Trump Administration sues Yale for letting in too many Black kids

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Of course I don't. That is why I'm disappointed that the Dems are not speaking more strongly about packing the courts if this Cony Karen women gets confirmed.

I posted those videos to show we've KNOWN this was coming no use in crying and acting surprised now.
Also I don''t get this argument that a Reparations bill approved by Congress will go to the SC and will get overturned. Why do people keep saying this? That never happened to the Japanese Reparations program so why keep saying it will happen to the ADOS Reparations Bill?

You aint paying attention. How much nationwide pushback was given on Japanese and Native american reparations compared to Black reparations?

The fact that Indian reparations was completely passed and we still waiting on Black reparations answers the question. Cacs despise Black people far more and want to see us held down FAR more than they do any other race in this country, its not even close.

So yes, if the SC isnt in our favor it would just get struck down immediately. I figured most of all you ADOS nikkas would understand that Blacks aint the fukking same as Indians or Japanese people.... The hate for us is different. Always has been. Funny that yall of all people have a hard time realizing that.
 

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Of course I don't. That is why I'm disappointed that the Dems are not speaking more strongly about packing the courts if this Cony Karen women gets confirmed.
They're not speaking on it because it's a terrible talking point for an election. One of their main election points is that Trump is a reckless power-seeker who has violated all norms, they're making the case that even Republicans should stop him. It doesn't help their case if they start talking about seeking extra power and violating norms themselves.

And it's not like they're gonna intimidate the Republicans out of moving forwards, everyone knows the R's will grab whatever power they can right now no matter what Dems threaten.



I posted those videos to show we've KNOWN this was coming no use in crying and acting surprised now.
Also I don''t get this argument that a Reparations bill approved by Congress will go to the SC and will get overturned. Why do people keep saying this? That never happened to the Japanese Reparations program so why keep saying it will happen to the ADOS Reparations Bill?
The Japanese reparations program was just $1.6 billion total and was ONLY disbursed to those victims who were still alive.

It wasn't overturned because no one gives a shyt about that tiny chump change, and because the victims were still alive and had a a direct grievance against the US Government itself because the US Government is the one that committed the specific action of harm. Legally the conservatives in the Supreme Court have zero need to follow the same precedent in the case of slavery, and practically a $1.6 billion bill just isn't going to get any of the attention that a $6 trillion reparations bill would get.
 

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Your issue is that there is zero precedent showing that the kind of people who block race-based programs won't also block lineage-based programs. They're just going to claim that "specific aggrieved groups" only apply to those who were specifically harmed, and since slavery was over before any of us were born they'll say that no living person can claim to have been specifically aggrieved by it. They'll also claim that the current college administration and other students weren't responsible for the grievance in question.

You can't seriously think that any Trump justice who opposes Affirmative Action is going to turn around and support Reparations.




Lineage based reparations might make for a more solid legal case than what we have now. I’m not a legal scholar but that seems to be the case
 

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And if you want to know deep down who is behind the effort, it's this man:

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Edward Blum is a neocon who tried to run for Congress in the 1980s. He started campaigning door-to-door and felt there were too many Black people in his district and thus he had no chance to win. When he lost the race he sued the state of Texas for letting Black folk have too much power with these majority-Black congressional districts, and the case went to the Supreme Court, with the 5 Republican-appointed justices ruling in his favor.

That victory led him to devote the rest of his life to attacking Black folk. He builds research to prove "misuse" of civil rights laws and "inappropriate" examples of multiculturalism. He's instigated numerous lawsuits to destroy the Voting Rights Act, with the most successful being Shelby County vs. Holder, where the conservative majority eviscerated the Voting Rights Act and allowed all the bullshyt we've seen in the last three elections.

He's also instigated numerous lawsuits to end Affirmative Action. When he lost his first few lawsuits with White defendants, he switched it up and began using Asian-American defendants as sock-puppets, believing that gave him better optics and a stronger case.

Officially it was Asian-American groups who asked the Department of Justice to investigate, but Edward Blum was making it happen behind the scenes. His lifelong focus on fukking life over for Black folk is straight evil.

