Tidal Keeps Sinking: Beyoncé And Rihanna Can’t Save ‘Biggest Disaster In Music History’ Read mor

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why would I pay for crack at a higher price less potent just because the person who sold it to me is the same color and wear the same clothes as me and also who give his crew a bigger percentage how is that helping me :mindblown: the consumers telling jay nall bro im good ima keep getting crack from my same connect who I know aint the feds and I know got that a1 yola :camby: for cheaper
 

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It was not a good post. @Data-Hawk had truth sprinkled with a bunch of other unrelated stuff. I always hate when guys like that post because he's a smart cat (despite the fact that I disagree with him on a lot of things), but he allows other people who blindly hate to cling onto him for legitimacy. 98% of Tidal haters on here could not have articulated or pointed to what he said. Furthermore, why would people be defending Tidal the service in here when the argument is about the coverage of the service. People like @Malta are missing the entire point and that was in my first post in the thread.
Aside from that, Tidal has laid out what it does a bunch of times, but people in the media do not care. They're still telling you it costs 20 dollars per month. Have you noticed that very artist besides random euro bands has said Tidal is a good idea, but they don't know if it will work?

edit: I just read your post and my reply below doesn't really respond to what you just said........But I typed it up , so I'mma leave it:pachaha:



The only thing I remember from Tidal advertising is this:


From the commercial - ( 20s mark ) "Group of people being able to get together and make a stand", WTF? why would that interest me in any way, am i suppose to feel sorry for them? All of you are already millionaires, what exactly are you standing up against? That's what alot of people felt( Right or Wrong ), it's like Bill Gates complaining about taxes, even if he's paying 2 billion a year in taxes none of us are going to feel sorry for him. Now here's the thing, You can't say "Data-Hawk you're wrong" weather they meant that or not, me and alot of other consumers took it that way. So we are in the right. LOL.

As a consumer it's not my job to go looking for what they "REALLY" meant, that's their problem.It's up to them to come back with a different message and make us believe different.

I would like to also bring up the EGO of these musicians, at the 50 second mark, Beyonce says "If our fans can see that its from us, it's done!" , again they are banking on their star power only as a reason for us to support them. A song is a song, what difference does it make to the average consumer where it came from? It only needs to be easily accessible.


at the 9 second mark Jay-z says " Change the course of history" , How will this change things for "me" Hov? What will you do that is so different? As a consumer I shouldn't have to research what you meant.

40 second mark Jay-z says - " I think it's one of the things that sets us aside from someone that's a tech company" really? last I check technology is the main force behind this and the only thing I've seen so far that could be different is the high quality version which is driven by somebody who came up with an effective algorithm, not you.


1:20 second Madonna says - "Its about putting art back to the forefront, it's about bringing humanity back to being an artist".....wtf does that even mean to somebody whose just trying to listen to a song while they do another activity? This sounds like they want us to donate to a save the dolphins charity.:snoop: . Look at the environment of the commercial, looks like a country club or some event where only rich people with elite attitudes can attend, am i lying?:heh:


Now here's the really funny thing, I'm actually looking "out" for his product more than most of these posters. Yes we should support black businesses, but at the same time you should also be critical of them and say what's working( I think they Concert helped ) and what's not, So they can come back with a better product and better message. Me being a hater or not wanting to support a black business would be me saying "This sucks" and never looking at it again. It's owned by a black man, but I'm sure he wants a diverse customer base, He doesn't want just "black" customers who will blindly support him just because they share the same skin color. So somebody bringing up what's wrong with the product is not a c00n or a sell-out. It's constructive criticism ( at least on my part ). If somebody made this same post and put Mark Zuckerberg in the article, I would go :yeshrug:.


Let me drop this off here to show how much hate Billy use to get back in the day:
 

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The emotions invested into the man Jay-Z is outright hilarious to me. :laugh:

This cat is no freedom fighter. He is a rapper turned business man who is, IMO, showing why he is more the leach he is rumored to be rather than the ingenious business man he labels himself as.

He knew putting his face in front of Tidal had huge risk/rewards components to it.

He knew he was essentially hopping into an established and cpompetitive field with a redundant business model.

And he knew the 'competition' wouldn't sit back and allow him to take market share based on all of this.

So why the faux outrage from Jay-Z and his fans?

