It all evens out. We will be getting paid more.Why make the middle class pay more?!
This is how it ends: Bernie proposes $15T tax increase, including increase on middle class
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superunknown23
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You might get crumbs after the rich get taken care of first
What do YOU actually know about healthcare?After the Obamacare fight....
You guys really think we're going to get Universal Healthcare? This isn't happening. The reason Obamacare is such a mess because it was butchered in congress in order to get something that would be passed through both houses. I doubt this scenario will ever come to fruition and I predict what will happen is we will maybe get dilapidated and gutted legislation that gives us "free" healthcare or colleges to some extent but it will be so broken that we will not see these savings.
The ACA fight last a year or so if I remember and a lot of the goals towards universal healthcare (single-payer) were complete non-starters..
As we all know in the end, ACA only benefited health insurance companies in the end.
Probably only what you've heard. again, i can go out on a limb and say on Thecoli.com i'm probalby the expert, since i've worked in the field for Years.
The ACA was never a magic bullet. and some took L's. while others took W's, while the rest are some where in between.
Truth is this.
The ACA is STILL better than what you had before it by FAR. If you need me to break that down to you i will.
Simply put your current plan is more comprehensive then your old plan which for people buying the dirty cheap plans were thy had TRASH insurance. meaning that ish didnt cover anything of value. if something were to really happen to you where you need it to really work on your behalf. The ACA would actually cover a lot of stuff that would not have been covered under your trash policy from the past. in addition. where these insurance companies use to kick you off your paid coverage when they felt you've spent to much. they cant do that under the ACA. You would be surprised how many people go without coverage for months because they lost their jobs in the past pre ACA. and when they get a new job. insurance wont kick in because they have a pre-existing condition. every pre-ex is not their fault. some people are born with say Type 1 diabetes. that means they had kids out there with no insurance while the person worked on a job and actually was paying for health insurance thru their employer until the waiting period expired. that means these people would have to pay for coverage out of pocket(if they could afford it). depending on how much stuff you needed. you could go broke while you're actually working. how real is that? thats the old pre aca health game we were in. yall have no idea how much better the ACA is.
oh and for the record. A lot of companies actually lost money. This is why you're seeing the mergers of these big health insurance companies. and Third party administrators. They were actually giving the providers of service the same in network rates with the ACA(exchange plans/market place plans) as they did with their old plans. problem was, they found out last year, that not enough HEALTHY individuals signed up for the same plans which would've given them the money they thought they were getting with all the extra people that were covered.
Basically they found out america has a lot of sick folks or a lot of people that have never seen a doctor in life and now they had a chance to so they ran to it. vs the super healthy(which is usually young adults). But slowly more people started to sign up. that slow caused some of these companies to loose cheddar.
This is why a Universal or Medicare for all would work best for the people. and in the long run for providers of service because they will then have ALL americans at their disposal for needed services. there would be no one that couldnt afford their items since it would be covered.
now the insurance companies would be dead. and thank goodness for that.
You might get crumbs after the rich get taken care of first
hey, if the american public is too stupid to add and subtract. they deserve the poor excuses for politicians they get.Does Bernie seriously think the average voter is gonna sit there and calculate whether their yearly savings in healthcare premiums is gonna outdo the tax increase they get? I dunno who's advising this dude but if he had a 10% chance of winning before its down to 0 now
and for the record. BERNIE HAS TOLD YOU ON NUMEROUS DEBATES, SHOWS, ETC. THAT HIS TAX PLAN AND HIS ACTUAL POLICIES WILL GIVE YOU MORE MONEY. He's already explained this very simply.
The problem is, since the media is in the tank for ratings so they need hillary + trump. they want him to go away. He can't defeat the media who is of course ran by the same companies he's trying to go hard on.
simple math. Right now i pay 100 bucks for all out go.. thas current taxes at 30%($30) + $70 in things i pay for
bernie's pan. I would pay $70.00 bucks for all out go... thats bernie taxes for the middle/poor 42%($42) + $28 in things i pay for now(since college is free, health insurance is free, and we make more money since our employers dont have to pay so much in health insurance(they usually pay a portion of your health insurance. and people that didnt have jobs now can get jobs because they can get educated for free and get that piece of paper to go get a decent job. minimum wage is up $5+ dollars to $15, and all the infrastructure jobs that were not there before)
if you can't understand that simple math. which says if all of us pitch in a little more for free college, free healthcare, infrastructure, and minimum wage to $15. then in the end all of us will come out with more money. i dont know what to tell you.
