Tiffany Haddish asks "What happened to Canibus?"

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Nah, he was doing a ton of features with mad artists way before he connected with Clef, as well as a lot of mixtape shyt with Clue and Flex. He should've signed with Def Jam. They were lobbying hard for him in 97. They had him on their promo mixtapes and all that. There was so much hype about him going up there, and he decided to go with Clef and sign for a much smaller budget with little to no promotion. Def Jam was rebuilding the roster around this time, and putting a lot of money behind their artists. They brought in DMX and pushed Redman to his first platinum album during this run. LL was selling more records again, and they were putting a lot of money behind Onyx's third album and also signed Ja Rule, gave Roc-a-fella a label deal and also pushed Jay to his highest selling album. Then they got a distribution deal and sold the company, which led to the Survival of the Illest tour. Every act that the label had on there saw their sales hit a million plus. This was why Canibus said he was supposed to be on that tour. He passed on Def Jam and went with Clef, and lost out on a lot more exposure and moves that would've helped him get out to a lot more people. It was a much better fit for him. That's why Lyor and them wanted him on "4, 3, 2, 1". They were trying to set him and X up as the next generation of the label.

Fredro said he tried to sign him too, when Canibus had a battle outside of The Tunnel with X-1. He said Bis told him that he was going to fukk with Clef. He was mad loyal to that dude. And when the album came up short, Clef vanished on him, lol. Dude wasn't even around for the second album just a couple years later. That relationship ended right after the album dropped. He was blaming Clef for the album's reviews and all that. But when Universal found out that he was beefing with Clef, they killed his budget for the second album, so it flew under the radar. That whole move to sign with them came from Clef. Those were his people. So that relationship with him is really what killed this guy's career. He's spoken on it before. He should've stuck with Def Jam. He would've had way more success under that umbrella. Especially during that run they had in the late 90's. That would've been perfect timing for him.
How was Def Jam bidding for him when he ethered the artist who had been the foundation of their success?

They had to use their industry muscle to rescue LL's reputation and career. Including paying FMF to gas it up like LL didn't get bodied.

Fugees were international superstars at that point to where even trash ass Pras had an album and a Hollywood film that he was the star of .

Clef toured internationally and more people saw Canibus coming out during Clef's show than if he was the opening act on Survival of the Illest.
 

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How was Def Jam bidding for him when he ethered the artist who had been the foundation of their success?

They had to use their industry muscle to rescue LL's reputation and career. Including paying FMF to gas it up like LL didn't get bodied.

Fugees were international superstars at that point to where even trash ass Pras had an album and a Hollywood film that he was the star of .

Clef toured internationally and more people saw Canibus coming out during Clef's show than if he was the opening act on Survival of the Illest.

He was on the record before they started beefing. LL was the one who initiated everything and changed his verse to diss Canibus. He did that after Bis declined to sign with Def Jam. But it didn't matter, because DMX didn't like L either, but there was no way that Def Jam was going to let him go without signing him. Meth and Red had an interview talking about how X refused to even speak to L at the video shoot for the track. No one cares about that, Def Jam wanted to sell records, not have dudes being friends.

The Fugees were superstars, but they weren't executives. John Forte's album was promoted with Fugees-related shyt all over it, he was on the same label as them, and was also featured on The Score and did production on it. And he couldn't sell a record to save his life. Being affiliated with a successful MC or group doesn't mean that that same success will transition over to you. You have to get with companies that know how to market and promote. Not rappers who did well in their own right. That doesn't mean they can make the same happen for you. Look at the Flipmode artists. Busta couldn't get anyone to sell, and he was platinum.