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No one haven’t put a bullet in this racist head already? :francis:
 

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You aint paying attention. How much nationwide pushback was given on Japanese and Native american reparations compared to Black reparations?

The fact that Indian reparations was completely passed and we still waiting on Black reparations answers the question. Cacs despise Black people far more and want to see us held down FAR more than they do any other race in this country, its not even close.

So yes, if the SC isnt in our favor it would just get struck down immediately. I figured most of all you ADOS nikkas would understand that Blacks aint the fukking same as Indians or Japanese people.... The hate for us is different. Always has been. Funny that yall of all people have a hard time realizing that.
The Japanese internment reparations ($1.6 billion) was actually smaller than the Black farmer reparations ($2.2 billion), though when you adjust for inflation I'd guess they'd probably come out pretty close to the same. It was also smaller per-person (Japanese internment victims got $20,000 each while Black farmers got $50,000 each).

There have been multiple small-scale reparations bills passed for several different groups. The issue is that no one is sweating these tiny inconsequential bills that don't even register on the budget the way that they would sweat true reparations.
 

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Lineage based reparations might make for a more solid legal case than what we have now. I’m not a legal scholar but that seems to be the case


I'm not personally with that unless its lineage PRIORITY personally. Give me priority because my direct family line suffered, but all black people in this country need to receive something period. Hate to quote song lyrics but:

"Just because I wasn't picking cotton physically, doesn't mean I'm not effected by the history"

Black people in this country of Jamaican/Nigerian or where ever descent are still being discriminated against and held back daily despite not having origins that go back to our struggle. Give us ours first; but I want to see THEM broken off too. White America gets no pass from me. F that.
 

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I'm not personally with that unless its lineage PRIORITY personally. Give me priority because my direct family line suffered, but all black people in this country need to receive something period. Hate to quote song lyrics but:

"Just because I wasn't picking cotton physically, doesn't mean I'm not effected by the history"

Black people in this country of Jamaican/Nigerian or where ever descent are still being discriminated against and held back daily despite not having origins that go back to our struggle. Give us ours first; but I want to see THEM broken off too. White America gets no pass from me. F that.



No all black people don’t. Only the people you were systematically oppressed through government policy.
 

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The Japanese internment reparations ($1.6 billion) was actually smaller than the Black farmer reparations ($2.2 billion), though when you adjust for inflation I'd guess they'd probably come out pretty close to the same. It was also smaller per-person (Japanese internment victims got $20,000 each while Black farmers got $50,000 each).

There have been multiple small-scale reparations bills passed for several different groups. The issue is that no one is sweating these tiny inconsequential bills that don't even register on the budget the way that they would sweat true reparations.


Would you be in favor of only ADOS qualifying for academic affirmative action?
 

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No one haven’t put a bullet in this racist head already? :francis:

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Whoa whoa whoa man, I don't need FBI knocking on my door accusing me on instigating domestic terrorism. I'm 100% nonviolence on this shyt (and everything). He ain't even the lawyer arguing the cases, killing him just puts a battery in the back of all the people furthering his agenda.

What we need #1 is politicians who will appoint judges who won't believe his bullshyt arguments. #2 is politicians to pass new laws (like a new Voting Rights Act) that will stand the challenges that have caused the old laws to become obsolete.
 

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They're not speaking on it because it's a terrible talking point for an election. One of their main election points is that Trump is a reckless power-seeker who has violated all norms, they're making the case that even Republicans should stop him. It doesn't help their case if they start talking about seeking extra power and violating norms themselves.

And it's not like they're gonna intimidate the Republicans out of moving forwards, everyone knows the R's will grab whatever power they can right now no matter what Dems threaten.




The Japanese reparations program was just $1.6 billion total and was ONLY disbursed to those victims who were still alive.

It wasn't overturned because no one gives a shyt about that tiny chump change, and because the victims were still alive and had a a direct grievance against the US Government itself because the US Government is the one that committed the specific action of harm. Legally the conservatives in the Supreme Court have zero need to follow the same precedent in the case of slavery, and practically a $1.6 billion bill just isn't going to get any of the attention that a $6 trillion reparations bill would get.