Because the more people putting in a little more for the extra stuff(free college, free health insurance, minimum wage hike to $15, and 13 million infrastructure jobs, means the middle class will actually earn more RIGHT NOW. not in the long run. but RIGHT NOW. It means aside from health insurance companies. all other businesses will save money by not paying a portion of their employees benefits(which they do now). they could save some of that cash and still give their employees raises(increasing your take home even more).Why make the middle class pay more?!
I know. But I'm saying according to his plan it should even all out.You might get crumbs after the rich get taken care of first
plushcarpet
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it's not going to even out for the 24-40yr old who doesn't need health insurance or college tuition but is getting raped in the ass paying for everyone else who does
those are also the years you build your wealth, which is going to be harder now that the government gets a bigger cut
Everyone needs health insurance, imo It should be mandatory to get blood work and disease screening once per year. Also there is nothing wrong with having available free education. If someone wants to build wealth, they still can. It's nothing to stop them.it's not going to even out for the 24-40yr old who doesn't need health insurance or college tuition but is getting raped in the ass paying for everyone else who does
those are also the years you build your wealth, which is going to be harder now that the government gets a bigger cut
plushcarpet
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i'm actually for universal healthcare paid by taxes, but im against raising taxes and i'm also against not having a private option
how many 24-40 year olds do you know that doesnt need to step into a doctors office at least once every few years to get checked up?it's not going to even out for the 24-40yr old who doesn't need health insurance or college tuition but is getting raped in the ass paying for everyone else who does
those are also the years you build your wealth, which is going to be harder now that the government gets a bigger cut
what happens if they find something wrong? no worries just keep pushing?
Do you know how much it would cost for someone without coverage to pay for an emergency like a broken leg? You do know dudes 24 to 40 be playing a lot of basketball, softball beer leagues, etc. Nuccas is in to MMA training nowadays, etc. You do know the reality of you getting hurt enough to make a run to the docs get xrays, etc is probably like a 80% chance right.
You do realize the amt of money you make in salary or per hour for those 24-40 that dont need health coverage, are making less at job they have due to everyone in the company having a portion of their health benefits supplemented by the company. you do know this right?
so it goes further than you thinking "well i just wont pay for my jobs coverage and will save $150 a month. thats true. but say you are making $20 per hour as a 28 year old. with no need for coverage and no college. you do realize one of the reasons you're only getting $20.00 per hour is because your company is paying everyone elses insurance. they are kicking in 70%, 50%, something along those lines. so you even though you dont need it are still kicking in for those who are using it (which is most people). so you're losing a portion of your paycheck that you didnt even know existed.
you should be earning more money. but you didnt know that did you?
did you know that for people to earn a pretty good living without a degree from the ages of 24 - 40 they usually need to be doing some type of blue collar work that pays well. well did you know that america is losing a lot of their blue collar jobs. and if all of a sudden you got 13 million extra infrastructure jos, i can go out on a limb and say 8 million of them would be straight blue collar. which means you have at worse 5 million of the 8 making pretty darn good money and the others making a living finally. the rest are non blue collar jobs for the rest of us.
you do know with medicare for all if you're black(not sure you are). that means government jobs will be expanded by a large amt. and now people that used to work for blue cross, health net, cigna can go get jobs for the govvy where they pay better, and where you dont have to deal with as much BULL shhh when it comes to moving up. because its not profit driven its based on credentials, taking test, and your experience. you do realize black people do the best overall in government job. meaning they make the most money and move up the most on those jobs over private sector jobs(and i've been in the private sector my entire life, but i have family that works for the public sector).
but i bet you didnt think about that did you?
one more thing cash..
Did you realize that most 24-40 year olds that are making a good living working non bluecollar jobs are doing so because they have college degrees(2 year AA's, 4 year BA's, BS',masters, etc.)
DO you realize these same people are paying student loans right now ranging from $10k, 30k, 50k, 80k, 120k........
Do you realize there are teens growing up right now about to graduate highschool. that are going to go to college. and could have a situation where they would have FREE college. which means when they graduate, and get a good job finally. they wont have ANY College debt?
Do you realize student loan debt is usually people's biggest debt before they purchase a HOME. its more than your car bruh.
you know how i know cause the wife is sitting on 80 of em. i'm sittin on 10 of em. thats 90k in student loan debt bruh. what the hell wealth are we talking about without discussing that. and even if they never forgive us for our loans i want the next batch of youngins to ride high and be able to have that welath you speak of without thinking about "man if i could just.... win the lottery and pay off these da... loans." i mean thats how bad it is with these loans. and yeah we doing ok for ourselves. but sure could be doing a whole lot better without darn near 100k sitting on our backs.
See i aint making nothing up. all facts.
