Religion/Spirituality Vegetarianism, Veganism, and just reducing your meat intake.

[Julius Skrrvin]

All environmental shyt, you starting to sound like my ex-girl .

I miss her and her uber-liberal ass self

I'm a pantheist, so i have to talk the talk and walk the walk Can't believe in mother earth as God unless you respect her as such

This is the one thing I do get behind Sanders and Stein 100%

But uber-liberal or not, if you believe in protecting the environment it can't just stop at emissions created by mechanical industry or inefficient transition. At some point we have to address the irresponsible and unsustainable nature of our farming and food system from the farm to the supermarket. The amount of sheer waste is astonishing. Even if you eat meat, how many times are you eating off-cuts or organ meats, or using the bones of the animals you eat?

Liberals are willing to call out the problems of every industry from fracking to financial institutions but won't address the fact that the way our society approaches the most basic task of keeping us alive might be deeply unethical, inefficient and wrong. And to boot, industrial agriculture doesn't produce anything good to eat

 

[No1]

I'm a pantheist, so i have to talk the talk and walk the walk Can't believe in mother earth as God unless you respect her as such

This is the one thing I do get behind Sanders and Stein 100%

But uber-liberal or not, if you believe in protecting the environment it can't just stop at emissions created by mechanical industry or inefficient transition. At some point we have to address the irresponsible and unsustainable nature of our farming and food system from the farm to the supermarket. The amount of sheer waste is astonishing. Even if you eat meat, how many times are you eating off-cuts or organ meats, or using the bones of the animals you eat?

Liberals are willing to call out the problems of every industry from fracking to financial institutions but won't address the fact that the way our society approaches the most basic task of keeping us alive might be deeply unethical, inefficient and wrong. And to boot, industrial agriculture doesn't produce anything good to eat

Ironically, this is one of the two issues where Sanders and I probably disagree (besides how awkward he is talking about race issues, but so is every other white liberal). I'm no fan of fracking, but lessening our dependency on the Middle East gives me pause. So some of his environmental stances I agree with as an environmentalist, but as someone who understands the world and politics, I cannot totally disagree with Clinton and Obama. The second thing is on this illusion of manufacturing jobs coming back to the US, which he knows are not coming back (the deals are trash though if you read them) but I get why he's saying it. I also think free universal access to early childhood education and daycare is more important than free college, but I digress. Back on the topic, what saves me is that I'm one of those dudes who just cannot get fat.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Ironically, this is one of the two issues where Sanders and I probably disagree (besides how awkward he is talking about race issues, but so is every other white liberal). I'm no fan of fracking, but lessening our dependency on the Middle East gives me pause. So some of his environmental stances I agree with as an environmentalist, but as someone who understands the world and politics, I cannot totally disagree with Clinton and Obama. The second thing is on this illusion of manufacturing jobs coming back to the US, which he knows are not coming back (the deals are trash though if you read them) but I get why he's saying it. I also think free universal access to early childhood education and daycare is more important than free college, but I digress. Back on the topic, what saves me is that I'm one of those dudes who just cannot get fat.

Well I agree. It's not an easy transition. Liberals across the board all agree that it's necessary to move toward more sustainable lifestyles, that's damn near universal. The devil of course is in the details. Our society is by and large propped up by cheap fossil fuel based energy. Whether we get that from domestic or foreign sources, that remains true. The key is facilitating the transition so the cost isn't absorbed by the electorate, and we all have different ideas on how long that will take and what we target first. If we're talking transportation for example, we're looking at raising efficiency requirements on vehicles, investing in infrastructure and public transportation- more costs.

If we bring it around to repurposing our agricultural system to not be completely destructive to our environment and bodies, that also requires enacting (and undoing) a long series of legislation and revitalizing rural/agricultural communities, as well as educating people on the subject of sustainable farming and enlisting the aid of ecological analysis. It's not an easy path to plot and honestly pinning it on any President is a ridiculously tall order

In a better political climate, I believe the Obamas would have done more; you can tell just by their revitalizing the White House garden and Michelle's efforts to save school lunches it's an area of concern for them.


As for getting fat or not, that metabolism won't save you forever and tbh you shouldn't use it as a guarantee of health either:

Obesity paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[No1]

Well I agree. It's not an easy transition. Liberals across the board all agree that it's necessary to move toward more sustainable lifestyles, that's damn near universal. The devil of course is in the details. Our society is by and large propped up by cheap fossil fuel based energy. Whether we get that from domestic or foreign sources, that remains true. The key is facilitating the transition so the cost isn't absorbed by the electorate, and we all have different ideas on how long that will take and what we target first. If we're talking transportation for example, we're looking at raising efficiency requirements on vehicles, investing in infrastructure and public transportation- more costs.

