This is how it ends: Bernie proposes $15T tax increase, including increase on middle class

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How does this impact those of us who are not "low income" or those of us who have direct family who are not "low income" or has hopes of not being "low income"?

I see folks say shyt like "Voting for anyone but Bernie is c00nish" with the implication being that as a black person you're supposed to be low income and have worries about going through the criminal justice system.

Everyone votes in their own interests and outside of being black, Bernie economic policies impact those in my family and where I see myself in the future. Voting for someone who would cause tax increases on my income bracket and my family's income bracket is not in my best interest.

Also, again I don't believe in across the board free college, have my reservations about completely socialized health care, and am Meh about 15 dollar minimum wage.

Some of us are genuinely just not buying what Bernie is selling. Above is why members of my black family decided to vote against Bernie Sanders. :yeshrug:
 

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How does this impact those of us who are not "low income" or those of us who have direct family who are not "low income" or has hopes of not being "low income"?

I see folks say shyt like "Voting for anyone but Bernie is c00nish" with the implication being that as a black person you're supposed to be low income and have worries about going through the criminal justice system.

Everyone votes in their own interests and outside of being black, Bernie economic policies impact those in my family and where I see myself in the future. Voting for someone who would cause tax increases on my income bracket and my family's income bracket is not in my best interest.

Also, again I don't believe in across the board free college, have my reservations about completely socialized health care, and am Meh about 15 dollar minimum wage.

Some of us are genuinely just not buying what Bernie is selling. Above is why members of my black family decided to vote against Bernie Sanders. :yeshrug:

IF Bernie got what he wants passed, not that it would, people in the bottom 25-30% or so would get free college and healthcare. It would actually be free because those people largely don't pay taxes.

For everyone else, it doesn't really help.
 

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No they're not.

Greece has collapsed. Spain and Italy are almost there. France is at 0.3% GDP growth. Germany is at 0.1% GDP growth.

Europe is in decline.
Because of the BANKING system.. There's a lot of debt, because of OUR Bbanks, especially Goldman Sachs and Greece. They kept borrowing, to pay for everyone to sit on their asses, and actually tricked themselves that they had so much in assets. Then the chickens came home, but it was after the EU brought them in, cosigned by Goldman.
How Goldman Sachs Profited From the Greek Debt Crisis

So when 2008 hit, and wipe out the assets of many already weakened European countries, the Greek debt took a life onto its on. The banks don't want to forgive it for EU health, and the other countries don't want to pay it, because the PIIGS are hurting too. It's just a mess.

But NO ONE blames health care for it. That's just fukking asinine.
 

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Because of the BANKING system.. There's a lot of debt, because of OUR Bbanks, especially Goldman Sachs and Greece. They kept borrowing, to pay for everyone to sit on their asses, and actually tricked themselves that they had so much in assets. Then the chickens came home, but it was after the EU brought them in, cosigned by Goldman.
How Goldman Sachs Profited From the Greek Debt Crisis

So when 2008 hit, and wipe out the assets of many already weakened European countries, the Greek debt took a life onto its on. The banks don't want to forgive it for EU health, and the other countries don't want to pay it, because the PIIGS are hurting too. It's just a mess.

But NO ONE blames health care for it. That's just fukking asinine.

Greece spent more then it was taking in. That's why they crashed. Doesn't matter what they were spending it on.

IDK how Greece was handling healthcare exactly but if it was socialized and contributing to their debt, then yes it did contribute to their collapse.
 

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I don't care. He need a Bernie presidency, to get all these selfish c00ns in line. If it can help people that are just going to guilt me when I make it get there's so they can STFU about "being left behind because of slavery", then force Black people to pay more taxes.

Yeah, we always talk shyt, then when you get bared for going to the emergency room, because you don't have insurance or the Drs. office, you steadily running to a news camera to cry and tell the world who poor we are. fukk that shyt. You know you might have wanted to do it, or your parents. This is pay back. Time to sustain an economy.
 

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Greece spent more then it was taking in. That's why they crashed. Doesn't matter what they were spending it on.

IDK how Greece was handling healthcare exactly but if it was socialized and contributing to their debt, then yes it did contribute to their collapse.
So fukking disingenuous. Find a European nation that blames health care for their woes.
 

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I don't care. He need a Bernie presidency, to get all these selfish c00ns in line. If it can help people that are just going to guilt me when I make it get there's so they can STFU about "being left behind because of slavery", then force Black people to pay more taxes.

Yeah, we always talk shyt, then when you get bared for going to the emergency room, because you don't have insurance or the Drs. office, you steadily running to a news camera to cry and tell the world who poor we are. fukk that shyt. You know you might have wanted to do it, or your parents. This is pay back. Time to sustain an economy.

You could also just earn more money instead of taking other people's.
 