IMO, Jay-Z banked more on his name brand than the actual product he was pitching.

He tried and is failing.

The reason Tidal is becoming a lost cause and not just a young, maturing start up is because from a true innovation standpoint, Jay-Z is no more invested into this product than the average consumer. You can tell his intent was to make an immediate splash and probably sell it 12-18 months with huge profit margains.

Now he'll still sell in 12-18 months, but instead of smelling like roses like he wanted, his busness brand will have taken a substantial hit.

Oh well...
 

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I used Tidal it was ok still needed some work. At first I thought some of the slander was funny but now this is getting ridiculous. It's obviously just companys trying to fight off competition. It's getting out of hand but I think once Beats re launches it'll help take the heat off of Tidal. All this shyt will blow over an Tidal will be alright. Smaller services aren't getting attacked cause they don't and didn't receive as much press. Tidal used publicity and fame to get hot so now the competition is trying to turn that publicity against them.
 

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edit: I just read your post and my reply below doesn't really respond to what you just



Let me drop this off here to show how much hate Billy use to get back in the day:

Make no mistake, they messed up with the initial roll out. But they could have run that same commercial and not done the TIdal4All shyt and they would have not gotten as much criticism. They could have left that there and everyone would have been, what is it? The backlash was to the fact that people thought it was a charity and then the actual awkward roll out. After that, I was like :patrice:

But then, it never ended wiht the complaints out it and hit piece after hit piece. I had never seen anything like it in recent times. I had seen bad roll out like Xbox360 but eventually people got over it. But what annoys me as a progressive, is the fake caring nonsense. All of a sudden people care about how much someone makes when judging a product. Believe it or not, TIdal planned to keep having roll out like that initial one for every single new thing, and that was how they were going to compete without the financial backing of spotify and beats. They were banking on their star power convincing you to give them a try in the absent of a bankroll. And why wouldn't they? Dr. Dre convinced people to buy mid-tier Beats headphones for no reason. The point is, the ire people are showing for these people is unprecedented. They are getting more hate than the Papa John's dude who said he had to cut people for Obamacare while he was sitting on 550 million and living in a castle surrounded by a moat. At some point you move on, but people won't with TIdal. Even with the latest Tidal review where the service was given a 4.5 out of 5 stars. The final points were:

Verdict
We really love Tidal. And while seeing Jay Z and his mates at the helm is almost as hard as watching Joffrey Lannister terrorise the citizens of King's Landing, it's really no reason to not give it a shot. The sound quality is truly excellent and the apps are largely very easy to use.

The price is clearly the barrier to entry but we reckon if you're a fan of sound quality, the free trial might be enough to persuade you that it's worth the cost.
It's been 2 months since the shyt launched and every statement about it is like that. This is one of the kinder ones. I have just never seen a sustained effort like this. I mean, what is the last time you read the Inqustr?
 

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The emotions invested into the man Jay-Z is outright hilarious to me. :laugh:

This cat is no freedom fighter. He is a rapper turned business man who is, IMO, showing why he is more the leach he is rumored to be rather than the ingenious business man he labels himself as.

He knew putting his face in front of Tidal had huge risk/rewards components to it.

He knew he was essentially hopping into an established and cpompetitive field with a redundant business model.

And he knew the 'competition' wouldn't sit back and allow him to take market share based on all of this.

So why the faux outrage from Jay-Z and his fans?

IMO, Jay-Z banked more on his name brand than the actual product he was pitching.

He tried and is failing.

The reason Tidal is becoming a lost cause and not just a young, maturing start up is because from a true innovation standpoint, Jay-Z is no more invested into this product than the average consumer. You can tell his intent was to make an immediate splash and probably sell it 12-18 months with huge profit margains.

Now he'll still sell in 12-18 months, but instead of smelling like roses like he wanted, his busness brand will have taken a substantial hit.

Oh well...


I feel some of this analysis. Jay is a renowned bragger. He def would have been writing raps about all this success and throwing it in peoples faces if it was doing well..

Now he's pulling out all the stops....concerts, tickets to made in america concert, beyonce and nicki minaj video, rhianna single and having his head P.R person "leak" that he has contributed to bailing out some protestors, and a freestyle aimed at people seeing him as a "black rebel" going against the system and you should support whatever product he puts out becuz he black like you.

