Tim Duncan > Kobe Bryant according to ESPN writer

[Mic-Nificent]

Damn people really on that "How many times has Duncan missed the playoffs" bullshyt?

How many times was Duncan on a team that was completely rebuilding without so much as another all star beside him?

 

[Mic-Nificent]

I'll accept that, but Kobe also needed a HOF coach on top of the dominant bigs.

You mean to tell me that one of the greatest players of all time needed great teammates and a great coach in order to win championships? fascinating

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Duncan per 36 minutes at age 27:

2002-2003: 21.3 points, 11.8 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 2.7 blocks, 0.6 steals.

Duncan per 36 minutes at age 37:

2012-2013: 21.3 points, 11.9 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 3.2 blocks, 0.9 steals.

 

[Liquid]

You mean to tell me that one of the greatest players of all time needed great teammates and a great coach in order to win championships....fascinating

Its amazing isn't it, but the point still stands.

Kobe can play all season lights out and wont do much without his bigs playing a big part.

Duncan still leads this squad to the playoffs without Parker...no question about it. Probably a top 5 seed too.

I know this hurts Kobe fans, but its hard to argue with the facts. Duncan is the definition of dominant beyond the stats. You guys that just watch basketball casually won't understand.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

How many times was Duncan on a team that was completely rebuilding without so much as another all star beside him?

Duncan won a championship with no other all stars bruh...2003. They never had to rebuild because they have Duncan.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Duncan per 36 minutes at age 27:

2002-2003: 21.3 points, 11.8 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 2.7 blocks, 0.6 steals.

Duncan per 36 minutes at age 37:

2012-2013: 21.3 points, 11.9 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 3.2 blocks, 0.9 steals.

So we are just gonna ignore them yrs in between?

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Its amazing isn't it, but the point still stands.

Kobe can play all season lights out and wont do much without his bigs playing a big part.

Duncan still leads this squad to the playoffs without Parker...no question about it. Probably a top 5 seed too.

I know this hurts Kobe fans, but its hard to argue with the facts. Duncan is the definition of dominant beyond the stats. You guys that just watch basketball casually won't understand.

As evidenced by all those back to back championships and finals appearances.


Like I said in another thread, there's a argument to be made for both guys, who you choose is largely based on who you like or dislike more.

And as somebody else said, NOBODY was trying to make this argument two years ago. Hell nobody was even trying to make this argument last season. So truthfully this thread is just the typical reactionary bullshyt that usually goes on around here.

 

[Liquid]

As evidenced by all those back to back championships and finals appearances.


Like I said in another thread, there's a argument to be made for both guys, who you choose is largely based on who you like or dislike more.

And as somebody else said, NOBODY was trying to make this argument two years ago. Hell nobody was even trying to make this argument last season. So truthfully this thread is just the typical reactionary bullshyt that usually goes on around here.

being in the finals in 1999 and again in 2013 while still contributing a big part is more impressive than a back to back.

 

[Mac071415]

After all this its still Duncan > Kobe. :timmyumad:

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[Dusty Bake Activate]

And as somebody else said, NOBODY was trying to make this argument two years ago. Hell nobody was even trying to make this argument last season. So truthfully this thread is just the typical reactionary bullshyt that usually goes on around here.

"Who's the best since Jordan, Timmy Kobe or Shaq?" has been debated since 99.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

So we are just gonna ignore them yrs in between?

There's 2 rings he led them to in between, so no.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

being in the finals in 1999 and again in 2013 while still contributing a big part is more impressive than a back to back.

To be clear I'm not even in the business of knocking Duncan, I respect the hell out of what he's done throughout his career.


There are things you can point at to say Duncan is better than Kobe, but lets not pretend as if there aren't things you can point at to say Kobe is better than Duncan. Plus most of the shyt people are talking about in this thread is being discussed with no context whatsoever.

The year Kobe missed the playoffs was a year the Lakers were in complete rebuild mode. Some of the years the Spurs lost to lower seeded teams where times where they dealt with injuries to key players.


There's a debate to be had about this, just not around here where where people can't keep their emotions out of it. Kobe is too polarizing of a figure. Some want to deify him while others want to demonize him. Then you got Spurs fans overcompensating because their team gets slept on and disrespected so often.

 

[Liquid]

To be clear I'm not even in the business of knocking Duncan, I respect the hell out of what he's done throughout his career.


There are things you can point at to say Duncan is better than Kobe, but lets not pretend as if there aren't things you can point at to say Kobe is better than Duncan. Plus most of the shyt people are talking about in this thread is being discussed with no context whatsoever.

The year Kobe missed the playoffs was a year the Lakers were in complete rebuild mode. Some of the years the Spurs lost to lower seeded teams where times where they dealt with injuries to key players.


There's a debate to be had about this, just not around here where where people can't keep their emotions out of it. Kobe is too polarizing of a figure. Some want to deify him while others want to demonize him. Then you got Spurs fans overcompensating because their team gets slept on and disrespected so often.

Kobe is not better than Tim Duncan.

It really is that clear

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Kobe is not better than Tim Duncan.

It really is that clear

Like I said, there's a debate to be had, just not on this forum.

 

[No1]

being in the finals in 1999 and again in 2013 while still contributing a big part is more impressive than a back to back.

No, it's not. You and like two other people in the world would make this argument. Especially when we consider that the second run to the NBA title was through a watered down and injury-depleted western conference, and the first one was in a strike-shortened season. Plenty of all time greats could play number two 14 years later if surrounded by enough talent to sustain their careers, very view of them have made it to the championship game back to back in ANY sport. It's not like Duncan's teams weren't good enough to do it either. They had the Mavs for a second there in 06. For you to sit here and say that Duncan is clearly better than Kobe is hilarious, that is as close a debate among all time greats as you can find.

So we are just gonna ignore them yrs in between?

You should ignore that stat period. In 02-03 he was playing 39 MPG and this year he is barely playing 30. That stat is stupid because Duncan is not capable of playing those 36 MPG for 82 games without breaking down. He's efficient precisely because Pop has managed his minutes. It's just terrible way or arguing that Duncan is supposedly giving you the same production that he did a decade ago when it's clearly not the case, and his responsibility and pressure is not remotely comparable. Any time you see a Duncan vs. Kobe debate and a Duncan advocate attempts any type of longevity angle, you should ignore them.

For comparison's sake, in 02-03 Kobe averaged 30 7 and 6 while playing 41.5 MPG. This season he averaged 27 6 and 6 while playing 39 MPG. That is a much more accurate comparison especially because he was the focal point both years.