Umar vs The Boule (Debate)

[lib123]

Why be adversarial when you can take it down from the inside?

Some of yall really seem upset some people have figure out way in from the inside.

But then some of yall would have to admit that you don't have the skill to navigate up that ladder.

How has "taking it down from the inside" worked out in the 70 years post-integration? With Black wealth as a % of overall wealth still at the same levels? As if they don't thoroughly screen who they let inside...

And it's not about having the skill or not to climb the "ladder". Some of us are building our own tables, like every other racial group, instead of begging for "a seat at the table".

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

How has "taking it down from the inside" worked out in the 70 years post-integration? With Black wealth as a % of overall wealth still at the same levels? As if they don't thoroughly screen who they let inside...

And it's not about having the skill or not to climb the "ladder". Some of us are building our own tables, like every other racial group, instead of begging for "a seat at the table".

its worked out fairly well, actually.

Dude, we're 14% of the population. What sort of dominance are you trying to see reflected here?

And to even see the relative access and success of numerous corporate winners, isn't something to shrug at.

Progress is hard work.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Dude, we're 14% of the population. What sort of dominance are you trying to see reflected here?

After 50 years, you'd hope that Black people would be 14% of any category you can think of.

 

[kaldurahm]

Umar is a straight beast. Definitely one of the nastiest orators I've ever hear. He's so precise, it's insane, at least he has the potential to be when he's on.

Unfortunately, some of his comments were off base. I've actually learned a lot from the posters on this thread, so thanks for making this thread op

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

You can put him in any forum and I don't think he'd get bullied.

What credible forums has he been in?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Damn Robert Taylor homes got mentioned, lol.

Boule dude seemed to know some stuff. He got Umar about Vernon Jordan's wife. Umar gets away with generalizing to the uninformed.

This..... Umar is brilliant to people who don't know shyt to begin with... but with that being said, he is a very good orator

 

[lib123]

its worked out fairly well, actually.

Dude, we're 14% of the population. What sort of dominance are you trying to see reflected here?

And to even see the relative access and success of numerous corporate winners, isn't something to shrug at.

Progress is hard work.

It’s worked out (somewhat) for the Black tokens (eg Boule), not for the masses of Black people. The fact that Black wealth has stagnated despite integration is a complete failure. Not trying to see dominance, just overall tangible progress. What numerous corporate winners? There are only 4 Black Fortune 500 CEOs (soon to be 3 after Merck CEO retires this Summer).

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

It’s worked out (somewhat) for the Black tokens (eg Boule),

what infrastructure does the boule run?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Exactly, the Boule types with some financial resources don’t take risks to build industries. Can you imagine a Boule type graduating from Princeton then leaving their ‘good job’ earning hundreds of thousands working at a hedge fund in 1994 to move across country and sell books online (Bezos)? Or a Boule type with an engineering background living on $1 a day in their 20s and showering at YMCA while building a business (Elon Musk)? While other groups bankroll their children’s startups, Boule types shame them for not getting degrees and jobs. Those types of short term sacrifices and risk taking are needed by Black ppl with the most resources to elevate the race

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It’s worked out (somewhat) for the Black tokens (eg Boule), not for the masses of Black people. The fact that Black wealth has stagnated despite integration is a complete failure. Not trying to see dominance, just overall tangible progress. What numerous corporate winners? There are only 4 Black Fortune 500 CEOs (soon to be 3 after Merck CEO retires this Summer).

how would it ever help the black masses?

You can't help anyone with no money, experience, education, or access.

Yes, I know about Frazier. I made a thread about him weeks ago. https://www.thecoli.com/threads/one...0-ceos-ken-frazier-of-merck-to-retire.830211/

All the black success stories I know actually look out for other people professionally. I would know.

Look at programs like MLT that have elevated scores of black professionals in corporate spaces.

Theres movement being made out here.

I don't know what time scale you want.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Exactly, the Boule types with some financial resources don’t take risks to build industries. Can you imagine a Boule type graduating from Princeton then leaving their ‘good job’ earning hundreds of thousands working at a hedge fund in 1994 to move across country and sell books online (Bezos)? Or a Boule type with an engineering background living on $1 a day in their 20s and showering at YMCA while building a business (Elon Musk)? While other groups bankroll their children’s startups, Boule types shame them for not getting degrees and jobs. Those types of short term sacrifices and risk taking are needed by Black ppl with the most resources to elevate the race

Bezos started with like 250K from his family in 1995 which is close to 500K today Jeff Bezos got his parents to invest nearly $250,000 in Amazon in 1995 — they might be worth $30 billion today

Elon Musk's family owned a diamond mine in South Africa Elon Musk's family once owned an emerald mine in Zambia — here's the fascinating story of how they came to own it

What the fukk are you talking about?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He didn't to be honest.
Umar says a lot of things that sounds good.
But not actually practical.

For instance, when Umar says that you can't be a black elite who goes after access and resources and simultaneously be for the black community, because it's serving two masters. That's hogwash and is the reason why after fifty years, he's still begging for scraps to build his school. If he had access and resources, then his school would have been built.

Whereas the black elite, with their access and resources, have been able to build their thriving schools for black youth.



I've said this before to @The Hon. Stringer Bell , you can't do anything for the black community broke.

You have to leverage access and resources to get things done.

If you don't have them, you have nothing but a mouth.

Umar has yielded no return.

I'll bump this thread in August if his school opens like he said.

Yep.

Umar can't actualize anything.

The Boule, as imperfect as they are, actually can and do.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Boy, you love to spin a convo into bullshyt, don't you. You can't be honest for a second.

Bruh, why should I not want to circulate around people who are movers and shakers?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I think Umar is right, that among the broader black elite, there has been a sort of negligence.

But among what LOG defines as the black upper class, that segment of the black elite, their entire history has been one of uplift and civil rights.

The problem is Umar is conflating the two groups while LOG is trying to make the distinction.

I disagree.

Negligence means they do nothing. And thats not true. The Boule absolutely look out, but yes there is a behaviorally classist element to it. It is absolutely pro-black though. They are engaged in black politics, black economics, and black academia. But its rooted in blackness. It always has. The problem is that the uneducated and unrefined find it hard to navigate in that world, while these black elites have mastered how to straddle that line. Make no mistake. They KNOW they're black, but they're not about to be fukked up in the game over it. Umar is stuck on paper bag tests from the turn of the last century just so he can avoid having to address a rising black upper class and what it takes to get there.

Remember, Umar has a PhD. He himself is an academic elite, whether or not he wants to admit.

Talking all this revolution talk is sweet, but many like Umar use it as a defense against actual action.

 

[lib123]

Bezos started with like 250K from his family in 1995 which is close to 500K today Jeff Bezos got his parents to invest nearly $250,000 in Amazon in 1995 — they might be worth $30 billion today

Elon Musk's family owned a diamond mine in South Africa Elon Musk's family once owned an emerald mine in Zambia — here's the fascinating story of how they came to own it

What the fukk are you talking about?

WTF are you talking about? There are (very few) Black people who can invest in their children’s businesses. Do you see them encouraging entrepreneurship and offering their children seed investment, or pushing them into Corporate America?