That is why Dems are spineless cucks. The GOP has violated norms for the past 20 plus years. Expanding the Court is within the legal rights of Congress. Dems don't fight to win.

So the answer is to not fight at all and let the GOP have a 6-3 court?


You aint paying attention. How much nationwide pushback was given on Japanese and Native american reparations compared to Black reparations?

The fact that Indian reparations was completely passed and we still waiting on Black reparations answers the question. Cacs despise Black people far more and want to see us held down FAR more than they do any other race in this country, its not even close.

So yes, if the SC isnt in our favor it would just get struck down immediately. I figured most of all you ADOS nikkas would understand that Blacks aint the fukking same as Indians or Japanese people.... The hate for us is different. Always has been. Funny that yall of all people have a hard time realizing that.

Based on what?? How would it even get to the SC?Where is the precedent? You are just making shyt up to hate on Reparations.

Why keep injecting this negative shyt?
 

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That is why Dems are spineless cucks. The GOP has violated norms for the past 20 plus years. Expanding the Court is within the legal rights of Congress. Dems don't fight to win.

So the answer is to not fight at all and let the GOP have a 6-3 court?

Seems likee

You're not explaining what you want them to do.

Shouting "We gonna pack the courts!" only makes it less likely that they'll ever get the chance to pack the courts. So what do you want them to do right now?

The #1 way to keep the Republicans from a 6-3 majority would have been to oppose Trump in 2016, right?
 

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I'm not personally with that unless its lineage PRIORITY personally. Give me priority because my direct family line suffered, but all black people in this country need to receive something period. Hate to quote song lyrics but:

"Just because I wasn't picking cotton physically, doesn't mean I'm not effected by the history"

Black people in this country of Jamaican/Nigerian or where ever descent are still being discriminated against and held back daily despite not having origins that go back to our struggle. Give us ours first; but I want to see THEM broken off too. White America gets no pass from me. F that.
The Case for Reparations

Yup. Reparations can be for slavery. But also for sharecropping. But also for Jim Crow. But also for redlining. But also for the daily discrimination that Black folk of all types face across the country every day.

I'm okay with reparations being solely for slavery or with reparations being for the entire Black experience in America. Whatever moves it forward and makes it happen. It's when folk make the distinctions in order to foster division and KEEP shyt from happening that I get ornery.



Would you be in favor of only ADOS qualifying for academic affirmative action?
What do you believe the point of Affirmative Action is?

If you want to cast Affirmative Action as solely a redress for slavery, then yes, it should be for only those persons who can prove their lineage all the way back to slavery.

If you think Affirmative Action is deserved for all Black children who are forced to go through the discriminatory experience of racist K-12 schooling in America, then any Black child in America should qualify. Same goes if you think Affirmative Action is necessary to increase the # of Black professionals in the country, to provide more Black role models in professions that require higher ed, etc.

Of course, you can have both - a program that aims to address Black children generally AND a program that is specifically in redress for slavery.



I definitely agree that foreign Black folk shouldn't qualify for anything like Affirmative Action. If the colleges want to do specific country-based programs to increase the # of skilled professionals in particular countries, that's fine. But Black non-Americans shouldn't be in the same pool as Black Americans in regards to these programs.
 

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The Case for Reparations

Yup. Reparations can be for slavery. But also for sharecropping. But also for Jim Crow. But also for redlining. But also for the daily discrimination that Black folk of all types face across the country every day.

I'm okay with reparations being solely for slavery or with reparations being for the entire Black experience in America. Whatever moves it forward and makes it happen. It's when folk make the distinctions in order to foster division and KEEP shyt from happening that I get ornery.




What do you believe the point of Affirmative Action is?

If you want to cast Affirmative Action as solely a redress for slavery, then yes, it should be for only those persons who can prove their lineage all the way back to slavery.