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You could also just earn more money instead of taking other people's.
It would have to be a universal thing. Let's not be ignorant on how this goes. We're the most begging race of people in America, but we also, on average don't want to contribute shyt when we get up past a certain point. Not going to work like that. We should be the first to buy in to help the economy....period.

But yeah, we want to cite history, when we're able to guilt someone into silence or a certain action to our advantage, but they can't cite how many of us were drains on the system in our comeup huh? Get the fukk out of here with all that.
 

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How does this impact those of us who are not "low income" or those of us who have direct family who are not "low income" or has hopes of not being "low income"?

I see folks say shyt like "Voting for anyone but Bernie is c00nish" with the implication being that as a black person you're supposed to be low income and have worries about going through the criminal justice system.

Everyone votes in their own interests and outside of being black, Bernie economic policies impact those in my family and where I see myself in the future. Voting for someone who would cause tax increases on my income bracket and my family's income bracket is not in my best interest.

Also, again I don't believe in across the board free college, have my reservations about completely socialized health care, and am Meh about 15 dollar minimum wage.

Some of us are genuinely just not buying what Bernie is selling. Above is why members of my black family decided to vote against Bernie Sanders. :yeshrug:

The DC establishment’s latest attack on Bernie Sanders’ tax plan has just been thoroughly debunked.

On Friday afternoon, the Tax Policy Center (TPC) — a project of centrist think tank Brookings Institution — published a thoroughly-flawed analysis of Bernie Sanders’ tax plan. The TPC claimed that by raising $15.3 trillion in new revenue over ten years to fund Sanders’ proposals for free public college, universal health care, paid family and medical leave, and millions of new infrastructure jobs, the overall income of the average American would drop by approximately 12 percent.

However, the analysis was fundamentally disingenuous, as it analyzes the tax increases in a vacuum and does not account for the tremendous amount of savings that would be realized by families using public health insurance and colleges. It also does not account for the overall economic benefit of 13 million new public sector jobs and the resulting flow of new money into the economy.

“We do not account for the effects of the new government programs on income,” TPC co-founder Leonard Burman toldPolitico, in a revealing quote buried thirteen paragraphs belowPolitico‘s misleading headline. “We’re not really experts on the spending component.”

Neither Politico nor the TPC bothered to compare Sanders’ new tax rates, which most adversely affect the richest 0.1 percent of Americans, with the amount of money families would save should Sanders’ proposals become reality.

Warren Gunnels, who serves as Sen. Sanders’ senior policy adviser, pointed out in a scathing press release that had the TPC bothered to do the comparative math, they would have found that an overwhelming majority would have more money in their pockets under Sanders’ proposals, not less. Gunnels pointed to a study by the nonpartisan think tank Citizens for Tax Justice (CTJ), which compared the new taxes to fund Sanders’ health care plan with the money families would save under a hypothetical single-payer health care system in the US.

“The analysis from Citizens for Tax Justice found that 95 percent of American households will see their take-home pay go up, not down, under Sanders’ Medicare-for-all plan, which is paid for by his progressive tax plan,” Gunnels said. “Citizens for Tax Justice also found that middle-class families would see their take-home pay go up by more than $3,200 a year under Sanders’ plan.

According to CTJ’s analysis, everyone but the richest 5 percent of Americans would end up with a higher after-tax income under a single-payer health care system. CTJ arrived at their numerical conclusions using a microsimulation model from the Institution on Taxation and Economic Policy:



CTJ explained that, after doing a side-by-side comparison with Sanders’ tax plan and the money saved from single-payer health care, it was clear both workers and businesses would save money.

“The reason that Sanders’ plan increases average after-tax incomes for all but the highest-income groups, even as it substantially increases tax revenues, is that the plan would replace employer-provided health care with universal health insurance for all Americans,” CTJ wrote. “Thus, workers would get comprehensive health insurance in addition to higher wages.”

Gunnels continued to tear apart the TPC’s flawed analysis by pointing out that the economists ignored the significant economic boost of 13 million new public sector jobs, all of the money Americans would keep by not having to pay for public college tuition, and Sanders’ proposal to expand Social Security, which would leave retirees with more after-tax income.


“Sanders has a plan to create and maintain at least 13 million jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. It is widely accepted among many economists that rebuilding roads, bridges, drinking water facilities, airports and other infrastructure needs creates jobs for Americans in the short-term while allowing commerce to flow more smoothly in the long-term, a win-win for prosperity in the U.S. The Tax Policy Center did not look at that.

“Sanders has a plan to make public colleges and universities tuition free that would save the typical middle class family $9,400 a year. Creating a workforce that is more educated and less bogged down in student debt would benefit the economy immensely. The Tax Policy Center did not look at that.

“Sanders’ has a plan to extend and expand Social Security boosting the income of senior citizens by an average of about $1,600 a year. The Tax Policy Center did not look at Bernie’s plan to expand Social Security.