If we bring it around to repurposing our agricultural system to not be completely destructive to our environment and bodies, that also requires enacting (and undoing) a long series of legislation and revitalizing rural/agricultural communities, as well as educating people on the subject of sustainable farming and enlisting the aid of ecological analysis. It's not an easy path to plot and honestly pinning it on any President is a ridiculously tall order

In a better political climate, I believe the Obamas would have done more; you can tell just by their revitalizing the White House garden and Michelle's efforts to save school lunches it's an area of concern for them.


As for getting fat or not, that metabolism won't save you forever and tbh you shouldn't use it as a guarantee of health either:

Obesity paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for the bad news

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Thanks for the bad news

Anything I can do to help the cancer ward here's filled with matchstick brehs

Just some food for thought. TBF, moving away from eating prime steak and chicken every day is not a bad thing even from an eaters perspective. Contrary to what many might think, throwing a young and tender prime grain fed filet mignon wrapped with some salt injected fake bacon isn't the best eats out there. It isn't even the best way to eat meat. Real "cuisine" comes from hardship and creativity, not mass product. Human beings learned how to make sausage and pickles when confronted with the possibility that they'd starve through the winter because they couldn't grow produce, or to make the most of the animal they'd spent years raising. You have a good job, i'm sure you yourself have tasted the difference between grain fed supermarket steaks and grass fed aged beef, the difference between farmer's market vegetables and what's on shelves around the country. As someone who likes to cook, moving to a vegetable and grain centric diet has introduced me to a range of amazing dishes I'd never had before. And moving away from just eating muscle meat and fish "steaks" has shown me how lovely organ meat is; liver, heart, brain, tongue, intestines, marrow, bone broth

I still don't like stomach tho


If you're interested in more and have some time, i'd recommend reading through this, great book. I have the .epub if you want it

Moving away from

 

[No1]

Anything I can do to help the cancer ward here's filled with matchstick brehs

Just some food for thought. TBF, moving away from eating prime steak and chicken every day is not a bad thing even from an eaters perspective. Contrary to what many might think, throwing a young and tender prime grain fed filet mignon wrapped with some salt injected fake bacon isn't the best eats out there. It isn't even the best way to eat meat. Real "cuisine" comes from hardship and creativity, not mass product. Human beings learned how to make sausage and pickles when confronted with the possibility that they'd starve through the winter because they couldn't grow produce, or to make the most of the animal they'd spent years raising. You have a good job, i'm sure you yourself have tasted the difference between grain fed supermarket steaks and grass fed aged beef, the difference between farmer's market vegetables and what's on shelves around the country. As someone who likes to cook, moving to a vegetable and grain centric diet has introduced me to a range of amazing dishes I'd never had before. And moving away from just eating muscle meat and fish "steaks" has shown me how lovely organ meat is; liver, heart, brain, tongue, intestines, marrow, bone broth

I still don't like stomach tho


If you're interested in more and have some time, i'd recommend reading through this, great book. I have the .epub if you want it

Moving away from

Yeah, send me the .epub. I can't cook though. I need to get on that. But yeah, I can tell the difference given how people at the firm eat. Side note: sometimes when Sanders harps on Wall Street, I'm like while cats have me eating some caviar or some shyt.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Yeah, send me the .epub. I can't cook though. I need to get on that. But yeah, I can tell the difference given how people at the firm eat. Side note: sometimes when Sanders harps on Wall Street, I'm like

i have to imagine those board room meetings are weird for you and i'm kinda surprised you're with him given the profession and background, but i'm not one to Oochie Wally One Mic someone for how they vote

exactly, the upper classes know what good eating is and they have easy financial and distribution access to the best agriculture, while everyone else gets supermarkets with trash produce. Being vegetarian or vegan is pretty easy for them too as a result. Truss, you will have no problem avoiding meat if you're feasting off Anson Mills barley salads with balsamic vinegar and organic roasted squash

For the poorer people in our society, the wealth of agriculture is not as available anymore. They have to eat shyt bread made from terrible denuded wheat, vegetables pumped full of water and NPK fertilizer, bacon injected with salt solution instead of the real real shyt from a smokehouse

