15T tax plan.
 

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it's not being selfish, don't defame me because my opinion is different than yours, and don't act there is not fault in free social programs man.

of course I believe everyone should have access to AFFORDABLE health care and AFFORDABLE college but I believe they are better ways than a 15T tax plan.
i dont believe you. and explain to us. what are those better ways..IN DETAIL. if you dont have any answer and no details. you're lying. so i'll be waiting for that reply...
 

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fukk this bullshyt. The far left fools that support Bernie live in nothing but a fantasy land. I expect once healthcare and tuition are free, expect rates of both to skyrocket. Expect the 15 trillion tax increase to become 20 trillion. Raising taxes to obscene levels does nothing but constrain the economy and inhibit growth. Plus with the constant stream of illegals any such system will eventually collapse due to the constant increase in people.

This shyt is nothing but unrealistic nonsense designed to gain votes.


this guy usually says stupid and idiotic things, but he's on point for once.

we have a immigration/population issue and making us into a welfare state is only going to further that.

We need to get impoverished people into more vocational jobs like farming, picking oranges, building shyt, cleaning up their communities, community policing etc etc. Instead of letting them live on the government teet scotch free. Bernie hustling backwards, needs to just approve slave reparations, be done with it, and start promoting healthy capitalistic state.
 

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i dont believe you. and explain to us. what are those better ways..IN DETAIL. if you dont have any answer and no details. you're lying. so i'll be waiting for that reply...

um ... how about let's start with raising taxes only on those that can afford to be taxed.
and for me affordable health care is a great solution and has been doing well to achieve this goal.
 

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it's not being selfish, don't defame me because my opinion is different than yours, and don't act there is not fault in free social programs man.

of course I believe everyone should have access to AFFORDABLE health care and AFFORDABLE college but I believe they are better ways than a 15T tax plan.
You're what's wrong with the country. Your position is in the minority and not what's beneficial to the greater good, so you want to dig your feet in and stamp your feet. Maybe you shouldn't live in a country that has "United" in it.
 

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You're what's wrong with the country. Your position is in the minority and not what's beneficial to the greater good, so you want to dig your feet in and stamp your feet. Maybe you shouldn't live in a country that has "United" in it.

According to the democratic voters my position is the majority.
Don't know where you are getting your numbers from man.
 
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