If you think Affirmative Action is deserved for all Black children who are forced to go through the discriminatory experience of racist K-12 schooling in America, then any Black child in America should qualify. Same goes if you think Affirmative Action is necessary to increase the # of Black professionals in the country, to provide more Black role models in professions that require higher ed, etc.

Of course, you can have both - a program that aims to address Black children generally AND a program that is specifically in redress for slavery.



I definitely agree that foreign Black folk shouldn't qualify for anything like Affirmative Action. If the colleges want to do specific country-based programs to increase the # of skilled professionals in particular countries, that's fine. But Black non-Americans shouldn't be in the same pool as Black Americans in regards to these programs.




Affirmative Action was originally meant to address the effects of slavery. You don’t want the advantage that AA gives to immigrants to no longer exist. That’s the main reason immigrants hate on the ADOS movement because they know lineage based programs have more of a legal foundation than what we currently have in place.
 

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Trump administration targets diversity hiring by contractors
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    FILE - In this Oct. 2, 2019 file photo, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella talks during a company event in New York. Nadella said in June 2020 that the tech company would double the number of Black and African American managers, senior individual contributors and senior leaders by 2025. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan, File)

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    FILE - In this March 10, 2020 file photo, Wells Fargo CEO and President Charles Scharf is seated to testify during a hearing of the House Financial Services Committee, on Capitol Hill in Washington. American companies promising to hire more Black employees in leadership roles and teach their workforce about racial bias are getting a message from President Donald Trump’s administration: Watch your step. Trump’s Labor Department is using a 55-year-old presidential order spurred by the Civil Rights Movement to scrutinize companies like Microsoft and Wells Fargo over their public commitments to boost Black employment and leadership roles.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon, File)
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American companies promising to hire more Black employees in leadership roles and teach their workforce about racism are getting a message from President Donald Trump’s administration: Watch your step if you want to keep doing business with the federal government.

Trump’s Labor Department is using a 55-year-old presidential order spurred by the Civil Rights Movement to scrutinize companies like Microsoft and Wells Fargo over their public commitments to diversity. Government letters sent last week warned both companies against using “discriminatory practices” to meet their goals.

Microsoft has brushed off the warnings, publicly disclosing the government inquiry and defending its plan to boost Black leadership.


But advocates for corporate diversity initiatives worry that more cautious executives will halt or scale back efforts to make their workplaces more inclusive out of fear that a wrong step could jeopardize lucrative public contracts. The agency has oversight over the hiring practices of thousands of federal contractors that employ roughly a quarter of all American workers.

“For tech companies that don’t care about these issues, the pronouncements are a dog whistle that they can carry on discriminating the way they already have,” said Laszlo Bock, an executive who ran Google’s human resources division for more than a decade and now leads software startup Humu.

Bock said those who do care, however, will see Trump's actions as political “sound and fury" that will be hard to enforce.

“It’s not at all illegal to strive to have a workforce that reflects the makeup of your nation,” Bock said.

Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson’s 1965 order was designed to “adjust the imbalances of hiring that are a legacy of our racist past,” said employment attorney and public contracting expert Daniel Abrahams.

“Trump is turning it around into an instrument of white grievances,” he added.

The president has also ordered the Labor Department to set up a new hotline to investigate complaints about anti-racism training sessions that Trump has called “anti-American” and “blame-focused.” The order signed last month calls attention to discussions of deep-seated racism and privilege that could make white workers feel “discomfort” or guilt.

Trade groups representing the tech and pharmaceutical industries are protesting Trump's new order, saying it would restrict free speech and interfere with private sector efforts to combat systemic racism.

Trump's executive order is a twist on Johnson’s 1965 directive and amendments that followed that set rules banning discriminatory practices at companies that contract with the federal government. It requires contractors to take “affirmative action” to open the doors to hiring minorities and women.

But the Labor Department is raising questions about the specificity of commitments made by executives addressing racial injustice in response to the wave of Black Lives Matter protests that followed May's police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said in June that the tech company would double the number of Black and African American managers, senior individual contributors and senior leaders by 2025. Wells Fargo CEO Charles Scharf made a similar commitment in June to doubling Black leadership over the next five years.

