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Tim Duncan > Kobe Bryant according to ESPN writer
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:timmyumad: What the fukk was that quote you pulled up supposed to prove? A quote about the Lakers choosing to not double Duncan and letting Grant or Horry guard him proves...Robinson guarded Shaq????
Robinson guarded Shaq some obviously, Duncan did most of the work in the totality of the 3 series. In 03, he guarded Shaq virtually the whole time and I showed you on video. In the other series D-Rob was only putting in 20 something minutes per night. So who was guarding Shaq the other 20 something minutes, genius? Malik Rose?
You
when you said D-Rob guarded him, not Duncan when in reality they both guarded him and Duncan spent more time on him than D Rob did if you look at 00, 01, and 03 in sum. Just admit you were wrong.Dusty Bake Activate
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Kobe really has Spurs fans, Duncan stans and Heat stans coming together to say the most nonsensical and revisionist shyt
Let these guys tell it Tim Duncan went up against competent competition in all of his NBA finals (except that was only true once...against Detroit), and that he took bum shooters and defensive players to titles and that he's ever had a team as bad as what Kobe had from 04 to 07. Let them tell it that him being the best big man in today's NBA without a single 20 and 10 big man is more impressive than Kobe still being a top 5 player in a league dominated by wing players. Let them tell it somehow Duncan "let parker take advantage of a match up" in the 07 finals against the Cavs while Shaq had to carry Kobe in the NBA finals against the Todd McColloughs of the world after Kobe had just obliterated the Spurs in the WCF.
Let them tell it, that Tim Duncan winning a second ring while being clearly the second best player on his team will enhance his legacy while Kobe doing the same while being a top 5 player in the NBA detracts from his. Let them tell it, Pau Gasol being clearly the second best player on the Lakers during Kobe's last 3 trips to the finals takes away from Kobe's rings while Tony Parker being the best player on Tim's team for two straight finals trips doesn't affect his at all.
Let them tell it, that Kobe being the best player in a Lakers-Spurs series once again, even without Shaq and coming back from double digit deficits against the Spurs with a young team that had never won a playoff series before (and who Phil Jackson thought was one year early) means nothing. This while Duncan's second option Parker outplayed Kobe's second option Gasol the entire series.
There's an argument to be made for Tim, and he doesn't need this bullshyt hyperbole and biased nonsense.
And let you tell it, you're just going to dishonestly lump together a whole bunch of different statements from different posters into a strawman Voltron. You want me to combine all the stupid shyt Kobe stans in this thread and try to tar every pro-Kobe poster with it? I could start with dude saying Kobe has been better than Duncan since 99.
Please don't quote me verbatim, then add something I never said to it in order to make some made-up disingenuous non-point like this:
Thanks.
And oh yeah, Duncan > Kobe. :timmyumad:
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:timmyumad: What the fukk was that quote you pulled up supposed to prove? A quote about the Lakers choosing to not double Duncan and letting Grant or Horry guard him proves...Robinson guarded Shaq????
Robinson guarded Shaq some obviously, Duncan did most of the work in the totality of the 3 series. In 03, he guarded Shaq virtually the whole time and I showed you on video. In the other series D-Rob was only putting in 20 something minutes per night. So who was guarding Shaq the other 20 something minutes, genius? Malik Rose?
You
You're the one rewriting history because that's bullshyt. Duncan mostly guarded Shaq, not Robinson and vice versa.
You CLEARLY said that Duncan guarded Shaq and vice versa, I pointed out that YOU WERE WRONG and that quote proves it. I'm establishing that you wrong about everything you're talking about. Robinson guarded Shaq much more than Duncan. Again, what were Robinson and Malik Rose doing when they were in the games? Who were they guarding. For those 29 minutes that
Robinson played, who was he guarding?
You're a fukking idiot. Watch those clips I posted and tell me who Robinson is guarding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jyfR2pDOt3k#t=79s
Start of the game and what? Robinson is on Shaq?! Why would that happen so early? IT couldn't be that Pop assigned Robinson to primarily guard Shaq could it? Robinson is guarding Shaq and Duncan is on Grant. If I didn't know better, I would sware that you were wrong and I was right, but nah that can't be it.
I'm done, I refuse to argue in circles about something I right about, as I said...FOH wit that shyt!!!
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Do you realize you posted a quote about how the Lakers defended Duncan that had nothing to do with how Shaq was defended? 
What was that quote supposed to prove? Are you drunk? Obviously they both guarded him. You sound stupid because your initial comment said that Robinson guarded Shaq, not Duncan whereas reality says overall Duncan spent more time on him when you take into account Duncan took him 1-on-1 for the whole 03 series almost and Robinson only played 20 something minutes per game in 00 and 02. Then instead of admitting you overstated your case, you doubled down and claimed Robinson did most of the "heavy lifting"...from the bench, I guess.