Survival of the Illest was extended and rebranded by Def Jam into the Hard Knock Life Tour, and was the second highest-grossing Hip Hop tour of the 90's. They shot a whole movie for it too, and every artist was paid a percentage of what the documentary sold. They sold more tickets than Puff did with his No Way Out tour. And Puff was on top back then. The only tour that grossed more was Hammer's tour with Vanilla Ice and En Vogue back in like '91, and that's because they did like 140 shows or some shyt. This is like a 3-4 year run that these Def Jam artists saw their careers at their very best, in sales. None of them went on to sell more than they did during that run. And that's due to them having the whole building behind them and pushing those albums to the people heavily. Bis was never going to get that kinda exposure fukking with no damn Wyclef, lol.
 

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How was Def Jam bidding for him when he ethered the artist who had been the foundation of their success?

They had to use their industry muscle to rescue LL's reputation and career. Including paying FMF to gas it up like LL didn't get bodied.

Fugees were international superstars at that point to where even trash ass Pras had an album and a Hollywood film that he was the star of .

Clef toured internationally and more people saw Canibus coming out during Clef's show than if he was the opening act on Survival of the Illest.
Canibus dissed ll in 98 not 97

In 97 he worked with LL
 

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I can't agree that Wyclef ruined Bis' career. Even if you put Canibus with Premo, he still wasn't guaranteed to blow up. it might've made for better music. Big Punisher was an incredible lyricist who blew and was making noise around the time Bis was and his album was mostly produced by producers who weren't huge. Yeah he had a RZA beat, but for the most part, Big Punisher blew because he had songs. It was genius because he had "I'm Not A Player" which was rugged and more street in spite of the O'Jays sample. Then he came with a far more commercial song in "Still Not A Player", but he didn't compromise the showcase of skill.
 

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The LL diss had nothing to do with Canibus signing or not signing with Def Jam.
LL is notorious for getting at people over real or imagined disses. He threw a shot at EPMD on a collabo on THEIR song "Go Head Baby"

LL took exception to "yo L, is that a Mic on your arm? Let me borrow that" line from Canibus' original verse on the song.

Fugees at the time sold more units of 2nd album than perhaps any Def Jam artist had for an album. Clef played at Radio City Music Hall and other venues and platforms that only Hammer level acts had done.
Again, coming out to do his features during Clef's international shows would expose Canibus to more people than opening on major hip hop tour and performing in half empty venues(people still filing in until the headliners take the stage)

Again, Wyclef dropped the ball for an eagerly anticipated artist.
 

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The LL diss had nothing to do with Canibus signing or not signing with Def Jam.
LL is notorious for getting at people over real or imagined disses. He threw a shot at EPMD on a collabo on THEIR song "Go Head Baby"

LL took exception to "yo L, is that a Mic on your arm? Let me borrow that" line from Canibus' original verse on the song.

Fugees at the time sold more units of 2nd album than perhaps any Def Jam artist had for an album. Clef played at Radio City Music Hall and other venues and platforms that only Hammer level acts had done.
Again, coming out to do his features during Clef's international shows would expose Canibus to more people than opening on major hip hop tour and performing in half empty venues(people still filing in until the headliners take the stage)

Again, Wyclef dropped the ball for an eagerly anticipated artist.

Canibus wasn't in the Fugees though. All of that success came for them a couple years before his album even dropped. He wasn't going to be able to eat off of what they did in '96. He's not Lauryn or Clef. They were household names, he wasn't.

Dude literally passed on a deal with a label that pushed every single act they dropped over the next 2-3 years to platinum and critical acclaim, via touring and huge marketing campaigns during a time when Def Jam's pockets were super heavy. They were giving out million dollar bonuses just to get X to record another album in a couple of months. Dude had two separate #1 albums within the same year! You don’t get that without a label that knows how to market and promote. Which is why you don’t sign with rappers. You sign with companies that have a history of pushing artists to peak levels. Wyclef is not a proven executive. Had he been, that album would've succeeded and he and Bis wouldn't have been beefing immediately after it dropped. That's why Bis had that line, "I apologize for it. I can't call it, motherfukking Wyclef spoiled it." Clef couldn't get Universal to promote the album, which is what he promised Bis he'd do.
 