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cash, you cant say dont raise my taxes, but i'm with univ healthcare paid by taxes. bruh. they have to raise all of our taxes to some degree. to pull that off.
if i raise your tax a littl to save you a lot. you end up with MORE money Right away. i'm not talking at the end of the year. i'm talking every single month.
every qtr, and yes, every year.
plushcarpet
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how many 24-40 year olds do you know that doesnt need to step into a doctors office at least once every few years to get checked up?
what happens if they find something wrong? no worries just keep pushing?
Do you know how much it would cost for someone without coverage to pay for an emergency like a broken leg? You do know dudes 24 to 40 be playing a lot of basketball, softball beer leagues, etc. Nuccas is in to MMA training nowadays, etc. You do know the reality of you getting hurt enough to make a run to the docs get xrays, etc is probably like a 80% chance right.
You do realize the amt of money you make in salary or per hour for those 24-40 that dont need health coverage, are making less at job they have due to everyone in the company having a portion of their health benefits supplemented by the company. you do know this right?
so it goes further than you thinking "well i just wont pay for my jobs coverage and will save $150 a month. thats true. but say you are making $20 per hour as a 28 year old. with no need for coverage and no college. you do realize one of the reasons you're only getting $20.00 per hour is because your company is paying everyone elses insurance. they are kicking in 70%, 50%, something along those lines. so you even though you dont need it are still kicking in for those who are using it (which is most people). so you're losing a portion of your paycheck that you didnt even know existed.
you should be earning more money. but you didnt know that did you?
did you know that for people to earn a pretty good living without a degree from the ages of 24 - 40 they usually need to be doing some type of blue collar work that pays well. well did you know that america is losing a lot of their blue collar jobs. and if all of a sudden you got 13 million extra infrastructure jos, i can go out on a limb and say 8 million of them would be straight blue collar. which means you have at worse 5 million of the 8 making pretty darn good money and the others making a living finally. the rest are non blue collar jobs for the rest of us.
you do know with medicare for all if you're black(not sure you are). that means government jobs will be expanded by a large amt. and now people that used to work for blue cross, health net, cigna can go get jobs for the govvy where they pay better, and where you dont have to deal with as much BULL shhh when it comes to moving up. because its not profit driven its based on credentials, taking test, and your experience. you do realize black people do the best overall in government job. meaning they make the most money and move up the most on those jobs over private sector jobs(and i've been in the private sector my entire life, but i have family that works for the public sector).
but i bet you didnt think about that did you?
actually i'm a business owner so I did know that and think of that and actually pay all that
my issue is with raising taxes
Im convinced we pay enough taxes to pay for everyone's healthcare without raising them any further
the answer is not to give the government more money, we need to hold them more accountable for the money we give them already
keep this in mind, the USA is one of the highest taxed countries on earth, our corporate taxes are even higher than the Scandinavian countries
you most certainly can
Also Reich didn't out right note that the $4,700 tax increased felt by the middle class will be offset by reduced HC care
and yet we have corporations skipping out on not a little but ALL Of their tax burden. so miss me with that.actually i'm a business owner so I did know that and think of that and actually pay all that
my issue is with raising taxes
Im convinced we pay enough taxes to pay for everyone's healthcare without raising them any further
the answer is not to give the government more money, we need to hold them more accountable for the money we give them already
keep this in mind, the USA is one of the highest taxed countries on earth, our corporate taxes are even higher than the Scandinavian countries
we have corporations making BILLIONS, still trying to duck and dodge the tax man.
Do you realize the reason our tax is the highest because there is no place better to do business than in america? DO you know why that is mr Business Owner?
Do you realize america for the most part is the least corrupt(i didnt say NOT, i said LEAST). Thats because we have laws in place. we need people to hold others to those laws. that costs a lot of money bruh. you do realize the cops, the fire dept, that will make sure google's buildings are safe are paid for by all of us?
NOw with all that said. are we blowing money some where? hell yeah. and can we address that? Sure. lets start trying to address it. but until then my G, we Gotta eat. we need to EAT TODAY. people think clearer on a full stomach.
you do also know we give a lot of kick backs to companies that probably dont deserve them. some companies i know a lot about have played the shell game of moving their companies to friendly states for more kick backs even though their workforce is shaky at best when it comes to what the companies need. they dont care. they just want those state kick backs that come from tax payer dollars. thats something the so called "NO NEW TAXES" republicans push. these are repub states that are giving these big companies tax breaks to run this game.
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plushcarpet
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but who's allowing these corporations to get away with it? who created the loopholes?
was it the average joe? no, it was the government that is now asking for more money
every problem you listed has been allowed to exist by the government so I'm sorry that I don't trust them with even more of my money
oh and i just want to point out that I'm mostly talking about FEDERAL tax increases, i have no problem paying for cops, fire depts, etc, but that's all state/local level stuff