Abrahams said he doubts that the Labor Department has much of a case against companies that are trying to boost diversity, though “there’s some discrimination against white people that’s probably actionable,” and courts have danced around the question of what happens when employers set “inflexible” targets for racial quotas.

But he said it’s more likely the Trump administration is using the move as a political tactic ahead of the presidential election. Trump has criticized workplace training that he says is based on critical race theory, or the idea that racism is systemic in the U.S.

Dozens of companies have ramped up their efforts to bring more Black and other minority employees into their ranks since the protests over Floyd’s death shook the country and triggered a national reckoning over racism. Many have announced initiatives specifically targeting the African American community.

The CEOs of the 27 largest employers in New York — including Amazon and J.P. Morgan — formed a coalition to recruit 100,000 people from low-income Black, Hispanic and Asian communities in the city by 2030. More than 40 companies have joined a pledge to add at least one Black member to their board of directors by 2021.

Several other top government contractors have set numeric goals for adding Black or Latino employees, including consulting firms Accenture and Deloitte.

Johnny Taylor, the CEO of the Society for Human Resource Management, said he has asked for a conference with U.S. Labor Secretary Eugene Scalia to seek clarity about the intention of the inquiries.

“I want them to ensure the companies are complying with the law but that investigation doesn’t result in a chilling effect on diversity and inclusion programs,” said Taylor, whose organization represents 300,000 human resource professionals across the world.

Taylor said he believed the policies announced by Microsoft and Wells Fargo amounted to aspirational goals, rather than quotas based on race. But he said announcing numbers may have opened companies to discrimination complaints.

Companies can protect themselves against claims of discrimination by widening their applicant pool to ensure a large enough number of qualified minority candidates, said Mabel Abraham, an assistant professor of management at Columbia University. The challenge, she said, is that companies have to show they have measurable diversity goals to attract talented minority applicants in the first place.

“Companies that are going to get the applicants are the ones that actually have minorities in top roles and that are putting out messages of race and diversity,” she said. “It’s a chicken-and-egg problem.”

The latest actions affecting contractors align with a broader Trump administration trend on matters of race.

The Education Department last month opened an investigation into racial bias at Princeton University over the school’s recent acknowledgment of racism on campus, and on Thursday, the Justice Department sued Yale University, weeks after prosecutors found the university was illegally discriminating against Asian American and white applicants, in violation of federal civil rights law.

Trump’s newest executive order also applies to educational institutions that receive federal funding. At least one university, the University of Iowa, suspended its diversity efforts in response the order.

Liz Tovar, the university’s interim associate vice president of diversity, equity and inclusion, said the decision was taken because of “the seriousness of the penalties for non-compliance with the order, which include the loss of federal funding.”
Nah, this dude has to go, we're about to get locked out of the tech sector. Most black people in tech work for government contractors. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
 

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Affirmative Action was originally meant to address the effects of slavery. You don’t want the advantage that AA gives to immigrants to no longer exist. That’s the main reason immigrants hate on the ADOS movement because they know lineage based programs have more of a legal foundation than what we currently have in place.
That's simply historically false. Affirmative Action was created to combat discrimination against Black folk. It wasn't created until 100 years after slavery ended and slavery wasn't mentioned anywhere in the text at all. The entire Civil Rights Movement was centered around addressing the real disadvantages that Black folk faced in the here and now, it wasn't a reparations movement.

Executive Order 10925—Establishing the President's Committee on Equal Employment Opportunity | The American Presidency Project

Executive Order 11246 – Equal Employment Opportunity | U.S. Department of Labor



And your bullshyt about what I want is simply that - bullshyt. You don't even know who I am or what my background is. You just claimed that Black immigrants hate on the legal foundation of a lineage based program. That's insane. If Affirmative Action for black folk (including immigrants) has no legal foundation then it will be lost regardless of whether lineage-based reparations has a legal foundation or not.

It's incredible how you shoot to creating division and attacking identify every time when we're trying to have a real discussion about what we're facing in this country.
 
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