Tiffany Haddish asks "What happened to Canibus?"

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Canibus had next back in 97-98.

The LL "battle" was whatever. He was never going to dethrone L. L's legacy is too crazy for that. But he made some really bad business moves back then. The first being, letting Clef handle his career early on. He built a really dope following via mixtapes and features and had the streets on fire. With so many people trying to get him looks and signed, he had a lot of better options that he could've run with, that would've set him up nicely. Choosing to go with a label that didn't really have a true Hip Hop division and letting another rapper be his manager really killed his momentum.

And then having Jerry Wonda at the helm for his production, on his debut, was probably the dumbest shyt ever. Especially during a time when all of the greats were try’na work with him. He invested his whole shyt into Wyclef's camp and they dropped the ball. He was never able to bounce back from that. They didn't know what to do with him, so it was kinda like dude wasted his career by trusting in the wrong people.
Signing with Clef was smart, Wyclef just fumbled the project.

Carnival era Clef was a superstar, and being affiliated with him and appearing on his songs doing features got Canibus known to a huge audience.

Clef spoiled the project by not knowing how to A&R and thinking that the Booga Basement sound suited a dude who was spitting hot lava lyrics. I would have signed him and used my clout as a superstar to keep him getting features on songs that I produced.
 

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Signing with Clef was smart, Wyclef just fumbled the project.

Carnival era Clef was a superstar, and being affiliated with him and appearing on his songs doing features got Canibus known to a huge audience.

Clef spoiled the project by not knowing how to A&R and thinking that the Booga Basement sound suited a dude who was spitting hot lava lyrics. I would have signed him and used my clout as a superstar to keep him getting features on songs that I produced.


Has any other dude ascending before his debut ever been nuked like that as far as production goes? I couldn’t believe how bad the elevate were.
 

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Has any other dude ascending before his debut ever been nuked like that as far as production goes? I couldn’t believe how bad the elevate were.

The only equivalent I can think of is actually a woman... Monie Love.

She still made a couple hits when she debuted... but considering the people she had around her and the fact that she could rhyme her ass off and rocked every song she had appeared on... she should have at least one classic album to speak of. Instead, she had two bad albums. Just like Canibus, she was surrounded by a bunch of dope MFs- De La Soul and Prince Paul, Tribe, Latifah, Jungle Bros., etc. But Warner Bros. signed her and wanted to R&B her to death, so that's what we got.
 

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Signing with Clef was smart, Wyclef just fumbled the project.

Carnival era Clef was a superstar, and being affiliated with him and appearing on his songs doing features got Canibus known to a huge audience.

Clef spoiled the project by not knowing how to A&R and thinking that the Booga Basement sound suited a dude who was spitting hot lava lyrics. I would have signed him and used my clout as a superstar to keep him getting features on songs that I produced.

Nah, he was doing a ton of features with mad artists way before he connected with Clef, as well as a lot of mixtape shyt with Clue and Flex. He should've signed with Def Jam. They were lobbying hard for him in 97. They had him on their promo mixtapes and all that. There was so much hype about him going up there, and he decided to go with Clef and sign for a much smaller budget with little to no promotion. Def Jam was rebuilding the roster around this time, and putting a lot of money behind their artists. They brought in DMX and pushed Redman to his first platinum album during this run. LL was selling more records again, and they were putting a lot of money behind Onyx's third album and also signed Ja Rule, gave Roc-a-fella a label deal and also pushed Jay to his highest selling album. Then they got a distribution deal and sold the company, which led to the Survival of the Illest tour. Every act that the label had on there saw their sales hit a million plus. This was why Canibus said he was supposed to be on that tour. He passed on Def Jam and went with Clef, and lost out on a lot more exposure and moves that would've helped him get out to a lot more people. It was a much better fit for him. That's why Lyor and them wanted him on "4, 3, 2, 1". They were trying to set him and X up as the next generation of the label.

Fredro said he tried to sign him too, when Canibus had a battle outside of The Tunnel with X-1. He said Bis told him that he was going to fukk with Clef. He was mad loyal to that dude. And when the album came up short, Clef vanished on him, lol. Dude wasn't even around for the second album just a couple years later. That relationship ended right after the album dropped. He was blaming Clef for the album's reviews and all that. But when Universal found out that he was beefing with Clef, they killed his budget for the second album, so it flew under the radar. That whole move to sign with them came from Clef. Those were his people. So that relationship with him is really what killed this guy's career. He's spoken on it before. He should've stuck with Def Jam. He would've had way more success under that umbrella. Especially during that run they had in the late 90's. That would've been perfect timing for him.
 

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since she's doing music, they should collab and shoot a video

it would have infinite comedic potential because...Canibus, Tiffany is a comic and they both look alike right now :troll:

Canibus could use that new clout to revive his career

not even joking, this would be dope :lupe:
 

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To wack ass Dizaster of all people, too...:upsetfavre:

I still want to know what happened. Allegedly, he fukked up his arm and was on pain pills, but damn...I was hoping he would write some Clue freestyle type shyt and wash him :snoop:



Two of my all time favorites :francis:
That alien shyt was fake. He got fukked up by border patrol and then locked up days before the battle. He was doing shows in Toronto.
 

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nah the airstrike shyt isn't like the LL/bis shyt...but it is :mjlol:...bis fukking nuts.


I still fukk with Bis heavy but he's done mad questionable shyt....remember when he dissed primo? Just cause Primo said Bis passed on the Devil's Pie beat....like:gucci:, why the fukk are you dissing him for telling that fact? Preme wasn't even disrespectful or anything, he just said Bis passed on that shyt.
That had nothing to do with it. Preemo said some random shyt about bus being unprofessional. Bus felt slighted, and spoke up about it.
 

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That had nothing to do with it. Preemo said some random shyt about bus being unprofessional. Bus felt slighted, and spoke up about it.

I'm certain this was the clip Bis got offended by



what part of it was Preme disrespectful?

I blame Vlad more than Preme...vlad's the one who inserted the difficult people part. Prim said a minor run in, explained what happened.

then his reaction to the diss



i love bis, but he be crazy sometimes.
 

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Canibus had next back in 97-98.

The LL "battle" was whatever. He was never going to dethrone L. L's legacy is too crazy for that. But he made some really bad business moves back then. The first being, letting Clef handle his career early on. He built a really dope following via mixtapes and features and had the streets on fire. With so many people trying to get him looks and signed, he had a lot of better options that he could've run with, that would've set him up nicely. Choosing to go with a label that didn't really have a true Hip Hop division and letting another rapper be his manager really killed his momentum.

And then having Jerry Wonda at the helm for his production, on his debut, was probably the dumbest shyt ever. Especially during a time when all of the greats were try’na work with him. He invested his whole shyt into Wyclef's camp and they dropped the ball. He was never able to bounce back from that. They didn't know what to do with him, so it was kinda like dude wasted his career by trusting in the wrong people.
Tragic how he never had nothing from any of the top producers of his era, when he floated on their beats in freestyles...
I thought Bis connecting with RZA for at least 1 track would have been a no brainer when he first came out. I even think the Bobby Digital production would have been a good fit for him and his spaced out style. Bis was a better version of L.A. killer bee Holocaust

I've never even gotten all the way through the first album. I liked 2000 B.C. when it came out, but listened to it about a week ago for the first time in years and struggled with that. Them beats aged terribly
 
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