Top 10 NBA Player List: #4 of all-time
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Why are you so sour tho?
Jordan
Scottie Pippen - 5th overall pick
Kobe
Shaq - 1st overall pick and most dominant player probably ever
Pau Gasol - 3rd overall pick
Odom - 4th overall pick
Bynum - 10th overall pick
Magic played with multiple hall of famers, so did Larry Bird.
Can't name 1 all time great that won rings that didn't play with at least 1 other hall of fame caliber player, and multiple all-stars.
Neither team is even a contender without Lebron, that's carrying a team. Not to mention leading both teams in EVERY major statistical category in the NBA Finals is the epitome of carrying a team.
See I feel like Magic was half the prototype, cause Lebron is a much better all around scorer than Magic ever was. I got Lebron ahead of Magic slightly, but I'm the same way I'm not mad at anyone saying the opposite, it's splitting hairs at this point.
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Why is LeBron even on this list?
I choose magic btw.
I think nikkaz are slow on this website. People were saying Lebron carried a team and I simply showed them top 5 draft picks and a 54 million luxury tax because Cleveland had the highest salary this year. But I'm done...
I added to my last post to make a case for Lebron carrying those teams. Shouldn't even have to make a case, anyone with common sense that can put emotion aside and be objective knows Lebron carried those teams, and just cause people were drafted high doesn't mean they're stars. Look at Anthony Bennett, does the fact he was the #1 pick really mean shyt? Tristan Thompson isn't even close to being a star or anywhere close to what being the 4th overall pick should be, and Kevin Love hasn't played even close to the way a 5th overall pick should.
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Jordan
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Wilt
Somewhere in the top 10 LeBron is should be listed, but he's not top 5.
Jordan
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Wilt
Somewhere in the top 10 LeBron is should be listed, but he's not top 5.
A lot of people disagree.
For the record I can't emphatically say Lebron is without a doubt better than the guys on your list, that's why I think the whole best ever conversation is pointless. We're judging legacies more than anything in these conversations. As far as just pure talent goes, there's guys with no rings that will never sniff a top 10 list that in their primes were as good as anyone.
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Breh, you do undastand dat one can have a good team, good teammates, and still be in a situation(s) dat requires a supastar to take ova n put em on his/her backs to victory right?
Whetha it be off nites, injuries, lack of scenario experience, matchups prollems, etc.
Bron has had to dat multiple times in his career. Eam wit otha all-star teammates at his disposal.
4MVPs...3 Finals MVPs...I'm sorry, but your sole belief holds absolutely no weight in what has happened in reality, chief.
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I don't think LeBron is head and shoulders above kobe, Duncan, shaq, and Bird.
To me LeBron is interchangeable with these guys.
That's why this conversation is pointless. I don't think he's head and shoulders above those guys, but I think he's accomplished more relative to his teammates than those guys, and in terms of individual accomplishments it's really not even close. More pts, reb, and ast a game than Kobe. Better overall per game stats than Shaq and Duncan. More reg season MVPs than all of them, the same amount as all of them combined. More Finals MVPs than Kobe, same as Shaq and Duncan. Much more complete and a better all around player than all of them, he can do everything that they could do and more. His jumper was and never will be as smooth as Kobe's but he's as good or a better all around scorer, more ppg on less shots and a better fg%.
Bird has the best case against Bron IMO. Similar styles of play, Bird was a very complete player, but I still give it to Bron. Bird played with Hall of Famers right out the gate and his prime just didn't last long enough due to injuries. If he stayed as healthy as Lebron this conversation would be much different, and Bird would probably be in the conversation with Jordan.
If none of this changes ur mind who am I to tell u you're wrong?
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When Jordan averaged 41ppg 8rpg 7ast per game in the finals that was IMO carrying a team. You guys mention Lebron scoring 41 twice in the finals well MJ averaged that.. I'm not impressed
Last year Lebron averaged 36, 13, and 9 with a way worse team than Jordan and played a far better team than Jordan. Even though they lost, there's not a wing player in the history of the league that could've done any better. That series was the definition of carrying a team.
This year he averaged 30, 11, and 9 and led both teams in every major stat while playing great D all series and bringing them back from 3-1 against the team that beat Jordan's reg season wins record. He had help, but he still carried them more or less.
None of what he did affects what Jordan did, and vice versa, so how could u say you're not impressed? You're making it like a person has to average 41 ppg in order to qualify as carrying his team or being impressive, that's nonsense.
Jordan also took 33 shots A GAME in 93 (still shot 50% which is crazy). Lebron took 23 a game this series.
And Pippen averaged 21, 9, and 8 in 93 (Lebron's never played with a player capable of that), Horace Grant averaged 11 and 10 reb and BJ Armstrong averaged 13 and 5 ast. Much better overall stats from his supporting cast than Lebron got this or any season, so it's very hard to say Jordan completely carried that team even with his insane stats.
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