You cussing and typing exclamation points takes a lot more energy than just at least admitting they shared duties on Shaq in 00 and 02. The temper tantrum you're throwing is funny though.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Kobe really has Spurs fans, Duncan stans and Heat stans coming together to say the most nonsensical and revisionist shyt
Let these guys tell it Tim Duncan went up against competent competition in all of his NBA finals (except that was only true once...against Detroit), and that he took bum shooters and defensive players to titles and that he's ever had a team as bad as what Kobe had from 04 to 07. Let them tell it that him being the best big man in today's NBA without a single 20 and 10 big man is more impressive than Kobe still being a top 5 player in a league dominated by wing players. Let them tell it somehow Duncan "let parker take advantage of a match up" in the 07 finals against the Cavs while Shaq had to carry Kobe in the NBA finals against the Todd McColloughs of the world after Kobe had just obliterated the Spurs in the WCF.
Let them tell it, that Tim Duncan winning a second ring while being clearly the second best player on his team will enhance his legacy while Kobe doing the same while being a top 5 player in the NBA detracts from his. Let them tell it, Pau Gasol being clearly the second best player on the Lakers during Kobe's last 3 trips to the finals takes away from Kobe's rings while Tony Parker being the best player on Tim's team for two straight finals trips doesn't affect his at all.
Let them tell it, that Kobe being the best player in a Lakers-Spurs series once again, even without Shaq and coming back from double digit deficits against the Spurs with a young team that had never won a playoff series before (and who Phil Jackson thought was one year early) means nothing. This while Duncan's second option Parker outplayed Kobe's second option Gasol the entire series.
There's an argument to be made for Tim, and he doesn't need this bullshyt hyperbole and biased nonsense.
Wait, did you really just say Duncan wasn't the best player on the 07 Spurs and Tony Parker was better? I just noticed that. You're trolling right? I know you're smarter than that.
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We gon' act like Ginobli and Tony Parker won't make the HOF themselves and Duncan did it on his own? Some of you fools need catscans, the Kobe hate has clouded your vision.
Plus Pop is on the same level as Phil if not better
Plus Pop is on the same level as Phil if not better
Seem to forget Duncan made them into that hof type player. Name the dudes kobe developed into a all star type player. I'm talking late first round rookies and late second round picks. don't worry I'll wait. That's another reason why its Duncan > Kobe . Kobes the missing piece to the puzzle/team while Duncan is the fukking puzzle.
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Wait? Duncan "MADE" Parker and Ginobli?
So you sayin nobody on the Spurs had any talent... until Duncan gave them talent and showed them how to shoot a basketball? The dude who is damn near a mute taught them all everything about basketball in the NBA? You want to take this route breh? What does Coach Pop do for his job? Do you have any idea? This myth about players making other players better is just that....a myth. You still believe in the toothfairy too breh?
Wait? Duncan "MADE" Parker and Ginobli?
So you sayin nobody on the Spurs had any talent... until Duncan gave them talent and showed them how to shoot a basketball? The dude who is damn near a mute taught them all everything about basketball in the NBA? You want to take this route breh? What does Coach Pop do for his job? Do you have any idea? This myth about players making other players better is just that....a myth. You still believe in the toothfairy too breh?
You still couldn't list anyone Kobe made into a all star type player. Nobody looked at ginobili and parker in the draft. Nobody. Duncan turned them into the players they are today. Let me know when your beloved Kobe does that. I'll wait. Duncan > Kobe
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Name the players AROUND Kobe long enough to be able to be molded into All-stars? The Lakers have never even had a solid foundation after '04 of players that hung around long enough........except Luke Walton and Lamar Odom.
Don't even count Bynum, dude barely ever lasted a full season
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@TooLazyToMakeUp1 @mad82109Name the players AROUND Kobe long enough to be able to be molded into All-stars? The Lakers have never even had a solid foundation after '04 of players that hung around long enough........except Luke Walton and Lamar Odom.
Don't even count Bynum, dude barely ever lasted a full season
Devean George (1st round pick)
Shannon Brown (1st round pick)
Sasha Vujacic (1st round pick)
Jordan Farmer (1st round pick)
Kobe never molded em into all-stars and in fact, i think all 4 of them were drafted higher than Parker and Ginobili
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Spurs fans are fukking retarded.
These dumb ass negroes above me said Duncan turned Manu and Parker into all-stars.
Not even Kobe fans are that retarded.
These dumb ass negroes above me said Duncan turned Manu and Parker into all-stars.
Not even Kobe fans are that retarded.
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Devean George (1st round pick)
Shannon Brown (1st round pick)
Sasha Vujacic (1st round pick)
Jordan Farmer (1st round pick)
Kobe never molded em into all-stars and in fact, i think all 4 of them were drafted higher than Parker and Ginobili
Where they were drafted is insignificant, everyone knows the Spurs know how to pick players.
Still, none of those players were ever on Ginobili or Tony Parker levels, breh.
Shannon Brown has a bigger role in Phoenix, but he only averages two more points more than he did as a bench player for the Lakers
Famar and Sasha (One of my favorite Lakers) also got expanded roles on the nets, but their output never went signicantly higher than when they played with Kobe
Devean George was never a good player
. His peak was the 2003 playoffs (where he only averaged 8 points 
)Out the gate, Ginoboli and Parker had better (way better) #'s than those players have had their entire careers. The Spurs just drafted better
We did drop the ball with Trevor Ariza, but he wanted more than he was worth after that one playoff series and never really got the chance to grow with the Lakers
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They dominated during duncans inhuries
Credit would go to coaching not tim
Why are you reactionary dudes just now sayong this this shyt