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This is how it ends: Bernie proposes $15T tax increase, including increase on middle class
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Bernie's team ain't doing much of shyt to get these things put out in debates or nothing, but this guy is still clearly the by far best candidate in terms of helping the current situation. You also need the ENTIRE government to become pro-Democrat to get his full impact felt.
Meanwhile, Trump's proposals put us an additional $11 trillion into debt, mostly by putting money in the pockets of the wealthy and the defense contractors. And all his supporters just plug their fingers in their ears and look the other way, because they can't imagine that all that debt has to come out of SOMEONE's pockets one way or another in the future.
Bernie's the only candidate who actually is trying to pay for his plan instead of making forever-debt fantasies in the air, and he takes a hit for it.
Bernie's the only candidate who actually is trying to pay for his plan instead of making forever-debt fantasies in the air, and he takes a hit for it.
Fantastic rebuttal!Nah
I was wondering if this was you phrasing that awkwardly but after reading your other posts I think you truly believe you don't think that poor people pay taxes.
Top 5% here (barely) ....my wife and I bust our azz to get here. We also carry the student loan debt to go along with it. Lets redistribute some of that debt first, before my paycheck gets redistributed. We are taxed enough. We need to hold government more accountable for how they are currently spending.
Do people really believe companies are going to increase wages because they don't have to pay healthcare premiums? Corporations are already getting tax breaks and none of that trickles down to paychecks. Go after them first before you raise taxes on middle class.
All I'm hearing Bernie say is I gotta pay for someone else to get a free ride. We give back in other ways. Leave my paycheck alone.
Do people really believe companies are going to increase wages because they don't have to pay healthcare premiums? Corporations are already getting tax breaks and none of that trickles down to paychecks. Go after them first before you raise taxes on middle class.
All I'm hearing Bernie say is I gotta pay for someone else to get a free ride. We give back in other ways. Leave my paycheck alone.
Cant support the coli Mr 5%
Perfectson
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of course the position is the minority. If you tell me right now, that the rich would have to give 3% of their income back down to the Middle and lower income classes, I'd be like hell yeah. Because it benefits me! You're happy about this because it benefits you! but it's not FAIR to burden others with costs, make college and health care more affordable and lets see what happens with that.
Reginald Noble
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This not sounding good. Reducing post-tax income by almost 10%?
Damn Bernie you done fukked it up. I'mma look this over but if it's true I'm gonna have to vote for Hilary feminism or not. Don't fukk with my money like that unless you reducing my student loan payment.
Damn Bernie you done fukked it up. I'mma look this over but if it's true I'm gonna have to vote for Hilary feminism or not. Don't fukk with my money like that unless you reducing my student loan payment.
64% on Capital gains ????????????????
I think you read something wrong, but only slightly.
The highest capital gains tax would be 62%, and that would only be paid by the top 0.1%.
It's not unprecedented. In the 1960s and 1970s, the top 0.01% paid over 70% in taxes.
Reginald Noble
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The difference is he's proposing the opposite of what he promised which was not to burden the middle class too much. I need to look into this more but it's way too much of an increase.
He's gonna sink the consumer economy. Don't know anyone that can afford to give up 8.5% of their disposable annual income and still get X-mas gifts for the kids.
Reginald Noble
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I feel you. His policies need more tweaking. Middle Class in NYC starts at $250k. In maybe 2-3 years I'll be at 1/2 of that. I am hoping he is not proposing an increase of 8.5% for those who make under that.
2/3 of the tax increases are being paid by the top 20%. This is the best deal we're going to get. When the shyt hits the fan because our debts are out of control and we go into austerity, you think the rich are going to just lay down and take it? Then the middle class is going to get hit with it three ways - with higher taxes AND lower incomes AND cut services. Bernie's the only one smart enough to try to actually address the issue when the economy is relatively strong and bargaining power is decent.
And you're acting like 8.5% is just coming off the top with nothing to show for it. That money is going straight to seriously reduced health care and education costs. Everyone but the richest is saving more than they're paying in the long run with this plan, and most in the short term.
And if you don't have any serious health care or education costs, then even in the short term you're looking with emotion, not logic. Everyone I know making 50+ grand a year has serious leeway unless they've been stupid getting themselves into debt (and I don't mean student debts - getting creative with student debt payback is the easiest thing in the world). Hell, I give away 30-40% of my income minimum every year, and been doing that since I graduated college. How the hell you think the people making 8.5% less than you get by?
What da fukk do you think "middle class" means then?
Brothers making $200k a year and claiming they ain't middle class.
Reginald Noble
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2/3 of the tax increases are being paid by the top 20%. This is the best deal we're going to get. When the shyt hits the fan because our debts are out of control and we go into austerity, you think the rich are going to just lay down and take it? Then the middle class is going to get hit with it three ways - with higher taxes AND lower incomes AND cut services. Bernie's the only one smart enough to try to actually address the issue when the economy is relatively strong and bargaining power is decent.
And you're acting like 8.5% is just coming off the top with nothing to show for it. That money is going straight to seriously reduced health care and education costs. Everyone but the richest is saving more than they're paying in the long run with this plan, and most in the short term.
And if you don't have any serious health care or education costs, then even in the short term you're looking with emotion, not logic. Everyone I know making 50+ grand a year has serious leeway unless they've been stupid getting themselves into debt (and I don't mean student debts - getting creative with student debt payback is the easiest thing in the world). Hell, I give away 30-40% of my income minimum every year, and been doing that since I graduated college. How the hell you think the people making 8.5% less than you get by?
What da fukk do you think "middle class" means then?
Brothers making $200k a year and claiming they ain't middle class.
$200k for an individual is barely "middle class" in NYC 5 boroughs. Many are still one paycheck away from being broke, some of it is their fault individually of course but they don't compare to the millionaires with capital gains funds obviously.
Now if we don't have healthcare premiums which take up about 8% of my income then yes - It's worth it. And if community college is 100% free and can get some of these thugs off the street and into school - OK. And if our bridges and tunnels starting to get fixed ASAP as well as the MTA's crumbling infrastructure (Albany claims we broke) again I'll tolerate the increase.
Now in regards to getting creative about student payback - What about private loans? Many high income individuals such as myself have private loans with few negotiation options. If Bernie can lower my payments on those - I'm all for paying more taxes. A lot of professionals such as Docs and Lawyers will be in a similar boat.
I'm not sure how much money you make and call me cheap, but government wasn't really helping me when I was coming up and so therefore I don't want to help them unless they helping me out. When it comes to Fiscal policy I believe that it's best to fund small business sectors, reduce taxes on individuals and increase taxes on big corporations to level the playing field for small business to innovate. Make the big boys pay a premium to be on top and encourage less M&As to keep competition high and the market efficient. The reason we are in this boat to begin with is a couple players got too big for their britches and got too powerful and had too much of an effect on the economy. This includes Freddie Mac - Sallie Mae split into Navient but they need to have a close eye kept on them. The market did it for them, since the job outlook depreciated automatically less students are qualifying for private loans especially with Citibank and Chase who I think have left that market. The SoFis and smaller guys are not gonna make up for that hole.
At the crux of this argument is the consumer strength. People need discretionary income and won't spend if they don't have it. It's Economics 101.