Read Gunnels’ full statement debunking the study here.
 

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The DC establishment’s latest attack on Bernie Sanders’ tax plan has just been thoroughly debunked.

On Friday afternoon, the Tax Policy Center (TPC) — a project of centrist think tank Brookings Institution — published a thoroughly-flawed analysis of Bernie Sanders’ tax plan. The TPC claimed that by raising $15.3 trillion in new revenue over ten years to fund Sanders’ proposals for free public college, universal health care, paid family and medical leave, and millions of new infrastructure jobs, the overall income of the average American would drop by approximately 12 percent.

However, the analysis was fundamentally disingenuous, as it analyzes the tax increases in a vacuum and does not account for the tremendous amount of savings that would be realized by families using public health insurance and colleges. It also does not account for the overall economic benefit of 13 million new public sector jobs and the resulting flow of new money into the economy.

“We do not account for the effects of the new government programs on income,” TPC co-founder Leonard Burman toldPolitico, in a revealing quote buried thirteen paragraphs belowPolitico‘s misleading headline. “We’re not really experts on the spending component.”

Neither Politico nor the TPC bothered to compare Sanders’ new tax rates, which most adversely affect the richest 0.1 percent of Americans, with the amount of money families would save should Sanders’ proposals become reality.

Warren Gunnels, who serves as Sen. Sanders’ senior policy adviser, pointed out in a scathing press release that had the TPC bothered to do the comparative math, they would have found that an overwhelming majority would have more money in their pockets under Sanders’ proposals, not less. Gunnels pointed to a study by the nonpartisan think tank Citizens for Tax Justice (CTJ), which compared the new taxes to fund Sanders’ health care plan with the money families would save under a hypothetical single-payer health care system in the US.

“The analysis from Citizens for Tax Justice found that 95 percent of American households will see their take-home pay go up, not down, under Sanders’ Medicare-for-all plan, which is paid for by his progressive tax plan,” Gunnels said. “Citizens for Tax Justice also found that middle-class families would see their take-home pay go up by more than $3,200 a year under Sanders’ plan.

According to CTJ’s analysis, everyone but the richest 5 percent of Americans would end up with a higher after-tax income under a single-payer health care system. CTJ arrived at their numerical conclusions using a microsimulation model from the Institution on Taxation and Economic Policy:



CTJ explained that, after doing a side-by-side comparison with Sanders’ tax plan and the money saved from single-payer health care, it was clear both workers and businesses would save money.

“The reason that Sanders’ plan increases average after-tax incomes for all but the highest-income groups, even as it substantially increases tax revenues, is that the plan would replace employer-provided health care with universal health insurance for all Americans,” CTJ wrote. “Thus, workers would get comprehensive health insurance in addition to higher wages.”

Gunnels continued to tear apart the TPC’s flawed analysis by pointing out that the economists ignored the significant economic boost of 13 million new public sector jobs, all of the money Americans would keep by not having to pay for public college tuition, and Sanders’ proposal to expand Social Security, which would leave retirees with more after-tax income.


“Sanders has a plan to create and maintain at least 13 million jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. It is widely accepted among many economists that rebuilding roads, bridges, drinking water facilities, airports and other infrastructure needs creates jobs for Americans in the short-term while allowing commerce to flow more smoothly in the long-term, a win-win for prosperity in the U.S. The Tax Policy Center did not look at that.

“Sanders has a plan to make public colleges and universities tuition free that would save the typical middle class family $9,400 a year. Creating a workforce that is more educated and less bogged down in student debt would benefit the economy immensely. The Tax Policy Center did not look at that.

“Sanders’ has a plan to extend and expand Social Security boosting the income of senior citizens by an average of about $1,600 a year. The Tax Policy Center did not look at Bernie’s plan to expand Social Security.

Read Gunnels’ full statement debunking the study here.
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The same people who brought us neo-liberal, trickle down economics are the same people who will fight Sanders plan.

But mark my words brehs, in the next election cycle whether it is the midterms or 2020, these type of policies will start to become much more talked about and this movement Sanders is building upon isn't going to go away any time soon.

And if the economy crashes again, people will be very receptive to these policies as the Masters of the Universe on Wall Street do a repeat of 2008
 

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The same people who brought us neo-liberal, trickle down economics are the same people who will fight Sanders plan.

But mark my words brehs, in the next election cycle whether it is the midterms or 2020, these type of policies will start to become much more talked about and this movement Sanders is building upon isn't going to go away any time soon.

And if the economy crashes again, people will be very receptive to these policies as the Masters of the Universe on Wall Street do a repeat of 2008
We're headed for that wall sooner rather than later. I'm already advancing my life as much as possible so it doesn't affect me that hard.
 
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