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I can't agree that Wyclef ruined Bis' career. Even if you put Canibus with Premo, he still wasn't guaranteed to blow up. it might've made for better music. Big Punisher was an incredible lyricist who blew and was making noise around the time Bis was and his album was mostly produced by producers who weren't huge. Yeah he had a RZA beat, but for the most part, Big Punisher blew because he had songs. It was genius because he had "I'm Not A Player" which was rugged and more street in spite of the O'Jays sample. Then he came with a far more commercial song in "Still Not A Player", but he didn't compromise the showcase of skill.
I thought Joe spoke on still not a player being made because the original didn't hit the way it was supposed to.
 

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Canibus wasn't in the Fugees though. All of that success came for them a couple years before his album even dropped. He wasn't going to be able to eat off of what they did in '96. He's not Lauryn or Clef. They were household names, he wasn't.

Dude literally passed on a deal with a label that pushed every single act they dropped over the next 2-3 years to platinum and critical acclaim, via touring and huge marketing campaigns during a time when Def Jam's pockets were super heavy. They were giving out million dollar bonuses just to get X to record another album in a couple of months. Dude had a two separate #1 albums within the same year! You don’t get that without a label that knows how to market and promote. Which is why you don’t sign with rappers. You sign with companies that have a history of pushing artists to peak levels. Wyclef is not a proven executive. Had he been, that album would've succeeded and he and Bis wouldn't have been beefing immediately after it dropped. That's why Bis had that line, "I apologize for it. I can't call it, motherfukking Wyclef spoiled it." Clef couldn't get Universal to promote the album, which is what he promised Bis he'd do.
You believe what LL said on "back where I belong"?
 

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Canibus wasn't in the Fugees though. All of that success came for them a couple years before his album even dropped. He wasn't going to be able to eat off of what they did in '96. He's not Lauryn or Clef. They were household names, he wasn't.

Dude literally passed on a deal with a label that pushed every single act they dropped over the next 2-3 years to platinum and critical acclaim, via touring and huge marketing campaigns during a time when Def Jam's pockets were super heavy. They were giving out million dollar bonuses just to get X to record another album in a couple of months. Dude had a two separate #1 albums within the same year! You don’t get that without a label that knows how to market and promote. Which is why you don’t sign with rappers. You sign with companies that have a history of pushing artists to peak levels. Wyclef is not a proven executive. Had he been, that album would've succeeded and he and Bis wouldn't have been beefing immediately after it dropped. That's why Bis had that line, "I apologize for it. I can't call it, motherfukking Wyclef spoiled it." Clef couldn't get Universal to promote the album, which is what he promised Bis he'd do.

In the words of Dead Prez

, artists don't go platinum, record companies go platinum
artists are lucky if anything comes back to them


Canibus signed to an international superstar on a label where he was supposed to be a priority as a rap artist. That didn't seem like a bad decision at the time. The anticipation was there, the battle with LL made all rap fans aware of who he was. Had there been some good singles to promote it,the project might have done well. But the songs didn't match the hype.
 

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And LL getting half his budget.

I'll say this...LL and Clef peaced it up WAY earlier than LL and Bis did.

Oh, I don’t know if I believe all of that. I always thought L was just talking shyt, lol. But who knows? I do know that Universal pretty much refused to promote dude's projects. Which was weird because he had a lot of hype at the time.
 

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Oh, I don’t know if I believe all of that. I always thought L was just talking shyt, lol. But who knows? I do know that Universal pretty much refused to promote dude's projects. Which was weird because he had a lot of hype at the time.
The irony is that universal owns Def Jam and interscope and Bis was going against Def Jam's first artist (not counting T la Rock) and what turned out to be Interscope's biggest artist (with the possible exception of 2pac)
 

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Canibus dissed ll in 98 not 97

In 97 he worked with LL
that's wrong

LL changed his verse to diss Canibus, and then Canibus changed his own verse and dissed LL when the company decided to throw him on the remix

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