Can't say he isn't trying and I can't say that I give a fukk. I don't need the service. Come up with a phone that does what the iphone does and load it with exclusive albums and concerts and you have an argument. It all boils down to product. fukk outta here with this whoa is me shyt fam. He the same dude thats gonna be shytting on you broke nikkas the next album whether you support him or not.:mjlol:
 

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You keep saying that as if it's a valid point. It's fukking GOOGLE. ITS GOOGLE.





















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GOOGLE.

If they don't smear Google, it's because they are GOOGLE. apple,Google, Walmart, Samsung to an extent do what they want, when they want, they are the market. They will shyt on small time start up companies and competitors.

So you have a problem with jayz but not Google? Doing the same thing?
 

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I can't stand Jay, but no black person should be rooting for a black person's business to fail unless it's directly harming the black community.

Black entrenpeurship, black economics, and black support of the two is CRUCIAL for our progression in a world that's fiercely loyal to white supremacy.

So let's not take too much glee in wanting Jay-Z to fail when these cacs who own spotify and pandora in all likelihood are white supremacists who see us as nothing but animals: cash cows, race horses, and savage pit bulls.

You left out the part where Black money has to circulate back in the Black community. How the fukk does Black entrepreneurship or Black support of businesses like Tidal help the Black community when none of that money is actually... You know... Going back into the Black community? Just because Black people own something doesn't mean the resources aren't going back into the pockets of cacs. What was the last Black owned ANYTHING (not named 'Tidal') shouted out by Jay-Z and Beyonce? Pretty sure they only push cac products in their songs and videos, they only wear clothing and shoes created by cacs, they hire cacs to work for them, they live in a cac neighborhood... Is any of that not harmful to the Black community? You want us to support Tidal because it's *good* for the Black community? How about we discuss how the money used to buy Tidal could have opened FIVE HUNDRED AND SIXTY Black owned grocery stores in the U.S. ($56 million divided by the average $100,000 startup costs for a grocery store.) Hell, they could probably have BOUGHT a media outlet with some of that money and wrote their OWN articles about Tidal on their BLACK OWNED MEDIA SERVICE. What was even the point of this streaming venture?! How does this help the Black community at ALL, if that's going to be your excuse?

Y'all are just pretending to be pro-Black at this point because you don't want your fav to fail at something.
 

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This is from the outside looking in since I'm not anywhere near a "stan" of the man nor do I have any hate for him

Jay should've did like cam does with his investments and not attach himself to it, there was too many negatives and he got too cocky with it. Shouldve just had it promoted as a higher quality streaming service and focus on that or whatever else. I didn't know this nikka had this many people invested in hating on him until I came to this site honestly.

And as far as people trying to say this isn't a racial thing, directly that may or may not be true. shyt I don't know but I do know that theres an overwhelming amount of people who don't support anything that a black man or a rapper does and I'm sure those numbers would be a lot better if his name wasn't so synonymous with tidal. Most people don't even pay over $20 for a decent pair of head phones so he needed to market this to the consumer base who would pay for it, not the average pop fan who listens to shytty cell phone ear buds.

And google play is a fukking terrible app on phones and that's where most people listen to music from so I doubt tidal could be worse than that but I don't know
 

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And I agree that the media smear campaign is absurd, but there are lots of reasons why Tidal is flopping hard, from the rollout (atrociously pretentious) to the price for a service people already have (they didn't even TRY to make the price comparable to already established streaming services that people have grown accustomed to using for YEARS) to the shytty marketing scheme as it being something 'historic' and 'revolutionary' (wut), to Jay-Z compacting his errors by going on an extremely unlikeable rant on Twitter and somehow trying to tie his service's failure to racism, Mike Brown, and Freddie Gray (which was GROSS and disgusting and most likely something he read on message boards like this one)... The mistakes go on and on. A whole lot of stans in here are refusing to see this logically.

I also love how when celebs refuse to support Black people, the excuse is, 'They don't have to support just because they're Black! They're celebs, not activists!'

But when Black people refuse to support these celebs, it becomes, 'You should support because they're Black! Y'all are racist and want to see another Black man fail! I thought y'all were ACTIVISTS.'

:camby:
 

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I'll believe its dead when its no longer supported it hasnt even been out very long.

I only subbed cause it was black owned
 
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