 

[No1]

i have to imagine those board room meetings are weird for you and i'm kinda surprised you're with him given the profession and background, but i'm not one to Oochie Wally One Mic someone for how they vote

exactly, the upper classes know what good eating is and they have easy financial and distribution access to the best agriculture, while everyone else gets supermarkets with trash produce. Being vegetarian or vegan is pretty easy for them too as a result. Truss, you will have no problem avoiding meat if you're feasting off Anson Mills barley salads with balsamic vinegar and organic roasted squash

For the poorer people in our society, the wealth of agriculture is not as available anymore. They have to eat shyt bread made from terrible denuded wheat, vegetables pumped full of water and NPK fertilizer, bacon injected with salt solution instead of the real real shyt from a smokehouse

I actually don't think the vast majority of people at corporations are "bad" or doing anything immoral. I'm a hyper-pro union guy and I'm always defending management or pissing off some firefighter union. Just because I think you deserve the right to unionize doesn't mean I think the union is always being rational or that every employee didn't deserve to be fired. It also could be because I'm young, but I've never had a morally ambiguous case put in front of me. That could be intentional. If anything it'll be mixed like, "yeah your boss was probably sexist but you were lying about being injured and chilling in South Beach, sorry b :mjcry;"

Truth be told, the vast majority of people in their early 30s and 20s at big firms are liberals to varying degrees. Every elite school is like that. We just work for the check (100k+ in debt on average). And we're so far down the ladder we're almost never responsible for some heinous shyt. But yeah, I eat out a lot and the places people like tend to be high quality food. Good look on the PM.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

I actually don't think the vast majority of people at corporations are "bad" or doing anything immoral. I'm a hyper-pro union guy and I'm always defending management or pissing off some firefighter union. Just because I think you deserve the right to unionize doesn't mean I think the union is always being rational or that every employee didn't deserve to be fired. It also could be because I'm young, but I've never had a morally ambiguous case put in front of me. That could be intentional. If anything it'll be mixed like, "yeah your boss was probably sexist but you were lying about being injured and chilling in South Beach, sorry b :mjcry;"

Truth be told, the vast majority of people in their early 30s and 20s at big firms are liberals to varying degrees. Every elite school is like that. We just work for the check (100k+ in debt on average). And we're so far down the ladder we're almost never responsible for some heinous shyt. But yeah, I eat out a lot and the places people like tend to be high quality food. Good look on the PM.

Agreed. I moved away from Pharmaceuticals so i'm feeling less of that moral ether these days

Most people like you said are just showing up for a paycheck or arguing for their own interests. I'm pretty happy I went into tech, though there are plenty of selfish and evil c*nts there too.

No prob breh. I suggest learning how to cook a little bit, lawyers are busy of course but it's an invaluable skill

 

[Akata Man Bromo]

Interesting thread

 

[Skooby]

Ben & Jerry's will have vegan ice-dream:

Introducing Ben & Jerry’s Non-Dairy!
Ben & Jerry's launches vegan line

Chunky Monkey
Chocolate Fudge Brownie
P.B. & Cookies
Coffee Caramel Fudge

I just tried the PB & Cookies...and brehs it's

 

[tmonster]

But I like my chicken and steak. It has nothing to do with the science.

so did I at one point
but I decided that the health costs were not worth it
now I don't even miss it

that's the decision you have to make
you can do it

 

[Akata Man Bromo]

so did I at on point
but I decided that the health costs were not worth it
that's the decision you have to make

Im going to start with fish (that I catch myself) and grains, veggies, bean ect only... Its gonna be hard to stop seafood I love fishing.

 

[tmonster]

Im going to start with fish (that I catch myself) and grains, veggies, bean ect only... Its gonna be hard to stop seafood I love fishing.

fish ain't so bad for th health naturally but many now come from contaminated waters and their flesh have Mercury and other heavy metals
also watch out for pre-made fish where they use milk and other high cholesterol and saturated fat ingredients
used to love me some lemon basil tilapia though, still miss that a little

 

[Akata Man Bromo]

fish ain't so bad for th health naturally but many now come from contaminated waters and their flesh have Mercury and other heavy metals
also watch out for pre-made fish where they use milk and other high cholesterol and saturated fat ingredients
used to love me some lemon basil tilapia though, still miss that a little

I catch my fish right out of the Atlantic (south Florida living ) I crab too that might not be too healthy